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I know the payout will change based on the block size but once you are fully "ramped up" it would be close to 0.009.
One of the senior members posted a note that he got 0.000831397/TH on the last block (which was a big one at about 22 BTC).
That would mean a single S9 (that was fully ramped up) should have received about 13.5 *  0.000831397 = 0.011224 BTC, right?

Assuming a more normal block size of about 16 it would be closer to about 0.00060/TH which would be 0.0081BTC for an S9.
Using a worst case of 8 blocks a month that is an estimate of somewhere between 0.06 - 0.08 BTC per month for each S9.

Two caveats:  
   I am a newbie so I acknowledge I could be very wrong - please let me know if I am since I really want to learn. (I'll correct or delete my post if I am wrong)
   There are lots of variables here that affect the numbers: difficulty, pool hash rate, luck, etc.

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I don't know if kano can hear me but please look into my account please as I have not been paid in ages, I tallied up all the small amounts over the last few months and I should have been paid a few times, nothing since last year has actually made it to my account!
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I am pretty sure you will not get .01 with an S9 only.

500907   25/Dec 00:25   16.01272351   9.379T   408hr 46m 16s   27.37PHs   0.05%   4.645G   13.56THs   0.00793087
500622   23/Dec 01:54   22.67465393   9.370T   409hr 52m 47s   27.27PHs   0.05%   4.662G   13.57THs   0.01128094
500096   19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522   9.379T   431hr 40m 3s   25.92PHs   0.05%   4.909G   13.57THs   0.00882707
498508   10/Dec 03:39   17.43860143   7.958T   413hr 27m 45s   22.96PHs   0.06%   4.713G   13.60THs   0.01032803
498476   9/Dec 23:27   14.22993506   7.956T   414hr 20m 6s   22.91PHs   0.06%   4.724G   13.60THs   0.00844936
497605   4/Dec 20:12   13.93544048   6.747T   378hr 45m 43s   21.25PHs   0.06%   4.316G   13.60THs   0.00891564
497299   3/Dec 03:56   13.95289004   6.742T   375hr 51m 3s   21.40PHs   0.06%   4.290G   13.62THs   0.00887919
497081   1/Dec 20:00   13.51217263   6.739T   372hr 37m 11s   21.58PHs   0.06%   4.252G   13.61THs   0.00852612
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Thanks for the feedback... Truly? My S9 (13.5 Th/s), if fully ramped up could have pulled in near 0.01 BTC payout? So in a month where the pool finds 8 blocks I could be looking at 0.08 and 0.35 on a month when we find 35 blocks? I know this also depends on the block value and the total hashing power of the pool at the time but this is extremely appealing. Am I reading into your reply wrong?

I am pretty sure you will not get .01 with an S9 only.
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I am in the same position as you with 1 S9.  I was with another pool and if you are discussing block 500861, then it is the one you are at.  I have details of every block that one has found since it began.  

So for block 500861 - there have been 4 more since this one so far.  Someday soon I hope to get real time BTC per Day Per Th/s over the past 30 days.  Dont have that coded up yet.  Obviously with the smaller pool, luck can get unlucky and you'll  see a bigger hit on your monthly proceeds.  But it also can go the other way and you'll get one or two extra blocks in a month.  In any case, in our pool, the 19.35 BTC block would have been somewhere near .01 BTC payout.  We just hit one that was 22.67465393 BTC and my take was .01128094.  So as you can tell, it is almost 100 times the payout so that does help for the slow times.
Thanks for the feedback... Truly? My S9 (13.5 Th/s), if fully ramped up could have pulled in near 0.01 BTC payout? So in a month where the pool finds 8 blocks I could be looking at 0.08 and 0.35 on a month when we find 35 blocks? I know this also depends on the block value and the total hashing power of the pool at the time but this is extremely appealing. Am I reading into your reply wrong?

I guess the hard part for any of us is knowing the miner is running 24x7 and the tendency is to want to see steady/reasonable money coming in. It's challenging for someone like me doing this for only a month now and bought 4 S9s to make the right call while balancing it all out. I have 1 S9 now, one coming tomorrow, one end of January and the fourth in late February. The first 3 weren't supposed to be delivered until late January but they've been shipping them early. Guess there is hope I won't have to wait until February to have all 4 running.

Side note... Complete newbie issue here but at one point I kind of dreamed I could run these at home. As it turns out I am renting and my landlord won't let me upgrade the power. I was going to upgrade the box and run 3-220V 30 amp outlets to the room where I'm running one now. I also live in Phoenix, AZ so I guess it's for the best since summer time would make it difficult to run them, vent them outside and keep the room cool. I'm actually going to be putting them into a data center I found for a reasonable price (for a data center). So finding a pool that pays good is the difference between me loosing most of the profits from one machine just to pay the monthly to a better ROI. Quarter rack ($125), 2-208V circuits ($449 each), miscellaneous fees for IP/bandwidth and then the cost of PDUs/cords/Firewall/Ethernet cords/etc.

Thanks again.
You read it right...  somewhere near .01BTC per block with an S9 and pool hash rate around 20 to 25PH.  Many of them were closer to .009 with the 13 to 14BTC block reward.

Yes, home mining is really an issue if you rent - or have a spouse that likes quiet!  Also, if I have my math right, a three phase 30A 208V can easily run 5 and likely 6 S9's on that one circuit.
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If I mine on a smaller pool that may not find as many blocks are the rewards really large enough to make up for the times when the pool is not finding the blocks? I'm just a little guy right now with 1 Antminer S9 and 3 more on the way. I'm learning a lot from everyone and think the kano pool and miners are dedicated, loyal and they stay for a reason so is this the case?

An example for my current pool...

We get a block that's 19.35259244 BTC. Took 00:34:59 to process it and my take was 0.00016099 BTC.
I am in the same position as you with 1 S9.  I was with another pool and if you are discussing block 500861, then it is the one you are at.  I have details of every block that one has found since it began.  

So for block 500861 - there have been 4 more since this one so far.  Someday soon I hope to get real time BTC per Day Per Th/s over the past 30 days.  Dont have that coded up yet.  Obviously with the smaller pool, luck can get unlucky and you'll  see a bigger hit on your monthly proceeds.  But it also can go the other way and you'll get one or two extra blocks in a month.  In any case, in our pool, the 19.35 BTC block would have been somewhere near .01 BTC payout.  We just hit one that was 22.67465393 BTC and my take was .01128094.  So as you can tell, it is almost 100 times the payout so that does help for the slow times.

Thanks for the feedback... Truly? My S9 (13.5 Th/s), if fully ramped up could have pulled in near 0.01 BTC payout? So in a month where the pool finds 8 blocks I could be looking at 0.08 and 0.35 on a month when we find 35 blocks? I know this also depends on the block value and the total hashing power of the pool at the time but this is extremely appealing. Am I reading into your reply wrong?

I guess the hard part for any of us is knowing the miner is running 24x7 and the tendency is to want to see steady/reasonable money coming in. It's challenging for someone like me doing this for only a month now and bought 4 S9s to make the right call while balancing it all out. I have 1 S9 now, one coming tomorrow, one end of January and the fourth in late February. The first 3 weren't supposed to be delivered until late January but they've been shipping them early. Guess there is hope I won't have to wait until February to have all 4 running.

Side note... Complete newbie issue here but at one point I kind of dreamed I could run these at home. As it turns out I am renting and my landlord won't let me upgrade the power. I was going to upgrade the box and run 3-220V 30 amp outlets to the room where I'm running one now. I also live in Phoenix, AZ so I guess it's for the best since summer time would make it difficult to run them, vent them outside and keep the room cool. I'm actually going to be putting them into a data center I found for a reasonable price (for a data center). So finding a pool that pays good is the difference between me loosing most of the profits from one machine just to pay the monthly to a better ROI. Quarter rack ($125), 2-208V circuits ($449 each), miscellaneous fees for IP/bandwidth and then the cost of PDUs/cords/Firewall/Ethernet cords/etc.

Thanks again.
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Hey Kano, is there a node on the West coast?

The main stratum in in Vegas...that's close to the west coast Smiley

That probably explains why it is the fastest for me so far. Sounds good.
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Time has no effect on you finding a block.
Each hash you do has the same chance of finding a block - be it 1 second after the last network block or 1 hour.
Kano, have you ever thought about the possibility of "reverse" mining?  Where you randomly pick a final hash (probably the wrong terminology) with enough zeros in front, lock the time in, pick a group of transactions that are a little lower on the list so they stay for a while and then do a validation with each nonce - perhaps randomly selected but never duplicated.  I guess the previous block hash is included, so once a block is found, then everything would have to start over.  It is still luck, but seems that beating up a single answer may offer an answer quicker than totally "heads or tails" with this difficulty level.  In any case, I have no clue if the network even allows the time to be locked in for multiple seconds or even minutes, but it would seem plausible since computer dates/times can vary.

With modern ASICs, incrementing the nonce only would run out of possible solutions in seconds. Modern mining adjusts things in the coinbase transaction and merkle root to have basically unlimited space. (although kano can probably explain this better than I could, since he likely wrote that code.)
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Hey Kano, is there a node on the West coast?

The main stratum in in Vegas...that's close to the west coast Smiley
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Time has no effect on you finding a block.
Each hash you do has the same chance of finding a block - be it 1 second after the last network block or 1 hour.
Kano, have you ever thought about the possibility of "reverse" mining?  Where you randomly pick a final hash (probably the wrong terminology) with enough zeros in front, lock the time in, pick a group of transactions that are a little lower on the list so they stay for a while and then do a validation with each nonce - perhaps randomly selected but never duplicated.  I guess the previous block hash is included, so once a block is found, then everything would have to start over.  It is still luck, but seems that beating up a single answer may offer an answer quicker than totally "heads or tails" with this difficulty level.  In any case, I have no clue if the network even allows the time to be locked in for multiple seconds or even minutes, but it would seem plausible since computer dates/times can vary.
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Hey Kano, is there a node on the West coast?
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Be aware... An X11 (DASH) pool I am in just had 6 Orphan blocks in a row! - something fishy is going on out there.  Huh
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Hi,

may i know how does that block percentage rewards? is it will earn the percentage of the block found?

example block reward 16 BTC, my percentage 0.025%.. so i will earn 0.4 BTC after ramped up?

Thanks
No, it's only your % of all shares submitted, since the last block we found.
(and as mentioned above it's 0.004 Smiley)

You could consider it in the ball park of what to expect if you have been mining for 5Nd, but it's not the 5Nd used for the payout calculation, so it can be quite different e.g. if the pool hash rate or your hash rate changed over the 5Nd (which the pool always does)

Your block reward is based on your % of shares submitted in the last 5Nd of shares up to when the block was found - which the last block is usually only a small % of that.
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Network:     55m 1s (501394)  WOW, a 55 minute block and counting.

that is good, we dont want the difficulty to go up Smiley
That means nothing moves within the Bitcoin Network for and Hour? WOW

A 63 minute and change block. Incredible. Whoever found that one, I bet it was loaded with fees.

Edit: Nope it wasn't VIABTC found it and it only had  13.81417276 BTC

Interesting.
OH, I am not the only one watching who wins blocks?
You picked one block prior to the long block...

It was BTC.com and 23.26222679 BTC as reward..  I Cried.  I should of been solo-ing...  With that long I actually stood a chance.. well, maybe just a bit. :-)

Time has no effect on you finding a block.
Each hash you do has the same chance of finding a block - be it 1 second after the last network block or 1 hour.
legendary
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in the stats Kano - "shifts"

what does "Inv Diff" actually mean?  and why would I get some zeros here while actively mining?

Thanks - usukan
Your invalids you submitted during that shift, as a total Diff of invalids.
The lower the better Smiley

.. as opposed to the Diff you submitted which is "Your Diff"
The higher the better Smiley
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Hi,

may i know how does that block percentage rewards? is it will earn the percentage of the block found?

example block reward 16 BTC, my percentage 0.025%.. so i will earn 0.4 BTC after ramped up?

Thanks
No.

Simple math.

0.025% equals 0.00025 as a decimal number.

0.00025 times 16 is 0.004
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Hi,

may i know how does that block percentage rewards? is it will earn the percentage of the block found?

example block reward 16 BTC, my percentage 0.025%.. so i will earn 0.4 BTC after ramped up?

Thanks
jr. member
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Network:     55m 1s (501394)  WOW, a 55 minute block and counting.

that is good, we dont want the difficulty to go up Smiley
That means nothing moves within the Bitcoin Network for and Hour? WOW

A 63 minute and change block. Incredible. Whoever found that one, I bet it was loaded with fees.

Edit: Nope it wasn't VIABTC found it and it only had  13.81417276 BTC

Interesting.
OH, I am not the only one watching who wins blocks?
You picked one block prior to the long block...

It was BTC.com and 23.26222679 BTC as reward..  I Cried.  I should of been solo-ing...  With that long I actually stood a chance.. well, maybe just a bit. :-)
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Activity: 210
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Network:     55m 1s (501394)  WOW, a 55 minute block and counting.

that is good, we dont want the difficulty to go up Smiley
That means nothing moves within the Bitcoin Network for and Hour? WOW

A 63 minute and change block. Incredible. Whoever found that one, I bet it was loaded with fees.

Edit: Nope it wasn't VIABTC found it and it only had  13.81417276 BTC

Interesting.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Network:     55m 1s (501394)  WOW, a 55 minute block and counting.

that is good, we dont want the difficulty to go up Smiley
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