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January 16, 2024, 02:24:48 PM
The overall viewpoint of society on gambling activities is negative, not least because they see from the many facts that people end up in bad situations in life as a result of being involved in gambling, although I would say you will still be fine by having the right approach to gambling but still if the public knows that you are involved then they will most likely think that you are one of the people who will be the next victim of this gambling activity.

Therefore I think there is no point in exposing this gambling activity to others especially to people who do not gamble or even who are against gambling activities, because it will only create a bad image from the views of others to you. So of course it's better to just keep it a secret with a note that you must have a good approach in your gambling involvement, because I'm sure all gamblers don't want to end up in a slump as a result of the wrong gambling approach and the other thing is to remain guarded and firm in applying risk management.
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And it is because of this that bitcoin is important, there are still many countries around the world in which gambling is considered to be a very bad thing to do, and with traditional gambling that has no room even for the smallest amount of privacy it would be impossible for those people to gamble without risking a lot in the process, but now they can enjoy their hobby knowing that if they are careful the chances they could be discovered are very low.
Crypto gambling becomes the best and safest option to explore in countries as this because this helps keeps anonymity and keeps the gambler safe and saves him or her the stress of privacy and their funds been trap due to restrictions within their jurisdiction. The innovation of crypto gambling is one that has helped so many a lot to still enjoy their hobby make money and have fun without fear of their location or restrictions due to any uncertainties but for those who are within jurisdictions where gambling is very much permited, they are in-between choosing between the crypto casino or other casinos.

Crypto casinos are the only most universal casinos which can be used across most regions and users still have the privilege a d opportunity of getting their money while still staying anonymous because it's a crypto transactions.
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January 16, 2024, 05:24:07 AM
I would like to go with OP, like the things how he explained. Actually there are many responsible gamblers who can control themselves, they follow some rules and limitation too and then do Gambling for fun. And thus gambling doesn't affect much in their life or their relationship. So they might be wonder why they keep it secret? Actually some addicted people presents gambling in a bad way to people where these addicted are steel money, force family members for money, sell out property even take lots of loan for covering gambling cost. And people also notice the changes and problems what a gambler face. And this is why people don't like gambling even will blame a gambler for many reasons where gambler isn't gulity at all. So better to keep it secret as op said.
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November 24, 2023, 10:26:18 AM
I believe gambling is treated differently in all parts of the world, other places are so religious such that they see gambling as sin as it's a breeding ground for greed, stealing, suicide etc, in other parts of the world gambling is all fun and games and nobody has a problem with it, and in other parts of the world its new territory that has been treated as a way to make money and maybe a living from it...and if you ask me whatever comes from gambling is the responsibility of the user.

With all what's been said above, if gambling won't affect your social life if others knew you gamble then no biggie but if it can get you in trouble then better keep the habit a secret.

That's practical, it's you who will treat things out if you think that you are affecting someone or you are not willing to accept any criticizm better to keep your gambling participation as secret as it can be, though there are already places which cater people who are involve in gambling as normal or being treated as normal and there's no problem at, then go and continue playing with freedom on you.

Like what you mentioned, it's your way to treat gambling and no one else can drive you from what you believe in.
Well, in this matter I am very radical as I am, but it is because of my way of being, in business I always do what I like , and if I see that it Does not hurt anyone, then I do it and I have no Problem In sharing it, the most I can raise are small envies that really slip me away, and even though people know what my reputation is because if they don't mess with me, they Know that I have been someone very correct, that I have practiced my sports and that I believe that's why The thing is that they don't mess with me, because of my sports, and because on one occasion I set up a Self-defense school, but it didn't happen later because the truth wasn't very Receptive to me , but even so, one who is a person who must do what he likes it, and what others don't like, it doesn't matter to me, because I am someone who doesn't get involved in the lives of others, I Operate in a society where I obviously have to share with them, talk and all this , Well , I say that things must be very emphatic regarding this, first of all, if I have a discussion with someone about games and casinos , I tell my Truth.

I don't know that there are people who are Older adults who think that when you go to a Casino you automatically become an addict, and that's what they try to say, and I tell them that those are things that are invented in society prior to those who They say it without ever having entered a casino and those who become addicted are actually because they want to be addicted, because a person who knows that an activity is harming them should not do it, although that does not apply to older adults who There are people on the street who are all drunk, that is something that does not Apply to them, but who am I to tell them what to drink? unless they mess with me or my family, and then there and if it's something else, I see it that way, and also people must realize that people all have tastes and that they should respect each other and that they should not judge each Other.
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November 21, 2023, 12:39:59 PM
I believe gambling is treated differently in all parts of the world, other places are so religious such that they see gambling as sin as it's a breeding ground for greed, stealing, suicide etc, in other parts of the world gambling is all fun and games and nobody has a problem with it, and in other parts of the world its new territory that has been treated as a way to make money and maybe a living from it...and if you ask me whatever comes from gambling is the responsibility of the user.

With all what's been said above, if gambling won't affect your social life if others knew you gamble then no biggie but if it can get you in trouble then better keep the habit a secret.

That's practical, it's you who will treat things out if you think that you are affecting someone or you are not willing to accept any criticizm better to keep your gambling participation as secret as it can be, though there are already places which cater people who are involve in gambling as normal or being treated as normal and there's no problem at, then go and continue playing with freedom on you.

Like what you mentioned, it's your way to treat gambling and no one else can drive you from what you believe in.
And it is because of this that bitcoin is important, there are still many countries around the world in which gambling is considered to be a very bad thing to do, and with traditional gambling that has no room even for the smallest amount of privacy it would be impossible for those people to gamble without risking a lot in the process, but now they can enjoy their hobby knowing that if they are careful the chances they could be discovered are very low.
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November 20, 2023, 06:50:05 AM
I believe gambling is treated differently in all parts of the world, other places are so religious such that they see gambling as sin as it's a breeding ground for greed, stealing, suicide etc, in other parts of the world gambling is all fun and games and nobody has a problem with it, and in other parts of the world its new territory that has been treated as a way to make money and maybe a living from it...and if you ask me whatever comes from gambling is the responsibility of the user.

With all what's been said above, if gambling won't affect your social life if others knew you gamble then no biggie but if it can get you in trouble then better keep the habit a secret.

That's practical, it's you who will treat things out if you think that you are affecting someone or you are not willing to accept any criticizm better to keep your gambling participation as secret as it can be, though there are already places which cater people who are involve in gambling as normal or being treated as normal and there's no problem at, then go and continue playing with freedom on you.

Like what you mentioned, it's your way to treat gambling and no one else can drive you from what you believe in.
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November 19, 2023, 01:48:31 PM
Honestly, people in my colony, tag gambling as if it is kind of a criminal offence. It hurts many people's sentiment, religious beliefs and they are witnesses of some violence In society due to gambling. I saw many gambler who lost their mentality and become aggressive to collect capital even attacking family member after losing game. What also effects neighbours and society people badly and that's shameful activity too. That's why a person need to be a responsible gambler and need healthy mindset. Moreover, it isn't possible to change people mindset, so for avoiding problems, better to keep it secret from family and society

People are considering gambling as a criminal activity because it is a reality that gambler never think about others and they think that if they stop gambling then there will be no money with which is an apposite situation. If a person leave gambling then there are lots of other doors open for him to earn and make him able to return all the borrowed money but realising this thing is important for gambler.

In our society no one want to make a relationship with gambler because he drop the belief of everyone. Gambler if starting gambling and loss money then next step for him is always selling of useful material after which they become a criminal person who just make their family discomfort.
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November 19, 2023, 01:06:17 PM
I believe gambling is treated differently in all parts of the world, other places are so religious such that they see gambling as sin as it's a breeding ground for greed, stealing, suicide etc, in other parts of the world gambling is all fun and games and nobody has a problem with it, and in other parts of the world its new territory that has been treated as a way to make money and maybe a living from it...and if you ask me whatever comes from gambling is the responsibility of the user.

With all what's been said above, if gambling won't affect your social life if others knew you gamble then no biggie but if it can get you in trouble then better keep the habit a secret.
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November 19, 2023, 12:51:04 PM
Honestly, people in my colony, tag gambling as if it is kind of a criminal offence. It hurts many people's sentiment, religious beliefs and they are witnesses of some violence In society due to gambling. I saw many gambler who lost their mentality and become aggressive to collect capital even attacking family member after losing game. What also effects neighbours and society people badly and that's shameful activity too. That's why a person need to be a responsible gambler and need healthy mindset. Moreover, it isn't possible to change people mindset, so for avoiding problems, better to keep it secret from family and society
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November 19, 2023, 06:13:05 AM
First of... People will always have something to say about whatever you're doing, u bet if you're doing a regular job, waking up every morning, making sure you're at work at most 8 am every morning, you'd be surprised to know that people would still say shits about you, so putting other's views afront would be a very toxic decision. I'm not saying you're above criticism or you're above being adviced, all I'm saying is that you have the right to handpick the critics and don't let your life be defined by what others say or think about you. Anyways, concerning gambling, lots of people have individual reasons why they choose to keep their gambling habits confidential, I really don't think it's always about what people would feel or say about you (except you're an addict).

I want to take myself for instance, I don't go around telling people I gamble, or you won't even suspect I gamble not because I'm hiding from people's view or what their personal attitudes are about gambling or because I'm ashamed of what I do, no, I choose not to make it know simply because I live a very private life and whatever I do is my business, but if I'm ever asked if I gamble or if I'm to give advice regarding to gambling, I'd gladly do so and not deny the fact that I'm a responsible gambler.

The different reasons why we tend to keep it a secret, definitely will differ. I don't expect anyone to be the same. Yet, in the context of Op's thread, he made a nice point. Why not be open with our habit? There is a response above about, people hiding it due to the favor they'll need in future. What the helper would think of the gambler, could hinder the assistant they're meant to render to this player. Hence, it's not a must to keep it a secret, if we are, on our own, successful gamblers. Who will never ask anybody for money financially. Because when you don't have funds and need one as a gambler the person's first thought, would be he'll use the money to gamble. This is typically how people behave and it's indeed a bad attitude. So, I understand your own idea, because the way we behave still matters, even as gamblers. Not minding what people would say, is still a nice form of living our daily life. Individually, it'll sound dull not to speak about gambling when asked to, due to the response people around would create. Regarding their beliefs and religion. There exist multiple good aspects of gambling, but people fail to share it with the public. The criticism gamblers face today is because the bad publicity surpasses the good aspect of gambling. Nothing would stop me from teaching people about gambling when given the privilege. Aside that, I can only speak of gambling when I'm with a gambler. As talking to random people about gambling, can lead inexperienced people to join gambling. And when things begin to go bad, they'll redirect the blame on me, which I won't accept.
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November 19, 2023, 05:43:26 AM
The gambler had the habit of hiding of the win from the gambling sites.This was main cause of the gambler was threatened by the government to pay the cumposary taxes for the winning from the gambling sites.When the gambler was supposed to loss in the gambling sites,mostly they was blammed by the gambler friends for the loss in the gambling sites,even if they not contributed you by any money help at the time of need of loan for the game.So the gambler will not like to share to their friends for the reason their friends will start to ask loan for the individual benefit.When your friends know about your gambling involvement they will start to not give loan for you at the emergency.Because their opinion will be you are asking loan for the gambling game and loan because you had loss the dollars in gambling.
They hide their gambling activities for several reasons that you have mentioned above, gambling activities are still seen as negative which can cause financial losses and gamblers will lose many friends if they find out you have a gambling addiction, gamblers will find it difficult to ask friends for loans even if you say something honest that loans for other needs besides betting in gambling, but your loan application will be ignored because they find it difficult to trust gamblers, so it's better to keep your gambling activities a secret from anyone because you don't need to know about your personal activities.

It all depends on the person, if he has the same friends with the same habits, namely like gambling, maybe they tell each other but not with just anyone. Because if they do the same thing, for example gambling, they are easier to discuss gambling, in contrast to people who do not gamble, maybe the conversation will not connect, yes it is true because a gambler will lose money because gambling is just a bookie's game so if we are still beginners playing gambling we will be given a win so that we as novice players will be addicted by the gambler, if we are addicted, the bookie will make it difficult for us to win after that we will feel curious and that's where we will experience a financial crisis.

But it all comes back to those who have their own choices, to tell it or keep it a secret from others.
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November 19, 2023, 04:26:59 AM
First of... People will always have something to say about whatever you're doing, u bet if you're doing a regular job, waking up every morning, making sure you're at work at most 8 am every morning, you'd be surprised to know that people would still say shits about you, so putting other's views afront would be a very toxic decision. I'm not saying you're above criticism or you're above being adviced, all I'm saying is that you have the right to handpick the critics and don't let your life be defined by what others say or think about you. Anyways, concerning gambling, lots of people have individual reasons why they choose to keep their gambling habits confidential, I really don't think it's always about what people would feel or say about you (except you're an addict).

I want to take myself for instance, I don't go around telling people I gamble, or you won't even suspect I gamble not because I'm hiding from people's view or what their personal attitudes are about gambling or because I'm ashamed of what I do, no, I choose not to make it know simply because I live a very private life and whatever I do is my business, but if I'm ever asked if I gamble or if I'm to give advice regarding to gambling, I'd gladly do so and not deny the fact that I'm a responsible gambler.
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November 19, 2023, 03:04:46 AM
Many people like to gamble but no one can see the gambling of others. So if someone suffers a lot through gambling then no one wants to come forward to help him easily. Because they think that he is a gambling addict and if they give him money to help him, he will spend the money on gambling again. Because a person who gets deeply addicted to gambling can never quit gambling no matter how bad the situation is. This is why gambling should be hidden from others. To get help from others in bad situations. And at that time one dreams of giving up gambling and doing something good
Actually I would agree with you that it can be different from person to person in terms of whether they keep their gambling a secret or share it with their loved ones or family. I think there are some negative aspects to both sides, like if someone is an addicted gambler but wants to keep it a secret, there is more harm than good here. On the other hand, if someone has won a jackpot and people around him already know that he gambles, then he may suffer from jealousy. But my personal opinion is that if someone is not addicted to gambling and gambling does not have any bad effect on his personal life then I don't think there is any reason to secretly gamble.
Since gambling is a bad addiction and a bad thing in the eyes of society, I think in all cases it should be kept secret. And if you keep the matter of gambling a secret, it will not be defamed in the society.  Now gambling is very easy to keep secret because gambling can be done anywhere using a smart phone. Which is very easy to keep cigarettes from others. Especially because no one ever grabs someone's personal smartphone without permission.
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November 19, 2023, 02:52:51 AM
Many people like to gamble but no one can see the gambling of others. So if someone suffers a lot through gambling then no one wants to come forward to help him easily. Because they think that he is a gambling addict and if they give him money to help him, he will spend the money on gambling again. Because a person who gets deeply addicted to gambling can never quit gambling no matter how bad the situation is. This is why gambling should be hidden from others. To get help from others in bad situations. And at that time one dreams of giving up gambling and doing something good
Actually I would agree with you that it can be different from person to person in terms of whether they keep their gambling a secret or share it with their loved ones or family. I think there are some negative aspects to both sides, like if someone is an addicted gambler but wants to keep it a secret, there is more harm than good here. On the other hand, if someone has won a jackpot and people around him already know that he gambles, then he may suffer from jealousy. But my personal opinion is that if someone is not addicted to gambling and gambling does not have any bad effect on his personal life then I don't think there is any reason to secretly gamble.
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November 18, 2023, 04:59:18 PM
The gambler had the habit of hiding of the win from the gambling sites.This was main cause of the gambler was threatened by the government to pay the cumposary taxes for the winning from the gambling sites.When the gambler was supposed to loss in the gambling sites,mostly they was blammed by the gambler friends for the loss in the gambling sites,even if they not contributed you by any money help at the time of need of loan for the game.So the gambler will not like to share to their friends for the reason their friends will start to ask loan for the individual benefit.When your friends know about your gambling involvement they will start to not give loan for you at the emergency.Because their opinion will be you are asking loan for the gambling game and loan because you had loss the dollars in gambling.
They hide their gambling activities for several reasons that you have mentioned above, gambling activities are still seen as negative which can cause financial losses and gamblers will lose many friends if they find out you have a gambling addiction, gamblers will find it difficult to ask friends for loans even if you say something honest that loans for other needs besides betting in gambling, but your loan application will be ignored because they find it difficult to trust gamblers, so it's better to keep your gambling activities a secret from anyone because you don't need to know about your personal activities.

While it's still a questionable idea to hide our gambling habits, these things as being able to receive loans without it being tagged in the thoughts of the lender that we'll be using it for gambling. Contribute to the reason why gamblers prefer to make the decision of keeping it a secret. The society already have a bad publicity on gambling, which is a bad experience for gamblers; responsible or irresponsible. Additionally, friends wouldn't want to hire a gambler to join a business, for similar reasons attached to the societal perspective on gamblers being careless with funds. Instead of facing such realities and difficulties, it'll be better to lay it low and gamble quietly. But, its disadvantage is that when we need help, to survive addiction. The help won't be forthcoming. As the whole thing has been kept a secret. Who would be there to help and make changes. That's why, despite what people would say, its still important to open up to few trusted people about our habits. A good way to stay on a positive side of the fight. Nobody knows how their life can become. Hence, being prepared for the worse is also a good preparation.
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November 18, 2023, 04:57:26 PM
everyone has the habit of flexing and it is a very difficult thing to get rid of, even I myself sometimes want to show off my winnings when gambling lol, but in the end I avoid doing that. Hiding our gambling activities from the general public is actually a pretty good thing to do, especially since there are still many people out there who view gambling as bad behavior, those who show off their gambling winnings don't know what they are doing, they are just ruining their reputation, if we hide our gambling activities then we will get peace.
Those that are not yet done with the flexing culture, they literally have going to have hard time removing it. We all want to show off and expose our winnings because that's how it should be based on the society that we've been on.

But if we analyze and try to realize things, that shouldn't be done. All of our winnings must be kept a secret and no one should know it unless you are close to someone.

Whether you like flexing or not but if you do, make sure that you're aware of the potential consequences of it.
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November 18, 2023, 04:53:40 PM
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But why continue in what you're not proud of by keeping it secret cause maybe you're worried about what people may say, how their thoughts about your person might change. Or how you might loose ties with someone you hold dear to. And many other reasons that follows.

Those that keep their gambling habit a secret is it that they're not proud of what they are doing?.

Gamblers have a habit of keeping silent about their hobby if they gamble, but simply lose money and waste time, receiving only emotions in return from the gambling service.
And if a gambler is successful, it will be difficult for him to keep his mouth shut with his friends, because as a rule, those who love their personality, those who are self-centered, stay in gambling. And such people really love to show off to others and receive praise and recognition. Perhaps this is even more valuable to these gamblers than money. After all, in fact, money is just a side step, but emotions and things are the ultimate goals of a gambler.

everyone has the habit of flexing and it is a very difficult thing to get rid of, even I myself sometimes want to show off my winnings when gambling lol, but in the end I avoid doing that. Hiding our gambling activities from the general public is actually a pretty good thing to do, especially since there are still many people out there who view gambling as bad behavior, those who show off their gambling winnings don't know what they are doing, they are just ruining their reputation, if we hide our gambling activities then we will get peace.
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November 18, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
The gambler had the habit of hiding of the win from the gambling sites.This was main cause of the gambler was threatened by the government to pay the cumposary taxes for the winning from the gambling sites.When the gambler was supposed to loss in the gambling sites,mostly they was blammed by the gambler friends for the loss in the gambling sites,even if they not contributed you by any money help at the time of need of loan for the game.So the gambler will not like to share to their friends for the reason their friends will start to ask loan for the individual benefit.When your friends know about your gambling involvement they will start to not give loan for you at the emergency.Because their opinion will be you are asking loan for the gambling game and loan because you had loss the dollars in gambling.
They hide their gambling activities for several reasons that you have mentioned above, gambling activities are still seen as negative which can cause financial losses and gamblers will lose many friends if they find out you have a gambling addiction, gamblers will find it difficult to ask friends for loans even if you say something honest that loans for other needs besides betting in gambling, but your loan application will be ignored because they find it difficult to trust gamblers, so it's better to keep your gambling activities a secret from anyone because you don't need to know about your personal activities.
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November 18, 2023, 03:48:25 PM

A very common human behavior on which it would really be just that a normal act that you would really be that secretive when it comes to your losses because we dont really like on being teased out or being that blamed or having those kind of looking down kind of impression towards us because we are involving with gambling. Whether we do like it or not on which people would be always having that kind of common impression that people dealing up with gambling are really those people who are really that bad also and this is one of the reason on why we do really keep our
gambling activity to be a secret and wont really be that tending to share or expose it out.

I agree into that point that whenever we do hit up some big or huge wins then our mouth is really that too tempting to share or boast up on the current condition you are in.
Most likely you would be sharing up into your friends but on the time that they would be asking some bonus or amount then you would be just
simply running away or be silent.  Grin

The gambler had the habit of hiding of the win from the gambling sites.This was main cause of the gambler was threatened by the government to pay the cumposary taxes for the winning from the gambling sites.When the gambler was supposed to loss in the gambling sites,mostly they was blammed by the gambler friends for the loss in the gambling sites,even if they not contributed you by any money help at the time of need of loan for the game.So the gambler will not like to share to their friends for the reason their friends will start to ask loan for the individual benefit.When your friends know about your gambling involvement they will start to not give loan for you at the emergency.Because their opinion will be you are asking loan for the gambling game and loan because you had loss the dollars in gambling.
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November 18, 2023, 03:35:17 PM
We live in a society where people have different views about something and these views could be drawn based on different constituent like personal sentiment, religion, ideology and experience. And speaking of gamble there are those that view it as an irresponsible activity to embark on and whoever is into it is tag as irresponsible guy, for some it beyond being irresponsible but a sin something that is evil,  while some others out of an ugly experience of a loved one that got ruined by it due to extreme addiction.

These factors has made a number of gamblers to keep their gambling habit a secret doing all they could not to let friends and family  know they gamble. And it does seem like they ain't proud of what they're doing.

But why continue in what you're not proud of by keeping it secret cause maybe you're worried about what people may say, how their thoughts about your person might change. Or how you might loose ties with someone you hold dear to. And many other reasons that follows.

Those that keep their gambling habit a secret is it that they're not proud of what they are doing?.

Gamblers have a habit of keeping silent about their hobby if they gamble, but simply lose money and waste time, receiving only emotions in return from the gambling service.
And if a gambler is successful, it will be difficult for him to keep his mouth shut with his friends, because as a rule, those who love their personality, those who are self-centered, stay in gambling. And such people really love to show off to others and receive praise and recognition. Perhaps this is even more valuable to these gamblers than money. After all, in fact, money is just a side step, but emotions and things are the ultimate goals of a gambler.
A very common human behavior on which it would really be just that a normal act that you would really be that secretive when it comes to your losses because we dont really like on being teased out or being that blamed or having those kind of looking down kind of impression towards us because we are involving with gambling. Whether we do like it or not on which people would be always having that kind of common impression that people dealing up with gambling are really those people who are really that bad also and this is one of the reason on why we do really keep our
gambling activity to be a secret and wont really be that tending to share or expose it out.

I agree into that point that whenever we do hit up some big or huge wins then our mouth is really that too tempting to share or boast up on the current condition you are in.
Most likely you would be sharing up into your friends but on the time that they would be asking some bonus or amount then you would be just
simply running away or be silent.  Grin
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