Karnataka ( A state in India ) they introduced bill in assembly to ban o.gamblin

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I can agree with you here. We have seen countries totally banning drugs and yet, they still have drug users. So same with this problem, even if their government totally banned gambling, some of these gamblers will find a way how to get around this government protocol. And underground gambling may soon arise instead. Gambling is already part of humanity. So maybe better regulate it rather than ban it. At least the government is getting something from it.

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I agree too, probably regulating and making sure some people don't abuse when providing gambling services (like with addicted machines that don't pay out a prize or whatever) would be a way.

the thing is that the more I see the more I realize government is really inefficient in doing things

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Quote from: traderethereum on September 28, 2021, 01:07:16 AM

Maybe their income from the local casino is reduced because online gambling has become popular, especially in this pandemic.
So they decide to make that law to force online gambling but if they do not do the same with the offline casino, that will not work because people will still play gambling and go to the offline casino.
But I do not think that migrating to other countries can solve this problem as we do not know the conditions of that country.
So there is no other way for us just to follow their law.

If this is the real reason for the ban, then I won't be surprised. In India, a lot of things are banned every now and then, just because they don't align with the business interests of the politicians. Take the vaccination against COVID 19 as an example. Sputnik V applied for EUA almost 7 months ago. But still, they are not allowed full access, because the ruling party politicians are having a business interest in the competitor (COVAXIN, manufactured by Bharat Biotech). Sputnik V is having an efficacy of 92% compared to 60% for CoVaxin, but the Indian government has so far only allowed trial vaccination with Sputnik V.

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What do you think about it ?
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Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

India is not an islamic country, so that's sad to read this kind of news from authorities of this country. But I think they don't do it for the sake of morality but simply to redirect funds from online gambling games to their national gambling games like horse races and lottery, it's just an hypocritical measure in my humble opinion.

Maybe their income from the local casino is reduced because online gambling has become popular, especially in this pandemic.
So they decide to make that law to force online gambling but if they do not do the same with the offline casino, that will not work because people will still play gambling and go to the offline casino.
But I do not think that migrating to other countries can solve this problem as we do not know the conditions of that country.
So there is no other way for us just to follow their law.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 27, 2021, 06:29:20 PM

Online gambling only?

If that's the agreement then maybe Karnataka wants the gambling revenue just to be focused on their physical casinos there. If the state is really in need of revenue as India itself got heavily affected by Covid-19, then they plan very well to solve it. Online gambling becomes a trendy activity while being lockdown as physical casinos are close. But if that applies to all gambling, online or physical, then maybe that state now put an end to any gambling activities.

You are not fully understanding the reason why they came up with such a law. In the neighboring state of Goa, gambling is legal. But many of the casinos have witnessed a decline in revenues for the last one and half years as a result of the COVID pandemic. The casinos are actually blaming online gambling. There are rumors that a number politicians in Karnataka own casinos in Goa. And this is what prompted the government to come up with such a stupid law. But I don't think that such idiotic laws will be taken in to account by the courts.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

Online gambling only?

If that's the agreement then maybe Karnataka wants the gambling revenue just to be focused on their physical casinos there. If the state is really in need of revenue as India itself got heavily affected by Covid-19, then they plan very well to solve it. Online gambling becomes a trendy activity while being lockdown as physical casinos are close. But if that applies to all gambling, online or physical, then maybe that state now put an end to any gambling activities.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

Prior to implementing that law, I think that went in a legal process and there are reasons and factors they looked at why create a law about that. I don't know the gambling situation there but maybe it's really worst and the negative effect of it are now devastating the lives of others.

If the local government there doesn't benefit to gambling, while at the same time, just wrecking people's lives there, it's a good action that they now ban gambling in that area. Legal or illegal gambling, everything is covered.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

^[snip]
What do you think about it ?
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Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

India is not an islamic country, so that's sad to read this kind of news from authorities of this country. But I think they don't do it for the sake of morality but simply to redirect funds from online gambling games to their national gambling games like horse races and lottery, it's just an hypocritical measure in my humble opinion.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

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What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

Well for now --people of Karnataka must follow this introduced bill to avoid punishment, this is too strict and I won't risk my life and be in jail just to gamble. I like the other thread where I was commented, they have a campaign of educating people towards gambling, and instead of banning it, just accept and educate your people for the possible risk that they perhaps encounter. That is the law that we must follow, you can migrate into other countries that dont have banned gambling. But I think this is not new, most Islamic states where gambling was strictly prohibited because this is against their religion and part of their religious belief.

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Quote from: yazher on September 27, 2021, 04:04:17 AM

My question is, why are they only banning one state? because the people out there have high ratings of addiction to gambling or there might be another reason that they don't tell us about. Anyway if this is just a step for something like a drill before putting it as one of their law in the entire country then they're making some good steps here by choosing the most affected state in their country. The other state should be ready as well because this kind of bill will be introduced to their state as well.

Gambling is banned in almost all states of India with the exception of three states. This law introduces amendments that toughen penalties for gambling and I think that this bill is a pilot so it is not immediately introduced throughout the country.

" It provides for enhancing punishment for gambling to wean citizens away from the vice of gambling, extending to three years and fine up to Rs one lakh.

It said the punishment for the first offence would be six months imprisonment and fine of Rs 10,000, for the second, one year imprisonment and fine of Rs 15,000, and for the third offence, 18 months imprisonment and fine of Rs 20,000. Persons aiding or abetting such online gaming would also be punished, it added. "

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/

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Quote from: nurilham on September 27, 2021, 04:49:53 AM

actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

There may be countries and territories that ban gambling. But how many of them actually punish the gamblers? If they are punishing the organizers, then I can understand that. They are profiting out of illegal business and that goes against the prevailing laws. But punishing ordinary gamblers is a bit too far. It is just authoritarian encroachment in one's personal choice. I am not sure whether someone can be punished for just participating in gambling. Maybe a monetary fine of $10 or $20 can be justified. But definitely not a prison term.

Violators can be held liable depending on the Bill that surrounds the prohibition in gambling. Just like in Dubai, even the slightest mistake could make a person liable to a hefty fine or imprisonment depending on the degree on of your infraction.

With the bill being introduced in India, I do suspect that their Congress would make the necessary adjustments as to how they would punish violators of such. Completely prohibiting gambling on one state could bring more harm than good (economically) since it gives such state the funding that their government needs for the improvement of the general welfare.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 27, 2021, 04:30:23 AM

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Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

There are certain formalities before the government agencies can request that sort of information from the internet provider. So they can't just randomly check the internet access of some guy who is waging $10 or $20 in online gambling. And for search warrant, the requirements are even stricter. The judge or some other higher ranking official needs to agree to the finding that there is a reasonable suspicion that the individual is engaged in illegal activity. Anyway these sort of stupid laws will be struck down by the courts once someone files a PIL.

You are right. So from that, it is better to play safe and not use a VPN for something that can break our law and not get investigated by the police. Maybe if the rule is applied, people will not touch online gambling but can play offline gambling in a secret place without police knowing. As we know, once a gambler feels the excitement of playing gambling, he will try to come back in the other days and if he can not play online gambling, he will search for the local place to play gambling.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 27, 2021, 04:49:53 AM

actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

There may be countries and territories that ban gambling. But how many of them actually punish the gamblers? If they are punishing the organizers, then I can understand that. They are profiting out of illegal business and that goes against the prevailing laws. But punishing ordinary gamblers is a bit too far. It is just authoritarian encroachment in one's personal choice. I am not sure whether someone can be punished for just participating in gambling. Maybe a monetary fine of $10 or $20 can be justified. But definitely not a prison term.

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actually not only Kartanaka, i think there are many countries that still ban gambling. even the punishment is great as is said for the one who transgresses it. actually it depends on the rules and traditions of the country itself whether or not gambling is allowed. fortunately in my country gambling is still accepted so there are still many people that join it and many people are helped by it.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 27, 2021, 01:56:26 AM

Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

There are certain formalities before the government agencies can request that sort of information from the internet provider. So they can't just randomly check the internet access of some guy who is waging $10 or $20 in online gambling. And for search warrant, the requirements are even stricter. The judge or some other higher ranking official needs to agree to the finding that there is a reasonable suspicion that the individual is engaged in illegal activity. Anyway these sort of stupid laws will be struck down by the courts once someone files a PIL.

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My question is, why are they only banning one state? because the people out there have high ratings of addiction to gambling or there might be another reason that they don't tell us about. Anyway if this is just a step for something like a drill before putting it as one of their law in the entire country then they're making some good steps here by choosing the most affected state in their country. The other state should be ready as well because this kind of bill will be introduced to their state as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 26, 2021, 10:30:10 PM

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Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

As I mentioned earlier, the cops can't just break in to anyone's house and conduct a search. For that they need a warrant. You guys should be aware of your rights, else the corrupt cops will take advantage of that. And in order to get a search warrant, the cops need to give good justification. If they claim that the user is suspected of making a few bets on gambling sites, then the judge will just tell them to get out and focus on their other tasks. A search warrant can be obtained only of there is proof to link the user to some criminal activity. And usage of VPN is not enough to get a search warrant.

I am worried if the corrupt cops will take the chance to ask for the money so we do not have to face the law. I see that the police can easily find our mistake, even if that is not a real mistake to drag us to their office and ask for more.

Before the government investigates us, they need to ask the ISP provider because that is related to our connection and if they find that we use VPN for playing gambling, they can catch us with a search warrant. I hope those people will all be fine and not trying to break their law.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 26, 2021, 11:09:13 PM

India is a Muslim country , So expect banning from gambling right? lucky that they are allowing gambling in many areas in which against their religion so everything that comes like this is i believe normal and does not need to be unexpected.

WTF man? India do have the largest Muslim population in the world, but that doesn't make it a Muslim country. Only 15% of the population is made up of Muslims. By your criteria China is having a larger Muslim population than Saudi Arabia. So China should be a Muslim country as well? The reason why they have such regressive stance towards gambling is due to the conservative attitude prevailing in that region. The attitude towards gambling is the same irrespective of whether the majority religion is Hindu (India, Nepal), Muslim (Pakistan, Maldives) or Buddhist (Myanmar, Sri Lanka).

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

India is a Muslim country , So expect banning from gambling right? lucky that they are allowing gambling in many areas in which against their religion so everything that comes like this is i believe normal and does not need to be unexpected .

Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 25, 2021, 03:34:31 AM

One of the news sources says the ban on online gambling is as a result of numerous complains from the public regarding cyber fraud. The question is, "in this era of VPNs and what-have-you can online gambling be truly ban?" Well, there are 28 states in India and Karnataka is not even the biggest I guess it's just going to affect the state only and not other states. Gambling startups might just have to move to other states without a ban.

https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/karnataka-passes-bill-to-ban-online-games-of-chance-cait-calls-it-setback-to-startups-307297-2021-09-22

cyber fraud issue meaning their government is not that good in handling the situation in which instead of acting professional now they are blaming the gambling? lol this sounds funny.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 26, 2021, 12:32:24 PM

Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

As I mentioned earlier, the cops can't just break in to anyone's house and conduct a search. For that they need a warrant. You guys should be aware of your rights, else the corrupt cops will take advantage of that. And in order to get a search warrant, the cops need to give good justification. If they claim that the user is suspected of making a few bets on gambling sites, then the judge will just tell them to get out and focus on their other tasks. A search warrant can be obtained only of there is proof to link the user to some criminal activity. And usage of VPN is not enough to get a search warrant.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2021, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: AicecreaME on September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

That is a good suggestion and it seems I have heard of friends suggesting to use PVN for the safe browsing of the online casino. But how about those casinos that prohibit to use of PVN, they might not friendly in a situation like this. Even though they are banning gambling but still this will hurt and cut their revenue. We know the gambling industry was a good contributor when it comes to economic recovery.

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