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June 10, 2013, 09:18:34 PM
#54
Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.

1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on...
Yep. And thats for what, 100-200W? Imagine the density of some of the designs we've seen here.

Not all 1U servers are 100W... or 200W... come on. Average what 200 to 400W.

And I guess I shouldn't have bogarted the thread with a 1U server... we are supposed to be talking K16 Casing.
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June 10, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
#53
Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.

1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on...
Yep. And thats for what, 100-200W? Imagine the density of some of the designs we've seen here.
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June 10, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
#52
Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.

1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on...

What is the difference between the heat sinks proposed and those?

Not going to care much about the noise... it will be 3rd floor till I can find a permanent home. Given the talks I have had with a local GPU farmer we are probably going to go into together and rent out space and create a farm center. Again I will test it out and see what we get and I am toying with the idea of having a local aluminum shop fabricate a my chassis as it would be cheaper. Again given the constraints and the heat once you get enough of these in one room you have to go to liquid cooling of some sort. At that point I think mineral oil is the best method and commercial cooling / chiller tower set up on the roof.

I will keep you posted on the build. I am also going to build the K64 Cube or maybe even a K96 Hexagon.

Really love that triangle based prism concept as well.
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June 10, 2013, 09:06:47 PM
#51
Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.

1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on...
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June 10, 2013, 09:01:04 PM
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I really don't think this is the "venturi" layout you're looking for. There is no significant reduction in cross section, just a hell of a lot of turbulent flow. I really think that even with a middle row of fans you'd struggle to remove that crazy amount of heat from there.

It is smooth not very turbulent through the fins it is basically less turbulent than the Avalon design given the proximate distance to the fins and as the fans are face mounted this will provide a much more stable and direct airflow across the fins even without baffles. Unless you have a simulator shows airflow I suspect you are speculating just as much as I am?

Testing this will not be an issue since the modular design of the boards means break down and re-configuring is simple. So I will be testing it with and without baffles to see what happens and get temp readings. Having a larger opening (volume) at the front and smaller space (volume) at the back along with having 2 banks of fans I don't think there will be any issues given this is based right off other server designs with a lot more obstruction of the airflow. I don't see this being an issue at all but again I will test it out and provide feed back. If it works I'll throw up the SketchUp plans so people can modify them for KICAD or what not be keen to see others work on this as well.

Not been stalking for a while. I'm not going to simulate this in CFD, because there are way too many variables to make the simulations tell us ANYTHING useful.

'Turbulence' essentially = Reynolds number, and is a function of length travelling over a surface. For heatsinks this large/long/arranged in a pattern, you're well into turbulent flow at any sensible air flow. You're going to need a hell of a lot of pressure to maintain the airflow you need to maintain the heat transfer you need, especially as the effective ambient will probably be 50C for the 2nd+ bank. Heat transfer is a function of temp difference, so each time you try and remove heat with the same air, it gets harder and harder.

The difference to commercial servers is:
1) Typically use centrifugal blowers, much higher air pressure [required to overcome frictional losses]
2) Are VERY VERY VERY VERY noisy, because the airflows required are insane.

Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.
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June 10, 2013, 08:38:14 PM
#49
Here's an idea I had. It's not really feasible since the heat sinks aren't readily available and would be crazy stupid to custom make. It was fun to put it together in Sketchup though.


When you put four together, they create a tunnel:

I got over my Apple obsession years ago, but I still like to keep up on their new stuff. You seen the new MacPro? The round one? It's new "Unified Thermal Core" uses a triangular heatsink that splits the heat between the CPUs and GPUs, and blows air up thru the center. Very similar to the idea you have here.



I would consider this worth looking into more.
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June 06, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
#48
Made a Reference thread for DIY Klondike peoples.

I can compile all the important info and people can discuss how they want below. I will update often.

See now, that's cheating. You're making a subforum in a thread. Sheeshh. Next you'll claim it was your idea from the start Wink

You made me look.... damn YOU!

Back to the case design thread....

Anyone got any other off the shelf cases?
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June 06, 2013, 02:30:01 PM
#47
Made a Reference thread for DIY Klondike peoples.

I can compile all the important info and people can discuss how they want below. I will update often.

See now, that's cheating. You're making a subforum in a thread. Sheeshh. Next you'll claim it was your idea from the start Wink
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June 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
#46
Made a Reference thread for DIY Klondike peoples.

I can compile all the important info and people can discuss how they want below. I will update often.
KS
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June 06, 2013, 01:21:46 PM
#45
Might be good to consolidate all our various extra Klondike threads to one.

1. Casings
2. Controllers
3. PSUs and cabling
4. Firmware  / Mining Software
5. Miscellaneous
6. DIY Build information
7. Pricing and sourcing of PCB, BOM, etc.
8. Heat sinks and cooling


Yikes, can you imagine the noise in that thread with all the different topics. Methinks this might/should turn into its own subforum.

No not really... better to have slow and fast together... one repository. Harder to follow all these different threads especially with some of these get buried and lost especially with all the hate mail BFL threads messing up this subforum.

I'd prefer we house all the best information for the Klondike build in one thread.

+1 this is better than having that in the main thread...  but "4. Firmware  / Mining Software" would probably belong to main thread... dunno...

another idea could be spin off per topic threads, and getting bkk to list them in the OP of the main thread.  OR make a new master thread started by someone quite invested in Klondike (im looking at you Bicknellski  Roll Eyes ) . Where the first post can be summary of options, etc as the discussions continue. That way a new comer can simply read one place with links to individual threads if needed.

Having everything in one place has some drawbacks also. I may not be interested in all topics listed. For example im following the case topic simply out of curiosity and will not be interested if it gets information overload. I will most likely not use a case.  Im not worried much about topics sinking deep since i "watch" posts...

And if you're following more than one topic, the read becomes difficult. You need to jump posts to read on one topic then backtrack wherever the other one starts, again jump other posts, then jump back again for 3rd topic, etc. There are already 8 topics in the short list. This will get confusing really fast.

How about making 8 "official" threads instead? (I would still prefer a subforum, this is tuning into its own little community)
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June 06, 2013, 01:13:19 PM
#44
Might be good to consolidate all our various extra Klondike threads to one.

1. Casings
2. Controllers
3. PSUs and cabling
4. Firmware  / Mining Software
5. Miscellaneous
6. DIY Build information
7. Pricing and sourcing of PCB, BOM, etc.
8. Heat sinks and cooling


Yikes, can you imagine the noise in that thread with all the different topics. Methinks this might/should turn into its own subforum.

No not really... better to have slow and fast together... one repository. Harder to follow all these different threads especially with some of these get buried and lost especially with all the hate mail BFL threads messing up this subforum.

I'd prefer we house all the best information for the Klondike build in one thread.

+1 this is better than having that in the main thread...  but "4. Firmware  / Mining Software" would probably belong to main thread... dunno...

another idea could be spin off per topic threads, and getting bkk to list them in the OP of the main thread.  OR make a new master thread started by someone quite invested in Klondike (im looking at you Bicknellski  Roll Eyes ) . Where the first post can be summary of options, etc as the discussions continue. That way a new comer can simply read one place with links to individual threads if needed.

Having everything in one place has some drawbacks also. I may not be interested in all topics listed. For example im following the case topic simply out of curiosity and will not be interested if it gets information overload. I will most likely not use a case.  Im not worried much about topics sinking deep since i "watch" posts...
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June 06, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
#43
Here's an idea I had. It's not really feasible since the heat sinks aren't readily available and would be crazy stupid to custom make. It was fun to put it together in Sketchup though.


When you put four together, they create a tunnel:


I like this,
1 mod I would suggest is make the surface area of each pin equal.
That would mean that the shorter pins were progressively fatter.
That may give a more even heat draw from the board, also more even heat dissipation.

cheers,
Kev
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June 06, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
#42
Might be good to consolidate all our various extra Klondike threads to one.

1. Casings
2. Controllers
3. PSUs and cabling
4. Firmware  / Mining Software
5. Miscellaneous
6. DIY Build information
7. Pricing and sourcing of PCB, BOM, etc.
8. Heat sinks and cooling


Yikes, can you imagine the noise in that thread with all the different topics. Methinks this might/should turn into its own subforum.

No not really... better to have slow and fast together... one repository. Harder to follow all these different threads especially with some of these get buried and lost especially with all the hate mail BFL threads messing up this subforum.

I'd prefer we house all the best information for the Klondike build in one thread.
KS
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June 06, 2013, 12:55:05 PM
#41
Might be good to consolidate all our various extra Klondike threads to one.

1. Casings
2. Controllers
3. PSUs and cabling
4. Firmware  / Mining Software
5. Miscellaneous
6. DIY Build information
7. Pricing and sourcing of PCB, BOM, etc.
8. Heat sinks and cooling


Yikes, can you imagine the noise in that thread with all the different topics. Methinks this might/should turn into its own subforum.
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June 06, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
#39
Might be good to consolidate all our various extra Klondike threads to one.

1. Casings
2. Controllers
3. PSUs and cabling
4. Firmware  / Mining Software
5. Miscellaneous
6. DIY Build information
7. Pricing and sourcing of PCB, BOM, etc.
8. Heat sinks and cooling
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June 06, 2013, 03:53:51 AM
#38


There are definitely extrusions for your K64 Cube! This one is inside out Tosku.

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June 05, 2013, 06:46:05 AM
#37
So Tosku... with your K64 Cube... where does the controller go? Interested to see that fit in the design and power supply.

It doesn't go anywhere. I designed the case thinking the controller and PSU would be modular, external units. If you wanted to, you could fasten a simple controller on the side of the cube.
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June 05, 2013, 04:25:09 AM
#36
So can a Raspberry Pi, Arduino or BeagleBone run this server or the K64 Cube can you put it somewhere in your modular design?

An Arduino won't cut it, at least not a regular Uno or Due. There is an Arduino board that also has a Linux PC on board that might work, but a regular mini PC like a Raspberry Pi is way cheaper than that board. The cheapest mining-capable embedded Linux system that I know of is the TP-LINK TL-WR703N router. It can be had for ~30 EUR. It's used in the Avalon miners.

So Tosku... with your K64 Cube... where does the controller go? Interested to see that fit in the design and power supply.
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June 05, 2013, 03:25:09 AM
#35
So can a Raspberry Pi, Arduino or BeagleBone run this server or the K64 Cube can you put it somewhere in your modular design?

An Arduino won't cut it, at least not a regular Uno or Due. There is an Arduino board that also has a Linux PC on board that might work, but a regular mini PC like a Raspberry Pi is way cheaper than that board. The cheapest mining-capable embedded Linux system that I know of is the TP-LINK TL-WR703N router. It can be had for ~30 EUR. It's used in the Avalon miners.
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