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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 21. (Read 5352067 times)

legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Hi, from the last block that the pool found yesterday I have a reward for about 0.00015 BTC but I did not receive payment for it. Can you please tell me why?
The block payment transactions were just sent.
There was a delay while I had to do some code updates.
Visit discord for more information Smiley
member
Activity: 61
Merit: 40
 Hi, from the last block that the pool found yesterday I have a reward for about 0.00015 BTC but I did not receive payment for it. Can you please tell me why?
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490
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Yep just done that. Forgot I had Discord. Only downloaded it at the start of Covid Lockdown to do video chats with mates but never really got used to it. Just got to wait another 5 mins before posting the question. Cheers for the nudge in the right direction
Read the pinned msgs in the Discord kanopool channel on how to get a Miner role to help keep Discord from kicking you. Also once you are registered, bookmark the page. The invite link is just to get in to start there.

Yea just realised that. Been kicked twice now  Roll Eyes  I can see you guys in there but still waiting on the 10 min timer  Cheesy


EDIT:-

Always kicks me before the timer runs out  If someone could point him in my direction that would be appreciated as I am assuming he doesn't really respond to PM's too often. Cheers.

he just went to bed about 40 mins ago so will have to wait till he is up and back online.
hero member
Activity: 2534
Merit: 623
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Yep just done that. Forgot I had Discord. Only downloaded it at the start of Covid Lockdown to do video chats with mates but never really got used to it. Just got to wait another 5 mins before posting the question. Cheers for the nudge in the right direction
Read the pinned msgs in the Discord kanopool channel on how to get a Miner role to help keep Discord from kicking you. Also once you are registered, bookmark the page. The invite link is just to get in to start there.

Yea just realised that. Been kicked twice now  Roll Eyes  I can see you guys in there but still waiting on the 10 min timer  Cheesy


EDIT:-

Always kicks me before the timer runs out  If someone could point him in my direction that would be appreciated as I am assuming he doesn't really respond to PM's too often. Cheers.
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
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Yep just done that. Forgot I had Discord. Only downloaded it at the start of Covid Lockdown to do video chats with mates but never really got used to it. Just got to wait another 5 mins before posting the question. Cheers for the nudge in the right direction
Read the pinned msgs in the Discord kanopool channel on how to get a Miner role to help keep Discord from kicking you. Also once you are registered, bookmark the page. The invite link is just to get in to start there.
hero member
Activity: 2534
Merit: 623
What I wanted to know is whether my old account would still be stored in the system or would I need to create another one?  Can’t for the life of me remember my password but can provide email addresses. Thanks.

Just reset your password on the web site.  You can also create another account if you like.  It's up to you.

Because I have tried so many times to guess my old login, it says I need to "try again later". That was yesterday and still reads the same today  Huh

try to join the discord and ask Kano directly.

Yep just done that. Forgot I had Discord. Only downloaded it at the start of Covid Lockdown to do video chats with mates but never really got used to it. Just got to wait another 5 mins before posting the question. Cheers for the nudge in the right direction  Wink
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490
What I wanted to know is whether my old account would still be stored in the system or would I need to create another one?  Can’t for the life of me remember my password but can provide email addresses. Thanks.

Just reset your password on the web site.  You can also create another account if you like.  It's up to you.

Because I have tried so many times to guess my old login, it says I need to "try again later". That was yesterday and still reads the same today  Huh

try to join the discord and ask Kano directly.
hero member
Activity: 2534
Merit: 623
What I wanted to know is whether my old account would still be stored in the system or would I need to create another one?  Can’t for the life of me remember my password but can provide email addresses. Thanks.

Just reset your password on the web site.  You can also create another account if you like.  It's up to you.

Because I have tried so many times to guess my old login, it says I need to "try again later". That was yesterday and still reads the same today  Huh
legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
What I wanted to know is whether my old account would still be stored in the system or would I need to create another one?  Can’t for the life of me remember my password but can provide email addresses. Thanks.

Just reset your password on the web site.  You can also create another account if you like.  It's up to you.
hero member
Activity: 2534
Merit: 623
Hi everyone. Looking to switch over to here when bitminter shuts at the end of the month. Im only a hobby miner with some gekkos (1.8Th) so wont be winning any prizes or blocks for my contribution lol.

I did mine here a couple of years ago when I had some bigger gear but im in the UK and electricity prices suck so had to scale down. What I wanted to know is whether my old account would still be stored in the system or would I need to create another one?  Can’t for the life of me remember my password but can provide email addresses. Thanks.

legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
BLOCK by Canaan!
Woot!

Sweet!

Can't wait to see my name on that list Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I've moved my reply here since it belongs here (as does Phil's ...)

I know kano has had a very small next to nothing tx fee block.

I don't recall if it was under 30 seconds for sure.  I think the clock times were 9 or 17 seconds.  He was close to a fee less block.

The smallest blocks we've found were obviously those very shortly after another network block when the mempool was close to empty, but not empty.
There's always between 0 and 30 seconds of network time for more transactions to appear, so that's why it's VERY rare for work to be empty.

I would like to point out that lifetimes stats for luck on kano.is

are 101.17%   for 2429 blocks

...

My point is once BTC became valuable or more valuable

Kano.is has had really bad luck.
You are ignoring the CDF[Erl] and not applying any statistical results to your "really bad luck"
It isn't really bad luck, it's quite well within expected probabilities.

kano.is shows CDF[Erl] which states quite clearly how expected the results are:
Code:
Description            Time  Mean Diff%  MeanTx%  CDF[Erl]    Luck%   PAPPS%
Last 5 Blocks            40.1wks     135.99%  107.59%    0.8079   73.53%   78.41%
Last 10 Blocks           49.4wks     129.76%  105.51%    0.8326   77.06%   80.58%
Last 25 Blocks           62.9wks     106.75%  105.22%    0.6542   93.67%   97.68%
Last 50 Blocks           79.6wks     118.79%  103.28%    0.9032   84.18%   86.16%
Last 100 Blocks          91.2wks     107.33%  102.20%    0.7731   93.17%   94.36%
Last 250 Blocks         131.0wks     104.61%  104.48%    0.7699   95.60%   98.98%
Last 500 Blocks         153.8wks     108.21%  108.85%    0.9643   92.41%   99.68%
Last 1000 Blocks        191.8wks     104.15%  109.14%    0.9040   96.02%  103.85%
All - Last 2429 Blocks  295.8wks      98.85%  104.67%    0.2866  101.17%  104.94%

Also note that the PAPPS% reward for the last 500 blocks (the worst CDF[Erl] value) is 99.68% PPS
legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 1220
Hey Diesel,
Yes, all of us long-term kanopool miners lost months of shares when the N (number of shares) changed from 5Nd (5 times current network diff) to just 3 days some time back.  Kano explained why, and with your miners off you lost all your shares after 3 days once that change happened.
Bummer, but it is the way if a smaller pool is to survive.

Well that sux.   Guess I should have consulted here before disconnecting; but then again it would not have changed my decision - the 220V circuit  powering the miners had to go for another piece of equipment and offices were being added and the fan noise would have been unacceptable.   So I didn't really have a choice.  I could have spun up another location but my miners were already only marginally profitable under "normal" luck so start-up expenses would have tilted everything back to unprofitable and it would not have been worth it.

Guess I am just out 800-900$


Not really.

Assuming 5ND was kept instead of changed to 3 days in Jan:

Say you had 54TH mining end of Feb, and turned them off March 1st, ramp down time was around 146 days in Jan, it would have been more in March, but for arguments sake lets keep it the same.

Block was found on 2th May, which is 81 days after you turned off your miners. So by then you would have ramped down by at least 55% or roughly 24TH.

Pool N avg was 7.45PH when the block was found and the block was worth 8.31423879 BTC

So your pool reward percentage would have been 0.024/7.45*100 which equals 0.322147651%

That's 8.31423879 x 0.322147651% or 0.026784125 BTC

BTC price was aprox $9750 so the most you could have lost was pretty much $261

If you would have kept mining the entire time after the switch to 3 days you would have made 0.05356825 or around $522 when the block was found in May





legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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Are you lifting the firmware restrictions to solo miners?
Well, if you mean illegal firmware violating the cgminer license, put out by hackers on this forum who charge ridiculous fees ...
why would I be happy about supporting people using that?
Of course not.

As for rentals, or that 'other' legal firmware,
that's part of the reason why it's not ready yet ... though that part is complete, but requires the rest of the solo code to be complete of course.

The new system completely automatically disconnects and bans miners when they connect, and can also ban their IP permanently.
Some of the banning in the past was automatic and some required me to trigger it manually when I checked things.
The new one is fully automatic, but it doesn't replace the old one, just adds another method to do it.

It also has an option in those rules to allow solo users for some of the rules.
If you want to risk using some rental source, it will allow you to do that for some rental sources on solo.

It also means I am able to more easily detect issues related to where different types of mining are coming from and what they are using.
i.e. KDB now includes reports of it immediately upon request.

CPU/GPU will always be banned since they are a waste of any pool's resources, and you'd require millions of them to match a single miner ...
Edit: even a tiny NewPac USB miner is over 1000 times faster than a CPU and over 100 times faster than a GPU

Edit2: the next update also includes the correction of the pool block difficulties, since the pool has now got so small.
Using the TotalDiff/NetworkDiff is incorrect.
While in the past, we were a much larger pool, and this made negligible difference and on only a very few blocks that crossed difficulty boundaries, over the past year this has been clearly incorrect and noticeable (like all the other small pools has for years ...)
With the update, blocks in the last year will be updated also, and the new code (in testing) already handles this correctly.
It is actually a major issue in calculating the value correctly also even using the largest language double value available in C, due to lack of precision.
Using a running total also gives rise to incorrect values, however, as has always been the case here, KDB shows an estimate first when the block is found, but re-calculates it with an update. The new estimate is calculated correctly but contains the small running precision issue, that gets larger as the number of shares increases, however the re-calculation resolves that by grouping results within shifts, within difficulty ranges, before doing the calculation.
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1569
CLEAN non GPL infringing code made in Rust lang
It will just be an account setting that can be set on a band new, unused account.
You wont be able to swap things back and forward - ever.
All the mining will be the same - same miner settings - same HIGH quality and PROPERLY managed servers.
No lost MULTIPLE blocks due to NEGLIGENCE like the Derp pools.
Same fee as the rest of the pool 0.9%
It will simply be, if you find a block and the account is flagged as solo, it's a solo reward.
KDB is of course full of up coming changes about this to separate everything - hash rate, rewards, finder type etc.

I've listed all the details in discord a few months back, and will post them here when it's ready - prolly in a few weeks.

Now back to working on this payout+dust today for all the current miners ...

Are you lifting the firmware restrictions to solo miners?
hero member
Activity: 1610
Merit: 538
I'm in BTC XTC
Hey Diesel,
Yes, all of us long-term kanopool miners lost months of shares when the N (number of shares) changed from 5Nd (5 times current network diff) to just 3 days some time back.  Kano explained why, and with your miners off you lost all your shares after 3 days once that change happened.
Bummer, but it is the way if a smaller pool is to survive.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I've had a few PM questions about this, so I'll post it here (again) and reply with this link if anyone else asks:

Firstly, this is a PPLNS pool.
It means that every time we find a block, the reward is distributed to all shares in the last N

However, as discussed extensively back in January in Discord and a little in here also, from January, I changed the N to be 3 days.

In the past the pool N was 5Nd which was 5 times the network difficulty.
Alas, with a (now) small pool, no one would get their expected reward for something close to a year when they join.
Which no one in their right mind would do that.

As I stated many times, this change affects negatively (very quickly) those who stop mining or leave the pool.
Solution: don't do that Smiley

P.S. this of course also means that the badly named and misunderstood 'ramp up' is also only 3 days.
Get back in and you'll be back to expecting full reward per block in only 3 days.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490
I think he might be asking if, as miners, can we tell? like when we look on the list of miners (stats page) can we see who is solo vs pool - that way when a block is found and is on the blocks page - it is easily confirmed that the miner is solo or pool.

I have one question - which you probably most likely answered and I either forgot or missed it - the pool hash rate, will that reflect only "pool" miners or will it include all accounts? or will there be two sets of stats - one for the pool miners and one for the solo miners?
Discussion when it's finished and ready, I'm really only replying since someone seems to think I'm trying to rip people off Tongue

lol i dont think he thinks you are, more like looking for a way to show that you are not. like proof - rather than taking your word. he may not have history with you to yet trust you. I think those that do have history though do trust you - especially with no empty blocks and no blocks lost.

I have lost blocks on other pools but never here.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I think he might be asking if, as miners, can we tell? like when we look on the list of miners (stats page) can we see who is solo vs pool - that way when a block is found and is on the blocks page - it is easily confirmed that the miner is solo or pool.

I have one question - which you probably most likely answered and I either forgot or missed it - the pool hash rate, will that reflect only "pool" miners or will it include all accounts? or will there be two sets of stats - one for the pool miners and one for the solo miners?
Discussion when it's finished and ready, I'm really only replying since someone seems to think I'm trying to rip people off Tongue
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