Karnataka ( A state in India ) they introduced bill in assembly to ban o.gamblin - page 3.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

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I think its uninforceable, especially with cryptocurrency and blockchain. What are they going to do? Ban VPNs? Become like China and separate themselves from the rest of us with some kind of India firewall? Anyone who wants to gamble will find a way to gamble. They should be using that government money to help people with gambling addictions instead of putting them in prison.

^ That was exactly what I am thinking, besides from that, they will possibly have benefit in gambling by collecting tax as a good revenue to their economy.
Here in my country, when our economy recovering from the economic loss during a pandemic, the first they opened business are those gambling businesses because they know that this will contribute a lot. But that is their law, each country has different laws and jurisdictions that citizens must be followed, there is nothing you can do either not to follow or abide by them.

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Was horse racing and lottery being run by the government of Karnataka? If yes, I think that was the reason they aren't banning all of it, just my own opinion but I think people will still be curious on things and will just goes through another alternatives like having a VPN or else another state where it's legal. I don't know if how government will enforced this but gamblers should take notice.

If this banning continues, people can use VPN to play online gambling and they will not stop before they get caught by the authority. I guess the government will not be easy to find who is their people are still playing gambling. But in the local gambling places, maybe the government can search from places where people usually place their bets. People can break the rule by using many ways to play gambling, whether their government prohibits or even ban gambling.

They will not stop until they've been caught red-handed and put some huge sanction over on that matter. People will always find some ways to disobey such things and that's a fact in the world of gambling may it the traditional or online. Seems these governments haven't learn a lesson of the past that if they keep it for banning and banning it will just increase more the urge of the people to do so, if they really want to end gambling then they should annihilated all of it and never a single thing will exist (which I think these governments can do since it's their milking cow).

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Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2021, 11:52:08 AM

A ban is the first step and regulation is the next. It seems the state doesn't have the means to enforce taxes on any of these online platforms that is why they are trying to scare the gamblers. This is a challenge to many governments right now and it's not only in India that online gambling is prohibited.

On the contrary, it should be regulation first, if regulation is not enough, then an outright ban.

However, it seems they skip that process and go directly to banning online gambling. So this will not sit well for those gamblers around that area for sure. I'm not really sure why they came up with measures to go and ban online gambling. It may result in gamblers, playing underground to circumvent this ban. We all know how resourceful gamblers are, they will always find a way to continue it no matter if we are in a pandemic or an outright banning from the state.

Banning something should always be the last resort, and when it comes to gambling it is obvious regulation is the right choice not only for the players but also for the government, the government benefits from the taxes they get from it and the players benefit from having the government check that the games are not so heavily skewed on the house favor and that players are actually paid when they win, with a ban everyone losses with the exception of organized crime which now have a new industry to exploit.

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I think it's a good move but to what age group this rule applies to? I mean this rule can be exploted in many ways and the gambler can get away with gambling by handling his money to someone who's underage to gamble and still carries on.

But they've banned the gambling activities entirely and what about Social gamblers?

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I think its uninforceable, especially with cryptocurrency and blockchain. What are they going to do? Ban VPNs? Become like China and separate themselves from the rest of us with some kind of India firewall? Anyone who wants to gamble will find a way to gamble. They should be using that government money to help people with gambling addictions instead of putting them in prison.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 23, 2021, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

This bill shows the problem for the local government isn't gambling itself, but online gambling only. In my opinion what Karnataka state is proposing shouldn't be accepted, because it's lobbying practice, that is when a specific group of the industry is benefited by the government, while the rest is criminalized without any legit reason.

Such projects don't make sense in a globalized world where we are connected to the internet all day long. The mentioned proposal is similar to that one which forbids online shopping websites because it's going to prejudice the local businesses income.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 23, 2021, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

this is the thing with politics
most of the time it's way more for economic reasons than for anything else, in this case politicians could ban all gambling that doesn't benefit them

it's sad but the truth is most don't care for people's health at all and only use it as an excuse

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/karnataka-government-bill-assembly-ban-online-gambling-7516048/lite/

Karnataka ( A state in India ) just introduced a bill in assembly to ban online gambling in the state which does mean that the players won't be able to use anything like that anymore. People will have maximum imprisonment UpTo 3 years or would have to pay 1 lac. Inr. Virtual currencies are also included in the same. It does not involve lottery or wagering, horse racing outside the state. For people who are addicted the punishment would increase every moment, it would start from a lower amount and lower imprisonment and increase tremendously for every next offence.

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

I didn't hear about this news until I saw this post so thanks for bringing this up. Although I am not from Karnataka but this does ring a bell.
Few points I would like to clarify are as follows

They have just tabled the bill for amendment and this does not mean that it will be approved.
The bill is only applicable for the State and not the whole country so it's not that big of a deal anyway.
The punishment starts from Rs. 10000 which is around $133 or 6 months of imprisonment.

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The penalty is very harsh the people of Karnataka can't do anything but follow the new law, you can still play using a VPN but be sure it will not put you in trouble we have seen a lot of players getting their accounts in trouble because of using VPN, the state of Karnataka it seems only want their people to gamble on casinos that they can tax, they cannot tax online gambling site so they restrict their citizen.
It's understandable the tax will sustain the government spending.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 23, 2021, 06:45:10 AM

There's a reason why they need to ban of course and some instances I guess because they cannot receive any kind of tax for this kind of an action because most if it's all about cryptocurrency gambling they cannot earn regarding with it but still it's not banned all of the gambling so they don't need to worry about even the lottery are still open to doing with we cannot do anything if the country releases a ban because it's about their law and we cannot argue and deal with it.

But the bill does not involve lotteries or betting. So there is still a possibility that the policies made are not fully organized for all types of gambling. There may be some gambling that is monitored and acted upon. Thus we feel we will not worry too much about this rule. As long as it hasn't completely banned all other gambling games. Because it clearly states that it doesn't involve the lottery.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 20, 2021, 10:24:59 AM

Suuree it's to "wean citizens away from the vice of gambling" BUT "it does not include lottery or wagering or betting on horse races run on any race course within or outside the state." It's not for the sake of people, but for money, to keep the money flowing to lottery and horse races. #Feelsbadman for Karnataka slots players!
I think you guys can still get away with a VPN, but DWYOR.

ROFLMAO seriously? Man, that bill is outrageous for not including lottery betting on horse racing. Well, since it is just a bill, I am pretty sure that once it goes through the process of their Congress, the bill would be deconstructed and add all the necessary details that encompass 'gambling' in general. I find it ridiculous that they singled out some activities in gambling while not including the other forms of gambling.

This just goes to show on how their government did not think through about the whole bill. I do hope that once it gets deconstructed or fixed, it will be including all forms of gambling.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

Indeed, there are so many real problems in India which the government needs to solve that tougher penalties for gambling are the last thing they should be thinking about. It would be better for the government to think about possible measures to reduce mortality and poverty among the population, which, as I think, is not caused by gambling.

Perhaps you already know how the caste system has overhauled and restricted the freedom of Indian citizens to live on the same path with a better economic future. But this stigma makes them never independent as the real definition. Then it is attacked by social, economic inequality, to the point that gambling is the only solution. Isn't it very unfortunate that some regions in India do not realize that all have the right to have the same position and have a better economic status. When a case arises, why are they to blame for the relative neglect of the rule system? the answer is only one, namely the limitations that shackle.

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this kind of government bill will usually just create a parallel market where gambling is illegal so those who dare to do it collect a premium fee on it
look at drugs, as an example, government could tax it and regulate, earning a lot of money doing so (like California or Amsterdam) but in most places they prefer to make it forbidden, the only ones to lose on that is the population (with raise on violence, as an example) because people won't stop to use it

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India is included in the poorest country in the world. Imagine India getting so much worse because the majority of the population are addicted in gambling, while the Government earns revenue on gambling house they allowed such as lotteries and horse racing, but the problem about poverty to in their country is still worsening every single day, then what's the benefit, right?

So for me their leader did a good job. Instead of allowing gambling business to run, it's more productive if they are going to build a livelihood programs for those people who needs it.

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The hypocrisy of this ban is ridiculous...

They ban online gambling with very harsh punishment or even jail time, but they allow horse racing and the government lottery...etc. etc. Why not just say, "Listen, we want you to gamble on local platforms, because we want the money to stay within India (or that area) or where we have better control over the money that are leaving the country.

We all know local lotteries are sponsoring Sport development and local charities and they pay large amounts in taxes and license fees. Most of these local brick n mortar casinos also have to pay bribes to the local government employees to get the licenses, so we know why they hate online casinos. Roll Eyes

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There's a reason why they need to ban of course and some instances I guess because they cannot receive any kind of tax for this kind of an action because most if it's all about cryptocurrency gambling they cannot earn regarding with it but still it's not banned all of the gambling so they don't need to worry about even the lottery are still open to doing with we cannot do anything if the country releases a ban because it's about their law and we cannot argue and deal with it.

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Quote from: maju69 on September 22, 2021, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

Indeed, there are so many real problems in India which the government needs to solve that tougher penalties for gambling are the last thing they should be thinking about. It would be better for the government to think about possible measures to reduce mortality and poverty among the population, which, as I think, is not caused by gambling.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 09:08:32 AM

What do you think about it ?
( Players from Karnataka India, please do take a note of this and follow this news)

This prohibition aims to continue to minimize the occurrence of public aggression towards gambling just because of the impingement of wrong livelihoods. There's no such thing as really making gambling to make money. When the citizens of Karnataka are being pressured to survive in a state of recovery from Covid 19, in fact India is still having trouble dealing with this case. Until many gambling games are opened secretly. Not only online gambling, some people in the Karnataka market gamble behind buildings. The new rules that create boundaries, still say will not be a good solution.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 21, 2021, 09:40:27 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 21, 2021, 05:30:50 PM

Gambling is illegal in India and you cannot find a casino anywhere else in the nation except for Goa which is a tourist destination and online gambling was a grey area for a long time and you are not able to deposit money into gambling sites using any banking system directly and if you want to gamble you need to transfer money to multiple online payment systems before depositing in a gambling site and now a state introduced a bill which is not that surprising.

Everything is banned in India. Gambling, porn, weed, and even satellite phones. The government thinks that citizens should dance as per their whims and fancies. There is no concept of individual liberty or privacy. And a large section of the population actually supports this. They believe that such restrictions are necessary to prevent tax evasion and criminal activities. And like analysts say, a population always get the government they deserve. Those who don't want to live under such restrictive conditions just migrate to other countries.

The fact is that the more it is banned, it creates a lot of resistance. India with the largest human population makes it difficult for the government to overcome their policies so that they are evenly distributed. Even in gambling, there are many ways for residents there to take cases in various ways. They even dominate crypto transactions anonymously. So it is possible that when in Karnataka there are restrictions, it does not mean they are completely silent.

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Not surprised as this is common here in India. I guess last year I have seen Delhi to ban online gambling (correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember ATM). I don’t know why the hell they ban this. People with enough age must have the right to do whatever they wish to do with their money.
Well, they can't prevent online gambling for sure. There are a lot of casino which allow playing with VPN. Bad move from them IMO. It would be good for them if they could simply bring gambling under regulations which could potentially bring them revenue.

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