Karnataka ( A state in India ) they introduced bill in assembly to ban o.gamblin - page 2.

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A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

exactly!
I really can't understand these people who opt for a government that controls more things and makes more rules, in general
wouldn't it be better to just people decide freely and invest in education so they can make better decisions?

I really think that the governments want this kind of dependency of the people on them so they can grow more powerful, for example when there is a natural disaster I always hear people say that the government should do something to help people out, but beside the basics like helping cleaning out after the disaster and giving some relief to the people nothing else should be done, and it is up to the people and other private parties like insurance companies to deal with the aftermath.

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The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

Besides that, it will be easy for the cops to search for where you live to watch what you do while you use VPN. If you do not do something illegal, they will not do anything but will still watch you from somewhere you do not know. The police will react fast when you try to break their rule and at that time, you can get warn from them not to cross that border. If people are still afraid, they do not have to try to use VPN instead use their IP to access the internet as usual.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

Just relax. No one is going to imprison you if you just use a VPN. Tens of millions use VPN in India and till now I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested just because of that. Even of the parliamentarians come up with some stupid law, the courts will overturn that. Unless there is a clear link towards terrorism or some other criminal activity, the cops can't break in to your house and arrest you (they need a warrant, which I hope you are aware). To gamble or not is an individual choice, and in a truly democratic country the governments would stay away from all this.

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I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

The very simple way is to abide the law, so that no consequences will happen. There's no reason to risk your life in gambling, it's not worth it. I'd rather be bored at home thinking of something to do rather than bored in a jail for years and years just because of a bad habit. But if you're good at computers and could outsmart their cyber authority then go for it.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 25, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

A very strict kind of situation in that case on where they do really end up on having that kind of way of implementing such laws but i cant really blame off because law is law and it is really needing for its
citizens to follow up if they dont like to experience some problems or violations that would really be putting them on trouble.Each country does have its own take into things which it is just right
that there would be consequences for those who had violate up on whats been mandated and as a citizen then you would really need to follow.They do make out laws for a reason
but its true that there would be several gambling places that would be built up underground.

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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Internet service provider can easily detect the traffic that goes through VPN tunnels and this information is available to law enforcement agencies, as in India there are two solutions for surveillance of users: Central Monitoring System and National Intelligence Grid. I think if the police come to the house of someone who is breaking the laws of the country they will be very rough and they will come without any court orders. You will give them access to your devices.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

I heard that most states in India are going to take action against online gambling as in India even main stream media is showing gambling related advertisements more frequently which will definitely bring negative impacts to younger generations.

Cricket based online gambling (not just sportsbetting) and cards based gambling are more famous in India as far as I read hence these types of actions from state governments definitely safeguard new generations. I guess Bangalore is the city from the mentioned kanataka state which is the hub for software development and for producing new IT professionals hence banning online gambling will produce positive consequences for sure.

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One of the news sources says the ban on online gambling is as a result of numerous complains from the public regarding cyber fraud. The question is, "in this era of VPNs and what-have-you can online gambling be truly ban?" Well, there are 28 states in India and Karnataka is not even the biggest I guess it's just going to affect the state only and not other states. Gambling startups might just have to move to other states without a ban.

https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/karnataka-passes-bill-to-ban-online-games-of-chance-cait-calls-it-setback-to-startups-307297-2021-09-22

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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Maybe those cyber divisions of the police will not arrest you using VPN but watching what you did with that. If they see that you use a VPN for doing something illegal, they can easily track you wherever you live. People use VPN to access the site that their ISP blocked and I guess gambling is not the only thing that police will concern because porn and other illegal things can be their reason to catch people who abuse their law.

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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 07:00:27 PM

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

Technically that will be the case.. but I don't think that they will go that far. Parliamentarians come up with a lot of useless laws every year in India and most of the times they are ignored. For example, porn is banned and anyone searching for porn faces a prison term up to 6 months. But India remains the top consumer of porn in the world, and as far as I know no one has been arrested for watching it. The same goes for file sharing with torrents. Technically, anyone downloading pirated movies face prison term. And although uploaders have been arrested, none of those who downloaded it has faced any legal action so far.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 07:29:26 AM

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

Does this mean if you are living in Karnataka and you are using VPN you will be charged for online gambling because you are using VPN? they must first establish that you are using VPN to gamble and a VPN company will not give them confidential information on how their clients are using their service and they must go to court to take your computer.
But yes I agree if you are going to break the law be sure you know what you are doing and you know how the authorities can track your activity online.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 24, 2021, 04:16:58 PM

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I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

have you ever been to a place where drugs are forbidden?
can you answer if people use drugs or not in these places?

same thing with gambling
you can make it forbidden but this will just make it more lucrative for those who don't care about not following the law to collect this monetary premium

I can agree with you here. We have seen countries totally banning drugs and yet, they still have drug users. So same with this problem, even if their government totally banned gambling, some of these gamblers will find a way how to get around this government protocol. And underground gambling may soon arise instead. Gambling is already part of humanity. So maybe better regulate it rather than ban it. At least the government is getting something from it.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on September 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM

I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

have you ever been to a place where drugs are forbidden?
can you answer if people use drugs or not in these places?

same thing with gambling
you can make it forbidden but this will just make it more lucrative for those who don't care about not following the law to collect this monetary premium

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 24, 2021, 06:29:35 AM

Quote from: aioc on September 23, 2021, 06:36:36 PM

By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

People will decide by themselves whether it is to break the rule or follow the rule. And if they are caught by the government playing gambling in underground or offline casinos or online casinos, they need to be responsible for what they did and should accept if they get the punishment. But maybe the government will difficult to track those people when they gamble using VPN. Hopefully, people can get aware and not trying breaking the rule.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on September 24, 2021, 06:29:35 AM

Quote from: aioc on September 23, 2021, 06:36:36 PM

By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

I would not advise people who do not know about the security of the Internet to use a VPN. India has long had a cyber division of the police, which, as practice has shown, has a sufficient set of tools to detect the use of VPNs, various anonymizers and other means of circumventing blocking. There are not a few examples of how people have received a real sentence for the use of VPNs in India.

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Quote from: aioc on September 23, 2021, 06:36:36 PM

By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

It's not the Government's fault anymore if people would resort on such thing, it's their choice, but of course it comes with consequences when they get caught gambling in an illegal way, surely they don't want that. Their Government only did what they think is right for their country, there are still gambling platforms on their country but very limited. Online casinos could never be banned because VPN exist, and there's no way the Government would take such extra effort to track those people.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 23, 2021, 03:02:51 PM

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

We are talking about India, and the people have a sense of fake morality. On the outside they are against alcohol, porn, gambling.etc. But India remains the no.1 consumer of in all these sectors. The government knows that it may gain tax revenue if gambling is legalized and regulated. But doing so is a huge risk, and the "conservative" (i.e those who oppose these things on the outside and actually addicted to them on the inside) voters may take revenge by voting against them en bloc. And steps such as new prohibitions immediately boost the standing of the government with this section of the voters.

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By banning gambling they will just encourage underground gambling, they should know that some players will do everything to play online, they will spend money and resources to track these players to the point they are going to break individual's privacy, they can ban offline casinos but I don't think they can with online casinos, there's still a way to access online gambling casinos, you can't beat the internet.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on September 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM

I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

That’s beyond the control of government, for sure there’s a lot of way for them to continue gambling but make sure they didn’t get caught because even minors can still be charged for sure. Gambling is something that is not for them, better not to encourage them and guide them in the right way, don’t let those minor into gambling.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 23, 2021, 03:02:51 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on September 20, 2021, 09:09:44 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2021, 11:52:08 AM

A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

exactly!
I really can't understand these people who opt for a government that controls more things and makes more rules, in general
wouldn't it be better to just people decide freely and invest in education so they can make better decisions?

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