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legendary
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February 18, 2024, 10:45:37 AM
A person can hide their gambling habits if they play only in online casinos not physical casinos can keep it a secret if you can afford it,
My brother I still doubt it because as you said if the person also mingle with friends and discuss about gambling at least one of his friends will definitely know that he his friend is a gambler. Because there are some times in the process of discussing, argument would burst out and he would say somethings which wouldn't say in public to protect himself and things like "I don't want my game to cut" or " I want my supporting team to win so that I will win this amount" and once those statements are made they would know that he is a gambler, he plays gamble. And the only thing he might do at that time is to beg them not to expose him and if they agreed then he has luck , but even at that it is 50/50 because the day when one of the friends agreeing with another group of people in another casino centers, he might use his friend as example. A guy came to my house and he login to a casino site so I asked him if he is gambling and he denied that he is not but was checking something. And I immediately know that he is denying but he was hiding his gambling habit but I have known. It is not easy to hide gambling habit my brother.
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February 18, 2024, 10:33:03 AM
I get wanting to keep things chill with your wife and fam, but hiding your online gambling ain't exactly the smoothest move. Honesty is like money. It builds trust, and trust is the gold in any relationship. Keeping this secret might feel like a quick fix, but it can blow up later, leaving everyone feeling hurt and confused. Imagine their faces when the truth drops – not cool, right?

Finances ain't magic. Even if you think those funds are "extra," are they really? Gambling, even small amounts, can sneak up on your budget faster than a ninja in the night. Talking it out with your wife helps you both see the bigger picture and make choices that work for everyone.

Denial ain't a river. Saying "it's just a little fun" might feel easier, but ignoring the risks is like playing chicken with a freight train. Gambling can be addictive, messing with your finances, emotions, and even landing you in legal trouble. Brushing it off makes it harder to get help if things get rough.
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February 18, 2024, 10:31:28 AM
The matter how you hide your gambling habit from people, people will still know. And once one person knew it in your neighborhood or your friend then it is no longer a secret because what you know by yourself is secret because at that stage you have not given or tell anyone about the issue, it is within you and once you tell anyone then it is no more w a secret. And gambling is not something you keep to yourself for a very long time because you must visit casino centers and place bet and print out slips. Habit can not be hidden for a long time because you must mingle with other people. And if it is a hobby or the person is an addict to gamble then the person can't hide it and it would become a public announcement to all.
A person can hide their gambling habits if they play only in online casinos not physical casinos can keep it a secret if you can afford it, but honestly gambling is commonplace and many people know about it from the younger generation to the elderly even in a group of friends are sure to often discuss gambling even if for example you can play but you know how to play gambling, so indeed they will know it's just that they don't care about that view or from others.
sr. member
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February 18, 2024, 10:26:20 AM

If gambling is not a hobby, a the way to earn money. A job. Then it is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to hide either. Who would hide the fact that he works? I think nobody. People would rather hide the fact that they dont work.

Usually people who don't have a permanent job or real job will keep their hobby of gambling a secret from other people for the reason that they don't feel embarrassed and in general people think that gambling is an activity that is prohibited and causes a lot of harm. self. So gamblers try to cover up their hobby so they don't get caught.
However, this is different from people who gamble to make money, it is very likely that they will dare to tell or share their activities with other people because gambling can make extra money.
who use gambling as a source of income and if they on a good money from gambling then he/she definitely will share their winning to others friends and relatives and they will happily convince them to gamble. actually gambling addicted people are not able to understand the bad effect of gambling and how they got damaged from the gaming addiction. but who are using gambling as a fun they will not share there gaming activities to others because they know if the share their gaming activities then it will rain there reputation on the society.
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February 18, 2024, 10:23:26 AM
Arguably, the idea that someone should keep his gambling activities a secret is actually wrong. Now for a core gambler gambling is seen as a normal fun activity or a normal leisure activity and therefore they will definitely be of the opinion that there is no need to keep it hidden. Logically it sounds right. Gambling is supposed to be a totally fun activity however unfortunately most people no longer see it as a fun act because of the added financial gain.
If a family member should end up finding out that you're a gambler and you've been hiding it they will feel very bad. Sometimes not even because it was gambling but because of the fact you hid something from them. It could even lead to worse if they see gambling as a wrong act.
legendary
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February 18, 2024, 10:20:55 AM
The matter how you hide your gambling habit from people, people will still know. And once one person knew it in your neighborhood or your friend then it is no longer a secret because what you know by yourself is secret because at that stage you have not given or tell anyone about the issue, it is within you and once you tell anyone then it is no more w a secret. And gambling is not something you keep to yourself for a very long time because you must visit casino centers and place bet and print out slips. Habit can not be hidden for a long time because you must mingle with other people. And if it is a hobby or the person is an addict to gamble then the person can't hide it and it would become a public announcement to all.
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February 18, 2024, 09:56:35 AM

If gambling is not a hobby, a the way to earn money. A job. Then it is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to hide either. Who would hide the fact that he works? I think nobody. People would rather hide the fact that they dont work.

Usually people who don't have a permanent job or real job will keep their hobby of gambling a secret from other people for the reason that they don't feel embarrassed and in general people think that gambling is an activity that is prohibited and causes a lot of harm. self. So gamblers try to cover up their hobby so they don't get caught.
However, this is different from people who gamble to make money, it is very likely that they will dare to tell or share their activities with other people because gambling can make extra money.
legendary
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February 18, 2024, 09:46:41 AM
I find it wrong to hide fact of gambling if it is a hobby. I dont understand why should a person even do that? Especially if it is just a hobby. People who have real hobbies or pashioned in something do completely opposite than hiding. Instead the share and show their hobby to others. Ask any person who is into collecting models, postmarks and etc about his hobby and he will talk for hours.

If gambling is not a hobby, a the way to earn money. A job. Then it is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to hide either. Who would hide the fact that he works? I think nobody. People would rather hide the fact that they dont work.
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February 18, 2024, 09:40:10 AM

Those that keep their gambling habit a secret is it that they're not proud of what they are doing?.
Let me just go straight to the point of your question. People who keep their gambling habit a secret, are those that are chronic gamblers probably they might have sold most of there belonging and render themselves useless with Dept all over, and they have been given warning never to be seen in a gambling hall or anywhere close to gambling casino. And in pursuit of to abide on that law, they hide while gambling. They don't do it for anybody or there friends, but because of the commitment they have made.
 With there family.
This is an answer that is actually not very correct if you say that those who keep their gambling activities secret are chronic gamblers, how can gambler who keeps their gambling activities secret is chronic gambler?
Maybe they sold some valuables and have also lost lot of things which makes them like useless gamblers but this is their problem with themselves not with anyone else and there is no reason to hide all this from the public.
That was mistake they made and I sure what they did was actually known by many people including all family members, selling most of their valuables to be able to gamble clearly would be very visible so it had nothing to do with keeping it secret.

Truth is that gambling activities are kept secret because of the desire to remain anonymous for several basic reasons, one of which is to avoid bad things such as extortion or theft when winning big.
Apart from that, it can also be said that not everyone perspective on gambling is good because in social life gambling is still considered bad activity.
There are various reasons that can actually explain this context and not all of them will be related to some nonsense.
Just because someone keeps their gambling habits private doesnt mean they're chronic gamblers. I understand the point - secrecy doesn't mean chronic gaming. Why the secrecy? Gambling stigma and judgment anxiety are palpable, as I've seen. Its not only about extortion or theft after a huge win; its about how society views gaming.

Who sells assets to gamble? Thats an obvious indicator, impossible to disguise, but does it nullify the emotional fight to keep one's sentiments and reasons private? In my opinion, no. More than meets the eye. The psychological struggle, guilt, and fear of inferiority. Thats chronic secrecy.
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February 18, 2024, 08:35:58 AM

Those that keep their gambling habit a secret is it that they're not proud of what they are doing?.
Let me just go straight to the point of your question. People who keep their gambling habit a secret, are those that are chronic gamblers probably they might have sold most of there belonging and render themselves useless with Dept all over, and they have been given warning never to be seen in a gambling hall or anywhere close to gambling casino. And in pursuit of to abide on that law, they hide while gambling. They don't do it for anybody or there friends, but because of the commitment they have made.
 With there family.
This is an answer that is actually not very correct if you say that those who keep their gambling activities secret are chronic gamblers, how can gambler who keeps their gambling activities secret is chronic gambler?
Maybe they sold some valuables and have also lost lot of things which makes them like useless gamblers but this is their problem with themselves not with anyone else and there is no reason to hide all this from the public.
That was mistake they made and I sure what they did was actually known by many people including all family members, selling most of their valuables to be able to gamble clearly would be very visible so it had nothing to do with keeping it secret.

Truth is that gambling activities are kept secret because of the desire to remain anonymous for several basic reasons, one of which is to avoid bad things such as extortion or theft when winning big.
Apart from that, it can also be said that not everyone perspective on gambling is good because in social life gambling is still considered bad activity.
There are various reasons that can actually explain this context and not all of them will be related to some nonsense.
legendary
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January 19, 2024, 01:02:33 PM
I think these days with so many gambling companies involved with sponsorship deals with sporting teams we love to watch or merely fans of... There is so much gambling content out there such as TV ads, clothing with gambling sites printed on them, billboards you name it and this has made gambling kind of an acceptable thing people can try out without anybody looking down on them...

And the fact that gambling  has proved to be an alternative source of funds if you know what you doing is drawing more people here, and this has brought people in the open and are gambling freely without keeping it a secret, unless gambling is banned in your jurisdiction then it's a valid reason to keep this a secret!!!..

Of course the more exposure to such marketing campaigns the more prone for people who are not happy with their life,their work life specifically and they come to find refuge in gambling,if this proves to be a working alternative as source of funds it will be even better for them.However since most of the time in public I go to the church on Sundays I remember last Sunday speech which was all about how stupid are the people who gamble as the priest was telling a story about people telling here that the machines (he was referring to physical ones) are programmed 97% to get and 3% maybe to win,so I was barely containing myself from laughing aloud.This story to shows that gambling has no limits it hits even firm believers and turns them into gambling addicts.
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January 19, 2024, 12:56:01 PM
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Yes and that is one of the advantages of socialization in gambling, sometimes things like this do not only apply in gambling but in real life too such as when you experience some problems and any problems whether it is the world of work or even more often is about romance then usually you will look for someone who can listen to the problems you are experiencing with the aim of getting at least some solutions that can be considered  and it is true that this will be quite useful if we apply to gambling problems which as you say when we are experiencing a defeat that is quite painful, because of course sharing stories or experiences with others will be able to make us feel more comfortable and calm.

And yes as you said if indeed we have  a good approach in the sense that it can still make us safe and comfortable in gambling then I think socialization is not really needed, and maybe you will only feel a little boredom situation with the gambling you do. So the point is in this  matter I think we cannot completely rule out socialization activities in gambling because of the fact as we discussed above that this is indeed needed especially when we experience problems in gambling.
It depends on each person because some are used to sharing what they experience with others, and others prefer to hide it from others because they feel they are still capable of doing so. Usually, those who are used to sharing it with other people are very picky and won't share it with many people, and only those close to them will know the story. They have been chosen to be listeners, give advice, and helpers to people who gamble so that they listen to their advice. When the gambler experiences problems, the gambler will go to these people to ask for advice or other needed things.

Some people like to socialize, and those who don't, so we cannot equate one person with another. Those who are closed off from other people don't really like sharing what they experience or do, so it gives the impression that they don't want to socialize even though they are very picky in choosing people who are only close to them. And in telling what they experienced, they will look for people who really understand them so they will not choose just anyone.

Yes I understand this, it all depends on themselves and it is a fact that some people prefer to be closed to others, they have their own way of solving their problems, maybe by locking themselves in the room while crying, of course for this problem it is true and I quite agree with your idea that it depends on the person. Yes that's right, people who choose to tell their problems to others will also not be careless in choosing people, because not everyone can be trusted to keep other people's problems a secret and this is the reason people will be very careful to choose listeners who can really keep their secrets and usually they often choose the people closest to them such as their true friends or one of their family members. But sometimes there are also listeners who really just listen and don't provide any solutions or suggestions to consider, people like that are quite boring Cheesy but it doesn't really matter because at least they are willing to be a good listener. Grin
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January 19, 2024, 12:17:02 PM
I think these days with so many gambling companies involved with sponsorship deals with sporting teams we love to watch or merely fans of... There is so much gambling content out there such as TV ads, clothing with gambling sites printed on them, billboards you name it and this has made gambling kind of an acceptable thing people can try out without anybody looking down on them...

And the fact that gambling  has proved to be an alternative source of funds if you know what you doing is drawing more people here, and this has brought people in the open and are gambling freely without keeping it a secret, unless gambling is banned in your jurisdiction then it's a valid reason to keep this a secret!!!..

A good valid reason in terms of awareness, there are many sponsorshps and there are many influencers all over the internet that are involve to this venue, I like that idea where you mentioned that impression with gambling involvement is no longer that much as you are doing a really bad habits, and some cases when a gambler knew how to work on it ang manage to win decently they are being called professional but the venue is still gambling.

Acceptance might be much better nowadays compared from that old-school decrinmination that happening before. You need to carry that mindset and not to be bothered if you are in this kind of activities.
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January 19, 2024, 11:00:08 AM

Those that keep their gambling habit a secret is it that they're not proud of what they are doing?.
Let me just go straight to the point of your question. People who keep their gambling habit a secret, are those that are chronic gamblers probably they might have sold most of there belonging and render themselves useless with Dept all over, and they have been given warning never to be seen in a gambling hall or anywhere close to gambling casino. And in pursuit of to abide on that law, they hide while gambling. They don't do it for anybody or there friends, but because of the commitment they have made.
 With there family.
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January 19, 2024, 10:45:28 AM
I think these days with so many gambling companies involved with sponsorship deals with sporting teams we love to watch or merely fans of... There is so much gambling content out there such as TV ads, clothing with gambling sites printed on them, billboards you name it and this has made gambling kind of an acceptable thing people can try out without anybody looking down on them...

And the fact that gambling  has proved to be an alternative source of funds if you know what you doing is drawing more people here, and this has brought people in the open and are gambling freely without keeping it a secret, unless gambling is banned in your jurisdiction then it's a valid reason to keep this a secret!!!..
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January 19, 2024, 10:40:06 AM
I think it is a natural thing that our close family members get concerned about bad habits of acitivities we have and whenever they find about them. they try to warn us sometime with love and sometime rudely because they reallly care about us.
And this is also a reason why people keep their gambling habits secrets to close relatives because they know these are the people who try to stop them. while others might not care about that.

People keep these things secret because they know that if close family members knows about it, they will just not bear it and the relationship can be damaged for broken in worse-case situations.
The family members must be tolerant enough to listen to each other's issues and problems.

I agree with what you say, because there are many negative views on gambling that make them hide their gambling activities, the same is true for me, I myself tend to prefer to keep my gambling activities a secret, because I think there is no benefit if I reveal them. my gambling activities to many people or my own family. and indeed my country also does not allow gambling, as you said, this can damage a relationship.

gambling is done on the basis of one's own will, in my opinion no family member suggests gambling because it is not good advice. even if they have enough money or even a lot, it would be unethical to suggest gambling. But there are people who like to show off their gambling activities and show them of  even though I'm sure they have experienced a lot of losses like that. On the other hand, some people say that keeping gambling a secret from the family will cause problems, in my opinion it depends on themselves and on themselves too,  because not everyone has the same fate or storyline.
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January 19, 2024, 10:30:52 AM

My wife knows about my gambling habit, I think that's an important thing in my case. I'd like someone stopping me if I am crossing the line, betting too high amounts, or I won't even stand up in my seat anymore. Now, she doesn't really care anymore because she has seen it, I don't really gamble high amounts and I do tend to be afraid to do so. She knows me and I won't risk our budget just for the simple gambling thing, they know they are the most important people to me and I won't risk our food on the table just to entertain myself.
But, it still feels better if you know that someone has your back if you are in trouble. I mean, if ever I cross that line, I know she will be there to stop me.
It's also a good thing that she knows, that way I will be afraid to lose all my money because of being afraid that she might scold me. Grin
Keep it a secret to your neighbors to avoid gossip and so that kids won't know it from someone else. It's best they won't have any idea of gambling while they are still young which is why we keep it a secret to other people. But if it is your wife, I doubt she will tell that to the kids as long as your still together.
I don't think it's a big deal if our family knows about the gambling activities we do. it's a problem if people who are not family who will only make fun of us when they find out about the defeat when playing gambling.
As explained by @danherbias07, the wife needs to know so that she can stop when she is too deep. because indeed when we play gambling, it is not uncommon for the mind to be very chaotic and uncontrollable. That is what causes large losses and defeat.

But people prefer to keep it a secret because they don't want anyone else including their family to interfere in their gambling activities, as we know that gambling has a fairly negative point of view in the eyes of society and with that obviously gamblers are afraid that one of their family will interfere and prohibit their desire to gamble, I think that's all they have in mind and rarely do people think that by telling their family or their wife then they will be able to get help when their gambling activities have gone too far. On the other hand, I understand that by telling others, they will indirectly help us to avoid acting out of control when the situation is already hot or in the sense that we are very emotional due to defeat, but on the other hand, as I said, one of the reasons why gamblers don't want to tell anyone is because they don't want people to interfere with their gambling activities.
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January 19, 2024, 09:34:10 AM
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Totally depends i should say because not all the times that each person does have an understandable family on which there are ones who do really likes to listen others suggestions or really helping out if someone experience problems and there are ones who dont really care at all but instead they would really be making out those kind of sayings or even trying out to discriminate on what are the things that you have done.
This is why a certain person would really be that skeptical on trying out to share up things which is really that they are really that afraid on getting judged and this is something that very typical.
This is why its not shocking that there are those people who would really be just deciding that they will really be that just keeping silent on what are the things that they are involving with.
Many people prefer to keep quiet and not say or tell other people because they fear being judged or blamed for what they have done. If they gamble secretly, it is because they don't want to hear that someone will say bad things to them instead of accompanying and supervising them while gambling so that when they overdo it, they can pull out of gambling. And instead of hearing things that might disturb their focus on gambling, they will still not say it to other people. They prefer gambling in secret rather than showing it to many people because of the possibility of being blamed by other people. And other people around them also really don't know what they are doing, so people who gamble really hide their gambling activities from other people.

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Yes, if you are losing then you might share your experience with your friends and maybe ask for some bits of advice from them too but if you are winning in gambling, then it is better to keep your gambling winnings a secret otherwise your friends may become jealous of you.
Also, it matters a lot to whom you are sharing, as there are caring friends and some other friends that can see you in peace and good conditions.
They will become jealous if you are gaining any benefits in life which includes gambling too.
Those who have hidden their gambling activities will also hide the results they get from gambling and will not want to tell other people. But if there are people close to them, maybe they will tell it and share what they got from gambling. But they will not be arbitrary in sharing what they do in gambling and will choose people they can trust so that they will not blame them for what they do. Even though the people who know their story are close to the gambler, they may also advise the gambler so they can limit their gambling activities so that they don't get too deep into gambling.

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Why not limit ourselves that we tell about our gambling habit to only our friends whom we think are sincere to ourself? Bear in mind, we may have many friends around us but not all of them may be sincere with us. Sharing our gambling experience (good or bad) is something very personal to our lives and we should not share it publicly or with everyone whom we meet, it should be limited to our very very close friends or even family members.
Yes, we should tell our friends about our gambling habits so that they can immediately help us if we experience problems and get us out of gambling. Sharing something very personal can only be shared with people close to us, not just anyone because we cannot let it become public consumption. That's why if we want to share our gambling habits or activities with other people, we have to be wise in choosing the person so that we don't experience any problems later.

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Yes and that is one of the advantages of socialization in gambling, sometimes things like this do not only apply in gambling but in real life too such as when you experience some problems and any problems whether it is the world of work or even more often is about romance then usually you will look for someone who can listen to the problems you are experiencing with the aim of getting at least some solutions that can be considered  and it is true that this will be quite useful if we apply to gambling problems which as you say when we are experiencing a defeat that is quite painful, because of course sharing stories or experiences with others will be able to make us feel more comfortable and calm.

And yes as you said if indeed we have  a good approach in the sense that it can still make us safe and comfortable in gambling then I think socialization is not really needed, and maybe you will only feel a little boredom situation with the gambling you do. So the point is in this  matter I think we cannot completely rule out socialization activities in gambling because of the fact as we discussed above that this is indeed needed especially when we experience problems in gambling.
It depends on each person because some are used to sharing what they experience with others, and others prefer to hide it from others because they feel they are still capable of doing so. Usually, those who are used to sharing it with other people are very picky and won't share it with many people, and only those close to them will know the story. They have been chosen to be listeners, give advice, and helpers to people who gamble so that they listen to their advice. When the gambler experiences problems, the gambler will go to these people to ask for advice or other needed things.

Some people like to socialize, and those who don't, so we cannot equate one person with another. Those who are closed off from other people don't really like sharing what they experience or do, so it gives the impression that they don't want to socialize even though they are very picky in choosing people who are only close to them. And in telling what they experienced, they will look for people who really understand them so they will not choose just anyone.
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January 19, 2024, 09:27:44 AM
This logic can apply to irrelevant people. outsiders. but what do you think about close family members. parents, spouses etc? do you think these people also should not meddle in someone's personal matters even if it is an addiction like gambling?

I think that close family members especially the wives and spouses have all the rights to know about our every gambling habit, no matter it is good one or a bad one. Also one thing that should be noted is that these close family members must have the courage to listen to the gambling addict and do not react at a moment. It is advisable that they treat them with care and try to resolve their problem and do not create further problems for them.

I think it is a natural thing that our close family members get concerned about bad habits of acitivities we have and whenever they find about them. they try to warn us sometime with love and sometime rudely because they reallly care about us.
And this is also a reason why people keep their gambling habits secrets to close relatives because they know these are the people who try to stop them. while others might not care about that.

People keep these things secret because they know that if close family members knows about it, they will just not bear it and the relationship can be damaged for broken in worse-case situations.
The family members must be tolerant enough to listen to each other's issues and problems.
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January 19, 2024, 09:20:07 AM
Gambling I think will be better for us as much as it can be hidden from people. Because gambling is not seen well by the people of society so we will try to hide gambling as much as possible. Smart people never want everyone to know about their gambling. He will try to gamble secretly from everyone. During gambling we face various problems due to some small mistakes like family members relatives all know that we are addicted to gambling.
Yes, sometimes hiding about our gambling activities makes us more comfortable because we know the community always associates gambling with bad things, even when something bad happens to someone and he is known to be a gambler, the community thinks it is the impact of gambling, even though behind it there are many people who It is indeed bad because of gambling, but there are quite a few people who can continue to gamble responsibly and gambling does not make their lives worse.
I do not intend to tell about my gambling activities to the people closest to me and because so far it is still within reasonable limits so I don't feel the need to tell them, and in fact there are advantages if we tell about our gambling when we become addicted so that the people closest to us can realize it and help us by taking to treatment to recover from addiction.

For the sake of hiding our intentions from the people around us, gambling secretly can be a nice option, but what if our family member is about to get into gambling and asks for our contribution. Would we keep calm and tell them we have little or no contribution to add to their new decision. That's where the hidden truth needs to be unveiled so that nobody close to us will get into problem gambling. As it'll affect us and the newbie gambler as well. Hence, while we gamble secretly for some reasons, best known to us, opening up when requested is great. Considering the thoughts of the society about gambling could be another reason for most people. But personally, I don't care on their take.

What is needed of me to do for the society is respect myself and keep true to the habit which I attained through gambling. Instead of wasting money or gambling irresponsibly, doing the right thing by obeying good strategy is the only respect I've got for my society. Hiding it is great, but makes no difference, when the person doesn't regard the society. In terms of being responsible and doing what's right. Most often, the people who waste money in gambling and get addicted are the ones that hide their gambling habit from people. It's a good thing to know our self, and what is beneficial to us, once that has been achieved, whatever the people want to say wouldn't amount to be a threat or fear of behaving in a low form of hiding something good. Gambling is not bad. Gamblers are like people who practice civil disobedience. Doing something that is good, but the society thinks it's bad or wrong.

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