Topic: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness - page 2. (Read 5818 times)

Nope. They didn't reply to my email regarding order placement and shipment but they did to another guy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2376984

And placement is not done by actual payment, not at the moment at least

Bullpucky. When *I* pay matters a lot. The fact I already paid puts me ahead of any non-golden-500 person who didn't pay before I did, I thought they actually wrote that somewhere? Or was that baseless hearsay posted by some random troll?

Heck it probably even puts me behind any non-golden-500 person who buys a slot off a slot-scalper, but that is fair in capitalism isn't it? They who fork over the gold get the golden tickets? Assuming they offer enough to convince those who actually found the things to sell them?

-MarkM-

exactly, there is no clearly defined fair process and when you pay at the moment does not matter

He is the OP and is whining like a little bitch.

He thinks the first 500 get the machines for free and will totally devastate the whole bitcoin community with its hashing megapowers.

Grow a pair and stop whining.

I did? Oh sorry then. I had the impression a person is in that first 500 or not, unless they fail to pay, and that some (well, one anyway) who didn't make the cut doesn't like that.

Are you saying it doesn't matter how long I, as a non-first-500 person, dilly dally and blather before paying, because I somehow won't end up behind more and more non first 500 people who actually fork over the money?

Or is OP one of the lucky 500 and doesn't feel that is fair so wants to raffle off his position free to make things fairer, or something?

Aha maybe you mean the five people who spammed the queue with 100 email addresses each since there was no cost to pay to get in then are going to cause billions of units to be ahead of us because anyone having the foresight to spam orders obviously would have some massive ones in there knowing there will be folks looking to spend millions? So we are not 500 units behind but maybe more like 500,000 units behind if we are lucky?

(If I was running the thing and had time to read those slots for sale posts I'd sure as heck scrap "duplicate" orders, at least the directly in a row duplicates. Like hey, you are one person, schmuck, out of first 500 people, I dont care if you have 500 email addresses or what...)

-MarkM-

You totally missed how they assign places

I am wondering quite how you deduce that.

These guys aren't BFL, to whom 400 units a day actually means maybe a few a week on a good week.

How many places in line are you missing out on by blathering on the forum instead of paying for product?

Supposing it takes 500 units to fill a UPS truck, is BFL so totally full of BS that actually the entire idea anyone could churn out 400 units a day is craziness, an obvious lie, such utter bull that no one ever believed for a moment anyone, least of all BFL, could churn out so many so fast?

Or was it kind of a believable number, a yeah sure a well organised outfit should be able to pull that off number, a number, in other words, that maybe might even give some gleam of hope that maybe someone who really did know their stuff might be able to churn out 500 a day?

If so oh my gosh, how unfair to have to be on the next day's truck instead of the first day's truck!

If not well oh my gosh what are we talking here, like, a no truck day between each truck day? Or are you thinking even worse than that?

Meanwhile how many truckloads got bought with actual cash payments since I ordered a Saturn quite some number of hours ago?

Maybe every hour that passes is a whole 'nother day you'll have to wait for your unit(s)? Maybe two days? Three?

Just how bad exactly do you think the actual mass production-and-shipping run is going to be?

I admit I do not know what these concerns are grounded in exactly.

Did I miss a post where they explained they only get enough millimeters of a shared wafer each semester to produce 500 units in the fall, another 500 sometime in the winter, and maybe faster in the spring if they had been able to place enough pre-orders for wafer space by then or something?

-MarkM-

Then show me this majority you keep on talking about this in this thread you created that is siding with you.

Do the poll and see how many support the idea of the few ones to get all the reward vs lottery placement

I think everyone is saying in your thread, you are a sore loser and you should start being responsible for your own actions and inactions.

And do read this carefully, you are the only and I mean only person complaining. Everyone else is okay with what they are doing. Everyone has disagreed with what you are saying.

Then you should be fine with the lottery placement, right? There won't be that much of time difference.

Presuming things go as they planned, there won't be a huge time difference between the 1-500 orders and the rest.

It won't be the Avalon model with a large time gap between batches, and it won't be the bfl model of a few at a time, it should be a constant stream of large deliveries.

You could even say that the more pre-orders they get the better they can adapt their processes to deliver more and faster.

Hi, not sure if was already mentioned but:
KncMiner wrote me that we need to wait 7 days (counting from the day they opened the order book) before they are able to tell us which place we have in the queue

I'm not at all disappointed, rather astounded how they can do business like that and people follow like sheep.
BFL story all round.

READ THIS CAREFULLY: unfair process is when everyone invests the same but few reap the reward.

Let kncminer go with 500 orders first and when the product is done sell the next batch, how Avalon did. Then the early adopters will be rewarded for the risk. If I was in the first 500 I'd be fine with that.

If they want all money, they need to run a lottery or wait for all the devices to come before giving one to anyone.

Guys I have order 4277 what discounts can I have?

see troll dance... see how he spin...  DONT FEED THE TROLL!!!!

And that's a very shortsighted view on the business, a better view is when there is a win-win situation.
We can still change it around, doing lottery on the 500 spots.
Otherwise many won't order and the funds can get limited.

It's up to them, not me.

As I said, if you're not happy, don't order.

The let them go with 500 orders maybe? Do you need the suckers, yes or no?