La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 108.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 05, 2025, 10:11:11 AM

It's sad that most other leagues already started their games, and the only game we got was Real Madrid vs Valencia. We could have other teams playing too, the extra week gap makes no sense, we could have seen the league start back up this weekend and it would have been fun.

It's also getting a bit complicated and quite shocking too, and I believe that we are going to end up with a much better result if we end up with something else, so it is not really that weird, we should feel like the best case would be just waiting. Barcelona and ATM and Real are all pretty close to each other, Barcelona on a bad momentum I know, but they are still not that far away, and with Olmo stuff, they must be feeling like they need a win to help fans forget about how they sucked on that move.

I agree. The La Liga is starting really late. Next week there are even missing games to be played. Next round games are decided to be played on January 17th normally.

I also think there is no need for such a big break. Barcelona and Real Madrid are going to continue from where they left really late while Atletico Madrid start the league games earlier.

It would be really epic if Atletico Madrid win the La Liga title this season. Roll Eyes

It is a really difficult work to do for Simeone's students but not impossible. It would be his 3rd La Liga title with Atletico Madrid as well.

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Quote from: hahay on January 05, 2025, 12:33:51 PM

If Vinicius really can't control his emotions in every match, then I'm afraid his career will also decline. Because after all, it seems like no matter how great Vinicius' skills are, because if Vinicius always has a bad impact on the team, then the team will not just stay silent and of course will act accordingly. I'm afraid, that temperamental attitude is because Vinicius may be too racist and that also happened to Balotelli in the past until his career was ruined just because he was very temperamental and detrimental to the team. So, it doesn't matter whether Vinicius has good potential with his young age, because the team will still be able to find a replacement.

I think we started noticing the temperamental side of Vini jnr when Madrid had a game against this same Valencia some seasons back when the fans were making racist chants on him and just like you said, this attitude of his could cost him greatly if it's not worked on.
Vinicius wasn't this ferocious when benzema was around but now it's as if the fact that he's amongst the oldest player to have stayed at the club is what is giving him that flex, I just don't know.

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Lewandowski has indeed performed well this season, scoring goals in almost every match he has played so far and now he has collected the most goals among other goal scorers and the gap is also quite far, while Mbappe and Vinicius Jr are already quite far behind, I am not sure they are able to catch up with the number of goals achieved by Lewandowski, if there is no injury or decline in Lewandowski's performance, I am sure he will be the top scorer this season.

Hansi Flick has brought a lot of improvement to Barcelona, their goal productivity so far has reached 51 goals, Lewandowski and Raphina contributed half of it. Vinicius was disturbed by injury, so it is natural that his current goal tally is still half of Lewandowski. Meanwhile, Mbappe, many still assume that the former PSG striker needs more time to appear fertile in Real Madrid front line. However, the 10 goals that have been frozen, indicate that he has improved since joining Real Madrid. Lewandowski chances of becoming La Liga top scorer this season are wide open, but what is more important than individual awards is helping his team return to the top of the standings.

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Quote from: mamesso on January 05, 2025, 10:08:35 AM

If the reason he acted like that was just to bring down the opposing players' mentality, it really doesn't make sense because his emotions always spike when his team has difficulty winning. In the previous match, when facing Atletico, he also had a tense encounter with Koke and the incident caused a stir some time ago. Vinicius temperament is very high, his attitude will be very detrimental to Real Madrid because when the team needs his energy he cannot be played due to a red card.

A player who has certain skills like Vinicius should not have emotions that always soar when he is in a match, because it is very clear that this will be very detrimental to the team and also himself. I even think something like that is very ridiculous for a player because he has to accept a ban from playing just because he likes to get angry and cannot control his emotions well.

If Vinicius really can't control his emotions in every match, then I'm afraid his career will also decline. Because after all, it seems like no matter how great Vinicius' skills are, because if Vinicius always has a bad impact on the team, then the team will not just stay silent and of course will act accordingly. I'm afraid, that temperamental attitude is because Vinicius may be too racist and that also happened to Balotelli in the past until his career was ruined just because he was very temperamental and detrimental to the team. So, it doesn't matter whether Vinicius has good potential with his young age, because the team will still be able to find a replacement.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on January 05, 2025, 11:58:43 AM

On the other hand, Real Madrid is increasingly threatened with losing its top position because Atletico Madrid has one postponed match that has not yet been played. The points gap between Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid is currently only 2 points, meaning Atletico Madrid will take over the top of the standings if they win. But what is clear is that La Liga matches are sometimes difficult to predict because some teams that are considered weak can actually stop teams that are performing well such as Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona.

I see Real Madrid losing their top position. Atletico Madrid is still ahead for the top position. Although there are incidents like the weak whales losing in La Liga, I don't see it against Atletico. It would be wrong to say that, but I see more chances of Atletico Madrid winning against Osasuna. Because on the one hand, Atletico Madrid's winning streak and on the other hand, Osasuna's draw and loss streak. I would like to say that Atletico Madrid's 3 points are sure.

There are many things that can happen on the field of play. However, recent form and consistency cannot be ignored. In La Liga, we will see the top position change as long as neither team loses or draws between Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid. When one of them draws or loses a match, we may see the top position stabilize. But if both teams maintain a winning streak, we will see the unstable situation at the top continue.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 05, 2025, 09:33:59 AM

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Yes, it's true, he still can't control his emotions and this is actually not the first case for him because he has done the same thing before. If it is said that he is still very young, I don't think so because he is already 24 years old and also has a lot of valuable experience while wearing the Real Madrid uniform and also from the seniors who have played with him. Maybe he will say a reason why he acted like that, but I hope whatever the reason he can be more mature in responding. He also has to think about his team, because the one who suffers from something like this is not only him, but his club will also definitely be harmed.

Of course, Vinicius not only harmed himself but automatically he also harmed his own team who basically needed his energy in a number of matches. Vinicius' absence means Ancelotti has to find another solution so that Real Madrid can appear consistently in many important matches to come, but I don't know exactly how many matches Vinicius will miss due to this suspension.

On the other hand, Real Madrid is increasingly threatened with losing its top position because Atletico Madrid has one postponed match that has not yet been played. The points gap between Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid is currently only 2 points, meaning Atletico Madrid will take over the top of the standings if they win. But what is clear is that La Liga matches are sometimes difficult to predict because some teams that are considered weak can actually stop teams that are performing well such as Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona.

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Quote from: Obari on January 05, 2025, 11:36:41 AM

Carlo Ancelotti needs to do some talking to Vinicius Jr about his obstinate actions towards others. He's recalcitrant to authorities and that's no good on his reputation as top player. Real Madrid main player is the Brazilian. He's always delivering the team when all hope is lost. Vinicius Jr have been absolutely the best player in the team, taking everything on his shoulders and winning titles with the club. So some respect should be put on his name. Vinicius Jr is a player that's fierce and aggressive towards oppositions. He easily get perturbed following the annoying behaviors of his opponents and we know Vini, he doesn't know how to withdraw from these scenes when they come up. He's given 4 match ban and Real Madrid making appeal already because he's important for upcoming matches.

Yes, this must be discussed so that Vini can better control his emotions because even though there may still be a feeling of disapproval because he did not start this because if we look at the replay we know that Dimitrievski was the one who started the provocation but still Vini's actions cannot be justified because he reacted quite excessively even though he should have known the consequences he would receive when something like this happened but Vini still could not control his emotions which makes this really bad for Madrid's situation if it continues to happen.

If we look at what happened, this is actually not the first time Vini has been seen emotional on the field because he does seem to have a slightly bad temper when in a match with high tension which of course must be minimized immediately so that he is seen better as a professional player.

Now the 4 match ban could even be more even though Madrid also wants to appeal but I think this is not to defend Vini but to make Vini more aware that what he did was detrimental to the club and without reducing respect for Vini I think as long as his temperament is bad like this he could not last long as a star player.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on January 05, 2025, 11:03:40 AM

We can only see what the camera shows us. Vinicius Jr. is a player who is constantly criticized by opposing players and opposing supporters. We may know Vinicius Jr. as a rude player from the outside and we think that this player has no control over his temper. But instead, you consider yourself in a situation where you are constantly being bullied, how would you react. He may not have behaved the way he did because such behavior could have cost him a 4 match ban which is a big bad news for him and his team. However, the European Football Authority should take a good look at the matter so that the players do not become victims of racism.

Carlo Ancelotti needs to do some talking to Vinicius Jr about his obstinate actions towards others. He's recalcitrant to authorities and that's no good on his reputation as top player. Real Madrid main player is the Brazilian. He's always delivering the team when all hope is lost. Vinicius Jr have been absolutely the best player in the team, taking everything on his shoulders and winning titles with the club. So some respect should be put on his name. Vinicius Jr is a player that's fierce and aggressive towards oppositions. He easily get perturbed following the annoying behaviors of his opponents and we know Vini, he doesn't know how to withdraw from these scenes when they come up. He's given 4 match ban and Real Madrid making appeal already because he's important for upcoming matches.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 05, 2025, 09:33:59 AM

Yes, it's true, he still can't control his emotions and this is actually not the first case for him because he has done the same thing before. If it is said that he is still very young, I don't think so because he is already 24 years old and also has a lot of valuable experience while wearing the Real Madrid uniform and also from the seniors who have played with him. Maybe he will say a reason why he acted like that, but I hope whatever the reason he can be more mature in responding. He also has to think about his team, because the one who suffers from something like this is not only him, but his club will also definitely be harmed.

This is a problem that Vini must solve himself because after all he must realize that in the end if Vini's emotions remain uncontrolled then indeed this will be very detrimental to himself and the club he defends, no matter how good his performance on the field but when his emotions are not well controlled then in the end he will become a player who will only harm the club he defends and Vini must realize that emotions like this can destroy his career.

I like how he plays on the pitch in terms of the determination and skill he always shows but in the end if he is still selfish by not being able to hold back his emotions then in the end this will also damage the image. regardless of the reason such as being provoked or there are internal problems, he still has to be professional as a player because he not only plays for individuals but also for the club he defends.

Now with the red card he suffered he is threatened with a 4 match suspension which makes Madrid get a loss too in the end and this is only because he cannot control the emotions he has.

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Quote from: mamesso on January 05, 2025, 10:08:35 AM

If the reason he acted like that was just to bring down the opposing players' mentality, it really doesn't make sense because his emotions always spike when his team has difficulty winning. In the previous match, when facing Atletico, he also had a tense encounter with Koke and the incident caused a stir some time ago. Vinicius temperament is very high, his attitude will be very detrimental to Real Madrid because when the team needs his energy he cannot be played due to a red card.

A player who has certain skills like Vinicius should not have emotions that always soar when he is in a match, because it is very clear that this will be very detrimental to the team and also himself. I even think something like that is very ridiculous for a player because he has to accept a ban from playing just because he likes to get angry and cannot control his emotions well.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 05, 2025, 08:20:30 AM

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La Liga: Real Madrid's Vinicius Junior Faces Possible Suspension For 12 Matches For MisconductReal Madrid striker Vinicius Junior risks a suspension of four to 12 matches for pushing the opposing team's goalkeeper stole dimitrievski
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Real Madrid striker Vinicius Junior risks a suspension of four to 12 matches for pushing the opposing team's goalkeeper Stole Dimitrievski during the 79th minute of the La Liga match against Valencia, which ended 2-1 at the Mestella. after the incident, the Brazilian player was sent off. According to Spanish La Liga regulations, such aggressive behaviour without an attempt to play the ball is punishable by suspension.
according to spanish language media outlet Mundo deportivo, Vinicius will likely receive the minimum penalty of four matches.
this could exclude him from participating in the supercopa de Espana semifinal against Mallorca, and if they advance to the final, he may miss the match against Barcelona or athletic Bbilbao.

These La Liga chiefs are bo different from those racial fans Vinicius Jr fights week in and out, game after game. Those who saw that game knew it was the Valencia goalkeeper who started it all, why is it that his actions towards Vinicius Jr first not talked about? The highlight of the game their, why laze around when they can go see it again? This is completely wrong and unacceptable, he might have his wrongs but that booking shouldn't have been a red card in the first place. I don't what it'll be like for him in the future, he will probably leave Real Madrid.

We can only see what the camera shows us. Vinicius Jr. is a player who is constantly criticized by opposing players and opposing supporters. We may know Vinicius Jr. as a rude player from the outside and we think that this player has no control over his temper. But instead, you consider yourself in a situation where you are constantly being bullied, how would you react. He may not have behaved the way he did because such behavior could have cost him a 4 match ban which is a big bad news for him and his team. However, the European Football Authority should take a good look at the matter so that the players do not become victims of racism.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on January 05, 2025, 05:20:29 AM

As far as I can see, Round 19 games are going to be played next week. I mean the missing games of so many teams. Atletico Madrid are also among them. I think their job will be really easy as long as they don't underestimate their opponent, Osasuna. There is a huge gap between them this season. I'm not even mentioning their head-to-heads. There is a big dominance by Simeone's students there as well. Wink

The odds are really low for their win though. How about Atletico Madrid win & over 2.5 goals @2.03 ? Grin

I think it can really win. There is a big chance ahead for Atletico Madrid to take the lead in the standings.

That's good multi, but i will try to change mine to the under 2.75/3 goals. A risky bet for this game, but seeing how Osasuna is quite well in defending. it gives me vibes there may not be a lot of goals to be scored by neither of clubs.

Atletico is still in a very good mentality after their narrow win against Marbella FC at Del Rey. Osassuna is gonna be difficult opponent for them.

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Quote from: Palakka on January 05, 2025, 09:55:46 AM

From many reports, the Valencia goalkeeper actually did not say anything racist in the match, because he only told Vinicius to get up and not whine for a penalty after his down in the Valencia penalty box while pulling the back collar of Vinicius' shirt, but it cannot be denied that it is also considered an act of provoking emotions and so the goalkeeper should also get a card, But regardless of the incident, I think it does need a deeper investigation, especially to ensure every player gets justice from the referee's decision, but after the incident, I hope Vinicius can learn to control his emotions and stay focused on the game, because it's not just once or twice that precisely Vinicius has often been emotional and get cards finally.

Reasons are not only from that specific situation and assume the reports are accurate about that situation, we never know what happened throughout the match before Vincius had that terrible action that certainly unacceptable and unexplainable. He deserves the red card and even more, but the proposal of 12 suspended matches, if applied after all, will be too strict and too much.

Investigation or not, I see high chance that there will be extra suspended matches on Vinicius, but how many matches are enough and don't make it unfairly to Vinicius and not like an effort to take down Real Madrid in La Liga title compeition with Atletico Madrid and Barcelona?

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It's sad that most other leagues already started their games, and the only game we got was Real Madrid vs Valencia. We could have other teams playing too, the extra week gap makes no sense, we could have seen the league start back up this weekend and it would have been fun.

It's also getting a bit complicated and quite shocking too, and I believe that we are going to end up with a much better result if we end up with something else, so it is not really that weird, we should feel like the best case would be just waiting. Barcelona and ATM and Real are all pretty close to each other, Barcelona on a bad momentum I know, but they are still not that far away, and with Olmo stuff, they must be feeling like they need a win to help fans forget about how they sucked on that move.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 05, 2025, 09:33:59 AM

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Yes, it's true, he still can't control his emotions and this is actually not the first case for him because he has done the same thing before. If it is said that he is still very young, I don't think so because he is already 24 years old and also has a lot of valuable experience while wearing the Real Madrid uniform and also from the seniors who have played with him. Maybe he will say a reason why he acted like that, but I hope whatever the reason he can be more mature in responding. He also has to think about his team, because the one who suffers from something like this is not only him, but his club will also definitely be harmed.

If the reason he acted like that was just to bring down the opposing players' mentality, it really doesn't make sense because his emotions always spike when his team has difficulty winning. In the previous match, when facing Atletico, he also had a tense encounter with Koke and the incident caused a stir some time ago. Vinicius temperament is very high, his attitude will be very detrimental to Real Madrid because when the team needs his energy he cannot be played due to a red card.

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Quote from: Palakka on January 05, 2025, 09:55:46 AM

From many reports, the Valencia goalkeeper actually did not say anything racist in the match, because he only told Vinicius to get up and not whine for a penalty after his down in the Valencia penalty box while pulling the back collar of Vinicius' shirt, but it cannot be denied that it is also considered an act of provoking emotions and so the goalkeeper should also get a card, But regardless of the incident, I think it does need a deeper investigation, especially to ensure every player gets justice from the referee's decision, but after the incident, I hope Vinicius can learn to control his emotions and stay focused on the game, because it's not just once or twice that precisely Vinicius has often been emotional and get cards finally.

The existence of provocation may be able to reduce the punishment received by Vinicius. But Vinicius' excessive response is unacceptable. Vinicius is a talented player, I think he should control his emotions and learn from his experiences. We can remember that he was also involved in several cases in the past, whether it was related to racism or whatever. He has gained a lot of experience from his career, he is a player who is relied on by Ancelotti and he must be able to control his emotions on the field.

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Quote from: Luzin on January 05, 2025, 08:00:15 AM

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One of Vinicius weaknesses due to his inability to control his emotions was again seen in the match against Valencia. Overall he has received eight yellow cards in 20 games this season, mostly for excessive protesting and was the third red card of his career.

Observing Vini's red card video should indeed have a wider investigation. In accordance with the motto of football without racism and respect. I saw the Valencia goalkeeper say to vini so angry. Vini then reacted by pushing the Valencia goalkeeper. Cleverly Dimitrievski dropped and that made the referee make a decision that I didn't think was very right. Then from a few moments, Vini should start thinking and learning to control emotions. Otherwise he will get a lot more cards in the next match. All opposing players will try to provoke him to anger and harm the team.

From many reports, the Valencia goalkeeper actually did not say anything racist in the match, because he only told Vinicius to get up and not whine for a penalty after his down in the Valencia penalty box while pulling the back collar of Vinicius' shirt, but it cannot be denied that it is also considered an act of provoking emotions and so the goalkeeper should also get a card, But regardless of the incident, I think it does need a deeper investigation, especially to ensure every player gets justice from the referee's decision, but after the incident, I hope Vinicius can learn to control his emotions and stay focused on the game, because it's not just once or twice that precisely Vinicius has often been emotional and get cards finally.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 05, 2025, 08:20:30 AM

These La Liga chiefs are bo different from those racial fans Vinicius Jr fights week in and out, game after game. Those who saw that game knew it was the Valencia goalkeeper who started it all, why is it that his actions towards Vinicius Jr first not talked about? The highlight of the game their, why laze around when they can go see it again? This is completely wrong and unacceptable, he might have his wrongs but that booking shouldn't have been a red card in the first place. I don't what it'll be like for him in the future, he will probably leave Real Madrid.

The thing is the Laliga chiefs are actually targeting the Madrid club mostly because of their continuous problems with Perez and Vinicius to me was just caught in the midst of all this and his been used as a scapegoat because of his attitude, this is the first league I will have seen them punish one player after an on field field fight between two players, if to say he actually used words that were offensive on the referee after his card the suspension talks will be justified but there isn’t any of these that he has done so best his let him serve his two or three game ban for the red card or punish the both players.

Valencia fans have been found of recent to be racially abusing ti Vinicius and if it was right I think the Laliga chiefs too shouldn’t be turning their eye off this too and should be sanctioned if the club cannot contain their fans, I don’t support Vinicius behavior one bit but we all have different ways we react to been disrespected sadly for Vinicius, retaliation is what he knows how to handle it with

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Quote from: reagansimms on January 05, 2025, 05:38:03 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 05, 2025, 04:14:44 AM

What Vini did by overreacting to what the Valencia goalkeeper did was unacceptable, and I agree that he should receive a suspension. But we also have to look at this in a broader sense, because he also acted like that because he was provoked by his opponent, and it is also very unfortunate when football is still colored by racism like what the Valencia supporters did. In my opinion, to be fairer, everyone should receive sanctions, Vini for sure, the Valencia goalkeeper and also the supporters. I think that could be a strong warning, although it might not be completely effective, but I hope La Liga can consider it.

One of Vinicius weaknesses due to his inability to control his emotions was again seen in the match against Valencia. Overall he has received eight yellow cards in 20 games this season, mostly for excessive protesting and was the third red card of his career. Vinicius actions have violated Article 104 of the RFEF Disciplinary Code which could result in a potential absence of at least 4 matches. Perhaps the reason he failed to win the Ballon d'Or was because his emotions were still unstable and he often provoked opposing players.

Yes, it's true, he still can't control his emotions and this is actually not the first case for him because he has done the same thing before. If it is said that he is still very young, I don't think so because he is already 24 years old and also has a lot of valuable experience while wearing the Real Madrid uniform and also from the seniors who have played with him. Maybe he will say a reason why he acted like that, but I hope whatever the reason he can be more mature in responding. He also has to think about his team, because the one who suffers from something like this is not only him, but his club will also definitely be harmed.

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Quote from: Catenaccio on January 05, 2025, 08:37:37 AM

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 05, 2025, 08:20:30 AM

These La Liga chiefs are bo different from those racial fans Vinicius Jr fights week in and out, game after game. Those who saw that game knew it was the Valencia goalkeeper who started it all, why is it that his actions towards Vinicius Jr first not talked about? The highlight of the game their, why laze around when they can go see it again? This is completely wrong and unacceptable, he might have his wrongs but that booking shouldn't have been a red card in the first place. I don't what it'll be like for him in the future, he will probably leave Real Madrid.

I don't defend this action of Vinicius Junior, but everything has its reasons. You posted it rightly about bad treatments against Vinicius Junior have contributions of psychological inhibition on Vinicius Junior after a long time.

He is only human with human instinct that always waits for opportunity to explode. If it turns to be a 12 match suspension for Vinicius Junior, it will become bigger than an individual suspension from La Liga but is more likely a bigger attempt against Real Madrid in this season. It can be a systematic attempt to help Barcelona in La Liga title competition by taking out one of most important players in Real Madrid for almost two-thirds of rest of the season, 12/ 19 next matches.

I think your bringing in some sentiment into this matter because vinicius did something bad and due punishment will be given so he and Madrid is not above the laws guiding the league so no body should bring in some sentiment into this matter

You implying that if vinicius is given 12 match band will be helping Barcelona win the league title is not right because this kind of talks has a long way in influencing the opinion of people who are not knowledgeable or informed about certain issues because this is a conspiracy theory

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