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Newko

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Quote from: DPoS2 on January 22, 2018, 06:36:00 PM

Quote from: kano on January 22, 2018, 06:24:28 PM

Quote from: Jeremiah1610 on January 22, 2018, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Sphere360 on January 22, 2018, 04:42:02 PM

This may seem like a dumb question, but is there somewhere I can look on the site that will show we are getting close to a block or we don't know until it's found? The way Kano worded his response about getting to 100%, I feel like maybe I am missing something. Trying to better understand it all. Thank you for shedding light.

On the Kano.is site in the top left next to shares is a %. That is the expected work to find a block, at 100% a block is expected. How far over or under 100% is the diff%.

Yeah but there's a (probably not) fun point to understand about that %

History has no effect on future luck.
But this actually means something else also:
The next block is always 'expected' to be 100% from 'now' not 100% from the last block.

A simple example to explain that would be:
If I run a pool and then when it gets to 90% Diff, shut down the pool, and start a new pool.
Will that new pool be expected to find a block in the first 10% Diff?
No, there's a bunch of CDF stats about the likelihood of that, but the expected next block, for the new pool is 100% at the point when it first starts.

The reason this makes sense is that: Luck is a measurement of the past - but luck plays no part in what you 'expect' to happen.

So when some other pool says "Hey we're close to 100% we should find a block soon" then you know to stay away from that pool if the pool OP doesn't correct that false statement.

People like to hang out near Roulette tables and after seeing 10 reds go big on Black but it is still the same odds each spin

Indeed
https://www.caesars.com/casino-gaming-blog/latest-posts/table-games/roulette/gambling-myth-monte-carlo-fallacy

manduul

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Alright then, mining on! :p

Thrash

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 22, 2018, 07:26:36 PM

Quote from: manduul on January 22, 2018, 06:56:24 PM

Guys, I have a 13.5 Th/s S9. But since I changed settings to sg.kano and shut the window of the balcony a little bit it's now always over 14 Th/s. Temps are 67, 60, 60 and GH/s avg is 14,008.

Is my miner doing too much and killing its longevity or it's completely normal..? I used to keep the balcony window wide open and temps were like 60, 50, 50 or something like that and it always hashed around 13.5 Th/s. Kano.is website is registering my miner's hash rate at around 14 to 15k.

Thanks guys.

Nothing to worry about.. you're fine.

Sounds like a good problem to me. I have one S9 that always runs hotter than the others. It never gets below 70C but seems plenty happy. It has a Nidec fan, the rest have Y.L. fans. I think I may change out the fans before summer and see if it helps.

Mine on!

bigolin

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Quote from: HagssFIN on January 22, 2018, 07:26:36 PM

Quote from: manduul on January 22, 2018, 06:56:24 PM

Guys, I have a 13.5 Th/s S9. But since I changed settings to sg.kano and shut the window of the balcony a little bit it's now always over 14 Th/s. Temps are 67, 60, 60 and GH/s avg is 14,008.

Is my miner doing too much and killing its longevity or it's completely normal..? I used to keep the balcony window wide open and temps were like 60, 50, 50 or something like that and it always hashed around 13.5 Th/s. Kano.is website is registering my miner's hash rate at around 14 to 15k.

Thanks guys.

Nothing to worry about.. you're fine.

I agree, you have nothing to be concerned about with what you have described.

MINE ON!

HagssFIN

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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.

Quote from: manduul on January 22, 2018, 06:56:24 PM

Guys, I have a 13.5 Th/s S9. But since I changed settings to sg.kano and shut the window of the balcony a little bit it's now always over 14 Th/s. Temps are 67, 60, 60 and GH/s avg is 14,008.

Is my miner doing too much and killing its longevity or it's completely normal..? I used to keep the balcony window wide open and temps were like 60, 50, 50 or something like that and it always hashed around 13.5 Th/s. Kano.is website is registering my miner's hash rate at around 14 to 15k.

Thanks guys.

Nothing to worry about.. you're fine.

manduul

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Guys, I have a 13.5 Th/s S9. But since I changed settings to sg.kano and shut the window of the balcony a little bit it's now always over 14 Th/s. Temps are 67, 60, 60 and GH/s avg is 14,008.

Is my miner doing too much and killing its longevity or it's completely normal..? I used to keep the balcony window wide open and temps were like 60, 50, 50 or something like that and it always hashed around 13.5 Th/s. Kano.is website is registering my miner's hash rate at around 14 to 15k.

Thanks guys.

DPoS2

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Quote from: kano on January 22, 2018, 06:24:28 PM

Quote from: Jeremiah1610 on January 22, 2018, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Sphere360 on January 22, 2018, 04:42:02 PM

This may seem like a dumb question, but is there somewhere I can look on the site that will show we are getting close to a block or we don't know until it's found? The way Kano worded his response about getting to 100%, I feel like maybe I am missing something. Trying to better understand it all. Thank you for shedding light.

On the Kano.is site in the top left next to shares is a %. That is the expected work to find a block, at 100% a block is expected. How far over or under 100% is the diff%.

Yeah but there's a (probably not) fun point to understand about that %

History has no effect on future luck.
But this actually means something else also:
The next block is always 'expected' to be 100% from 'now' not 100% from the last block.

A simple example to explain that would be:
If I run a pool and then when it gets to 90% Diff, shut down the pool, and start a new pool.
Will that new pool be expected to find a block in the first 10% Diff?
No, there's a bunch of CDF stats about the likelihood of that, but the expected next block, for the new pool is 100% at the point when it first starts.

The reason this makes sense is that: Luck is a measurement of the past - but luck plays no part in what you 'expect' to happen.

So when some other pool says "Hey we're close to 100% we should find a block soon" then you know to stay away from that pool if the pool OP doesn't correct that false statement.

People like to hang out near Roulette tables and after seeing 10 reds go big on Black but it is still the same odds each spin

kano

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Quote from: Jeremiah1610 on January 22, 2018, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Sphere360 on January 22, 2018, 04:42:02 PM

This may seem like a dumb question, but is there somewhere I can look on the site that will show we are getting close to a block or we don't know until it's found? The way Kano worded his response about getting to 100%, I feel like maybe I am missing something. Trying to better understand it all. Thank you for shedding light.

On the Kano.is site in the top left next to shares is a %. That is the expected work to find a block, at 100% a block is expected. How far over or under 100% is the diff%.

Yeah but there's a (probably not) fun point to understand about that %

History has no effect on future luck.
But this actually means something else also:
The next block is always 'expected' to be 100% from 'now' not 100% from the last block.

A simple example to explain that would be:
If I run a pool and then when it gets to 90% Diff, shut down the pool, and start a new pool.
Will that new pool be expected to find a block in the first 10% Diff?
No, there's a bunch of CDF stats about the likelihood of that, but the expected next block, for the new pool is 100% at the point when it first starts.

The reason this makes sense is that: Luck is a measurement of the past - but luck plays no part in what you 'expect' to happen.

So when some other pool says "Hey we're close to 100% we should find a block soon" then you know to stay away from that pool if the pool OP doesn't correct that false statement.

Jeremiah1610

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Quote from: Sphere360 on January 22, 2018, 04:42:02 PM

This may seem like a dumb question, but is there somewhere I can look on the site that will show we are getting close to a block or we don't know until it's found? The way Kano worded his response about getting to 100%, I feel like maybe I am missing something. Trying to better understand it all. Thank you for shedding light.

On the Kano.is site in the top left next to shares is a %. That is the expected work to find a block, at 100% a block is expected. How far over or under 100% is the diff%.

rifleman74

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4 s9's 2 821's

Time to find this next block. CRACKALACKA!

MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!

VRobb

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I'm in BTC XTC

Indeed, kanosan's pool has a 5Nd, so any shares beyond the 5Nd would be lost. I see someone's been paying attention, gold star! Cheesy

Tnaa97

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Mine on!!

Quote from: Thrash on January 22, 2018, 04:30:50 PM

Quote from: VRobb on January 22, 2018, 04:16:46 PM

Close, replace "long" with "many shares" and you'll be spot-on!
Mine On! Cool

You are correct, it has been edited.

Now let's find another block.

For some reason I thought that the shares we mine may belong to multiple blocks and if we mined 9X the number of shares usually required to find 1 block, when the 1st block is found the remaining shares may at some time in the future be part of the upcoming blocks. Is that right or are the remaining shares just dropped in the can?

Sphere360

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This may seem like a dumb question, but is there somewhere I can look on the site that will show we are getting close to a block or we don't know until it's found? The way Kano worded his response about getting to 100%, I feel like maybe I am missing something. Trying to better understand it all. Thank you for shedding light.

Sphere360

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That makes a lot more sense. Thank you!

Next block, here we come!

Thrash

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Quote from: VRobb on January 22, 2018, 04:16:46 PM

Close, replace "long" with "many shares" and you'll be spot-on!
Mine On! Cool

You are correct, it has been edited.

Now let's find another block.

VRobb

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I'm in BTC XTC

Close, replace "long" with "many shares" and you'll be spot-on!
Mine On! Cool

Thrash

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Maybe I can help answering this one. If we find a block at 100% we are neither lucky nor unlucky. That is statistics.

If we find a block at 200% it means it took us twice as many shares as statistics say it would.

If we find a block at 50% it means we took half as many shares as statistics would indicate.

A 928% block means it took 9.28 times as many shares as the statistical expectation for the hash power at that time.

You have to look at it over a period of time in order to determine what is happening, not just one block.

If we are "lucky" we might be able to beat the statistical expectation for a period of time but it will eventually come back to roughly the 100%.

Hope that is more helpful than confusing.

As the old saying goes "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." We just need to do the best we can and that is why I am here. I feel Kano takes good care of the pool which helps us be prepared as possible.

Mine on!

VRobb

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That's % of diff we reached when the block finally cracked. Shocked

Expected is, of course, 100%. Wink

Sphere360

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Kano,

You said:

It's there on the web site - 928.788% - in October.
Time isn't very relevant - the % is what matters.

Is the explanation of the % on the website somewhere? Can you link it here?

I don't want to ask anyone to explain this if I can read it.

Thanks a lot!

2tights

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I like big BITS and I cannot lie.

Thanks Cobra!

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