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As unfair as it seems, casinos do have a right to ban players for winning too much. Even Dana White has complained about getting banned from several casinos because they didn’t want him to win too much.

In the case of your friend they weren’t banned for winning too much, they were banned for multi-accounting. They should have just waited until they removed the limits from his account instead of breaking the rules so he could make larger bets. If they were suspicious of him before, this would’ve just given them an excuse to ban him. They could have also kept his funds but they actually gave him an opportunity to withdraw in a year, which seems like a reasonable compromise.

That's impractical for this online casino to do that on players, they're pushing potential customers aways to play on their gambling site. Yes we do understand that there's several instances that multi accounting really existed but to those that's confirmed doing so. Winning players should be provided with welfare and protected of his rights for his funds, because the day he/she lost many times doesn't pay off a rewards if I'm not mistaken.
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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

A good and reputable casino won't choose that option but rather give them freedom to gamble. But for some reason, this person would be in question for that scenario because it is not usual to see a gamble win many times for example in 3 wins every week or even winning every day. Without any possible cheating that is impossible and banning him/her may not be the best option but it will be considered especially when it shows suspicion.
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Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?
Of course, it is business, and casinos prefer to see gamblers keep on losing rather than winning.
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Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.
Exactly, these casinos have the right to kick someone or ban someone especially if they violate some rules.

But there are some casinos still have issues even you are not violating any rules, that's given, especially you are really winning and they hate you, it's kinda natural but very rare case for me.
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As unfair as it seems, casinos do have a right to ban players for winning too much. Even Dana White has complained about getting banned from several casinos because they didn’t want him to win too much.

In the case of your friend they weren’t banned for winning too much, they were banned for multi-accounting. They should have just waited until they removed the limits from his account instead of breaking the rules so he could make larger bets. If they were suspicious of him before, this would’ve just given them an excuse to ban him. They could have also kept his funds but they actually gave him an opportunity to withdraw in a year, which seems like a reasonable compromise.
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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?
When you're winning, the casino is losing, when you are losing, the casino is winning.

The thing is, they wouldn't limit you if you just win a couple of games, but if you are staking high amounts and winning continuously on the spin, they have no choice but to limit you to a certain amount, that way they reduce your payout if you win and their losses in the process. That being said, if you break any of their rules, you're going to be banned and the next action your friend took is against their rules, so he can't have too many complaints.
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Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.
I my opinion, a casino being happy that you as a gambler is making losses rather than wins is a relative analysis in the sense that if a gambler is losses not only is he running at a loss, but the casino as well as other gamblers are trailing towards a win. The reason is quite simple. It is also from the losses of some gamblers that the casino is able to fund the wins of some other gambler.
The whole stuff is also some sort of money circulation the fact is if casino is getting too frequent wins than losses that they are unable to manage , they would definitely run into loss and fold up. Likewise, if the gamblers are all losing they will end up stopping their gambling activities on that particular casino and if their are no customers the casino will also likely fold up.

The case that OP raised is quite different from a real casino game. It specifically concerns a sportsbook that accepts sports bets, and sportsbooks do not gamble against bettors; they only facilitate the bets that come from both sides. Their normal income comes from the juice, which is usually 10% and higher. Their job is just to balance the bets so they end up with a good commission.

Actually, other sportsbooks don't limit bets unless the bet is too huge. But for a $500 bet, I think they can balance that easily, as per game or action there are a lot of bettors betting on it, so it's easy for that amount to balance, and the casino would still earn an income regardless of the outcome of the game or even if a certain user keeps winning.
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A casinos goal is to make money. No other way to put it. If a player is always winning, they are not making anything from that player.

With that being said, it is my understanding that the providers are the ones limiting the player, not the casino.

Your "friend" should not try to bypass a casinos terms no matter what the situation is. Start betting different sports or something, but never make a new account to bypass limits.
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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?
If I have a casino and I notice a particular user has been winning games without losing any single one, I will have to pay close attention to that user as such acts appear very suspicious and I need to look into them. I will then check if there is any special tool that he is using to manipulate the game and how he makes his game selection.
 
If I have done that, I see no difference in his method of bet from others. The only thing I will do in order for him not to send me out of business is to limit the amount he can wager and the amount that he can win on a single bet, but I'm not going to restrict him from playing in my casino; that will be unfair.
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That's really unfair, and I'm sure he gambled at a casino that has a bad reputation, and I would ask if there are measures to just make sure that it is a trusted casino by looking at its reputation first before he finally decides to bet at the casino? If not, then that's the consequence that we don't get justice when we are really lucky by getting a lot of lucky wins, even though the casino promises to pay it but if it takes a year to be able to cash out the winnings then I think a gambler will still feel disappointed.

On the other hand despite everything I think it is really a very concerning situation and surely he is very disappointed with the service of the casino, because the casino should behave fairly which is simply that if there is one gambler who has won a lot of consecutive wins then the casino should have a good responsibility to pay the gambler according to the amount won and at the right time without any delay in payment, especially in that case he did not commit any fraudulent acts at all. In conclusion, I think this incident can be used as a lesson for gamblers to first check the reputation of the casino to ensure that you are involved in a trusted casino.

I also don't think it will happen in big casinos like stake. And the amount was not so big either. So why use a small and not reputable one if you don't want to have issues like this, I am just assuming a small one. The OP said, he is a friend of his. Since he is promoting stake, why not introduce him to stake because this casino can handle huge amount of money. Just look at the amount Drake is betting on this site.
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OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

That's really unfair, and I'm sure he gambled at a casino that has a bad reputation, and I would ask if there are measures to just make sure that it is a trusted casino by looking at its reputation first before he finally decides to bet at the casino? If not, then that's the consequence that we don't get justice when we are really lucky by getting a lot of lucky wins, even though the casino promises to pay it but if it takes a year to be able to cash out the winnings then I think a gambler will still feel disappointed.

On the other hand despite everything I think it is really a very concerning situation and surely he is very disappointed with the service of the casino, because the casino should behave fairly which is simply that if there is one gambler who has won a lot of consecutive wins then the casino should have a good responsibility to pay the gambler according to the amount won and at the right time without any delay in payment, especially in that case he did not commit any fraudulent acts at all. In conclusion, I think this incident can be used as a lesson for gamblers to first check the reputation of the casino to ensure that you are involved in a trusted casino.
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OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?
It is a business so you should know how to limit your loss, and also your friend should have read the sites TOS if it is against it to create multiple account.
I also think that these kind of incident doesn't only happen online but also in casinos, there are people who are ban for some reasons.
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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

In situations I have witnessed; a consistent winner in gambling setting, either sports betting or casino do not get banned; instead it is their staking power that gets reduced drastically.

By staking power I mean how much such gambler can bet per game on that platform. I want to believe it is constitutionally wrong to ban a player in a gambling website for just wining too much
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OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

Casino operators are in for business, if they allow customers to win without limits, they might go bankrupt. Is it not better to place such limits than allow customers to win and there's no money to pay them? I'll do same if I have a casino.The gambler deserves whatever punishment given to him for trying to play smart with the casino. This should discourage him and many others who deliberately try to use tricks on casinos.

I must say the gambler in question is really lucky with being too greedy. I was expecting the story to end at where he lost all the money he won to gambling again but it didn't happen anyway. Atleast, he still has a chance of withdrawing his winnings in one year time. He is a skilled but not-too-smart gambler.
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Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.
Casino can never be in profits if someone is winning consistently, so it’s obvious that the casino will eventually make something about it, either to limit his bet or ban him for some time. And there’s nothing a bettor can do for that since the casino owner has the right to do everything on his own business. And please, saying to come back after 365 days is only an excuse, but to be honest, don’t count for that anymore. I find it taking your profits after a year will never be possible anymore, something that you can’t do nothing since you obviously go against with their TOS.
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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

A business is a business. All casinos cap the wins to keep things going.  

There is nothing strange in that story with your friend. Something similar would happen at any other casino, except, as you said yourself, he should not have created a new account to bypass the restriction. This is a clear violation of the terms of use and they have every right to block his accounts. There's not much to complain about, unfortunately.
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OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?
Cause they see people who win in a setting where they expect everyone to lose as deviants to the system, and if they leave them alone they might run them dry and bankrupt their business, matter of fact that's basically their business model, to entice and invite as much losers as possible in order to earn more money. Think of it this way, you got yourself an unli-buffalo chicken restaurant business and instead of making bank you're losing money because there's this one guy who's a competitive eater, who always eats more than the regular paying customer, for the same amount of money they fork out.

If I were to own a casino, I would impose such bans as well, disguise it as measures taken to prevent cheating, and then make sure that deviants who keep winning off of my games are kept out, so as to ensure that my business stays up.

Also would make sense for them to ban your friend cause from your story it seems like he was able to access an exploit or perhaps make bank off of a poorly-coded game that grants him all the wins he wants, and it could be the case that he could entice people into playing these particular games to make bank and earn off of it, which is bad for business.
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This story is so motivational and makes me to think why am limited to these kind of luck. I have not witnessed such a situation where a gambler is continuously winning the casino that they had to ban his account but if I was to own a casino, I will also limite the amount of money such gambler can stake with because if I don't put a limit on his account and he decides to gamble with a very huge amount and peradventure he win, it is going to be a huge lose for my casino. That's why I will limit his staking amount.
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after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time
I hope you know that when you win at a particular casino, it’s always affecting their own profits. They don’t always want their customers to win, so that’s why they decided to place a limit on your friend's account, but to me, it doesn’t make any sense for them to limit the amount your friend can gamble with, if your friend was losing, they wouldn’t have placed any limit on the amount he can gamble with. If I am your friend, then I will stop using the gambling site.

but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet
Your friend should have just given other casinos a trial, must he keep on using the casino that’s limiting his account? And even if your friend wants to keep gambling on the casino site, he should have used different devices and different amount of money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
No, I won’t do that as long as the customer doesn’t violate any rules. Any casino that can do that is not really a reputable casino. As long as it’s not in the rules that if you keep on winning constantly, your account will be banned or limited.
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Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.

Casinos have every right to restrict winning customers as they are running a profit-oriented business. Your argument seems quite logical where you say that casinos favor losing players because it means more money for them. They can set their own rules, which include limiting those players who frequently emerge victorious. In other words, casinos reserve the right to cut out the winners from their game.

Creating more than one account is called “multi-accounting”, which is an illegal act, and it goes against the rules of casino's Terms of Service (TOS). In this light, I believe every gambler should be aware that casinos have high-security systems in place to detect any suspicious activity or violations. Multi-accounting, where players open multiple accounts in order to outsmart the casino system, is considered a grave offense by casinos. They adopt this measure with the objective of precluding any abuse towards them and to guarantee equitable play for all participants in the game.
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I think that it is hypocrisy on the part of casino owners not to allow someone on a winning streak to continue gambling, but it's ok to allow a serial loser to continue gambling. This goes to show that they're not happy when their customers are constantly winning their bets and keeps coming back to win more, I guess they're just like other shrewd business owners who likes to collect from others and feels bad when they have to give out. The only justifiable reason why I feel that they do this is because in most gambles, you bet a little money to stand a chance to win so much more, it's mostly not a 50 50 situation.
Winning is a big threat to casinos itself, and if you are winning most of the time it can be a red flag to casinos and seriously, this is happening and some are just doing this discreetly as they limit your account without you noticing it whole some site are doing this while informing you. The casinos have the right to do this as long as it is on their terms and conditions but if its not, then that casinos is suspicious. Winning too much in casinos might trigger their alarm.
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