La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 3390.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 27, 2022, 06:44:16 AM

Actually I still feel weird when I hear that Barcelona want to bring Messi home. It doesn't mean I forbid Barcelona to do that, but they have to adapt to the current state of the team. They have cut the salaries of some players, and most recently they will cut Frenkie de Jong's salary. Isn't it selfish when it's a wish they have to achieve, but it hurts the other players on the team?

I think the Barcelona team wants Messi to retire as a Barcelona Legend so that he would become one of the coaching staff or possibly their next coach because looking at the Barcelona squad right now, I will say they have a complete team with the players they have added to the team in this transfer window. Messi left Barcelona for PSG last season because of the financial crisis the team was facing so I see no reason why the club will want him back after signing good players that will fit his position.

To me, it will be so funny to see Messi return to a team he left after accepting a pay cut but the team allowed him to move to PSG as a free transfer. De jong's case is something that I won't blame Barcelona because the club wanted him to go to Manchester United because they were interested in signing him but he rejected the offer and insisted that he remain in Barcelona so he should accept the pay cut in his salary.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on July 27, 2022, 09:54:02 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on July 24, 2022, 10:12:12 PM

Barcelona's squad is very strong. I would say their attack is the best attack in La Liga right now.

From where do you get these statistics?

They haven't even played a single match in La Liga, and Barcelona's attack is the best?
I didn't know that fans really get too carried away that easily Grin

It can't be confirmed as a deadly attack if you haven't played. Maybe fans who are very enthusiastic about Barcelona first appearance will really dream of it. It's natural but it also shouldn't be forgotten that other clubs are still contenders to consider if La Liga has already started. Not only is the squad now considered perfect but we also want to see that soon on the pitch.

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Quote from: hahay on July 27, 2022, 03:56:04 AM

But in my view the return of Messi is not about Messi's performance in matches, but only to complete the squad and hopefully can provide motivation and input to the young Barcelona squad itself. After all, before I heard about Xavi's statement that Messi should retire at Barcelona which means, Messi's return is not entirely to play for the full 90 minutes. We can see how the senior players in a club, they will not play for the full 90 minutes but to fill the situation and conditions when needed.

The return of Messi if happens, will be like a iconic activity. Barcelona must move onward without Messi. They can use Messi in two or three more seasons but they should not in order to give more opportunities to young players. Young players are future of Barcelona, not Messi.

The longer they rely on Messi, the more time they will waste to grow their young players. We knew why Thiago Alcatara decided to leave the club and made his name in Bayern Munich. He simply could not wait many years to be given opportunities.

Barcelona is already attached to Messi so this has become iconic for him, Messi is now old maybe the ideal is two more seasons he can play full time but after that he will decline a little because he is too old and Barcelona should be able to provide opportunities for better young players and productive instead of relying solely on Messi because for me it wouldn't be a good opportunity.

Still, young players must be prioritized because it is an asset for Barcelona even if Messi comes back again it is only an adhesive to motivate other players.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on July 24, 2022, 10:12:12 PM

Barcelona's squad is very strong. I would say their attack is the best attack in La Liga right now.

From where do you get these statistics?

They haven't even played a single match in La Liga, and Barcelona's attack is the best?
I didn't know that fans really get too carried away that easily Grin

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Quote from: hahay on July 27, 2022, 03:56:04 AM

But in my view the return of Messi is not about Messi's performance in matches, but only to complete the squad and hopefully can provide motivation and input to the young Barcelona squad itself. After all, before I heard about Xavi's statement that Messi should retire at Barcelona which means, Messi's return is not entirely to play for the full 90 minutes. We can see how the senior players in a club, they will not play for the full 90 minutes but to fill the situation and conditions when needed.

The return of Messi if happens, will be like a iconic activity. Barcelona must move onward without Messi. They can use Messi in two or three more seasons but they should not in order to give more opportunities to young players. Young players are future of Barcelona, not Messi.

The longer they rely on Messi, the more time they will waste to grow their young players. We knew why Thiago Alcatara decided to leave the club and made his name in Bayern Munich. He simply could not wait many years to be given opportunities.

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Quote from: hahay on July 27, 2022, 03:56:04 AM

But in my view the return of Messi is not about Messi's performance in matches, but only to complete the squad and hopefully can provide motivation and input to the young Barcelona squad itself. After all, before I heard about Xavi's statement that Messi should retire at Barcelona which means, Messi's return is not entirely to play for the full 90 minutes. We can see how the senior players in a club, they will not play for the full 90 minutes but to fill the situation and conditions when needed.

The close relationship between Messi and Barcelona so far has made it possible for Barcelona to ask Messi to return to Camp Nou easily if his contract at PSG has expired, but I agree with you, because if Messi returns later, Barcelona will no longer expect too much from Messi performance because of his age factor, besides that it is most likely that messi back to camp nou is just an attraction for other players to join barcelona, because after all there are many young star players who will interested to play in the same club with the world's best players, and most likely to become the reason barcelona wants messi back is because of financial factors, because we know messi has an attraction for barcelona fans and of course the club will get a big income from selling messi jersey later.

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Quote from: hahay on July 27, 2022, 03:56:04 AM

But in my view the return of Messi is not about Messi's performance in matches, but only to complete the squad and hopefully can provide motivation and input to the young Barcelona squad itself. After all, before I heard about Xavi's statement that Messi should retire at Barcelona which means, Messi's return is not entirely to play for the full 90 minutes. We can see how the senior players in a club, they will not play for the full 90 minutes but to fill the situation and conditions when needed.

Well overall I agree with what you said.
although in my opinion messi still has a fairly prime physique at his age which is no longer young in the world of football. even though he played till the end of the second half whistle it didn't matter to him.

As for as you said messi can return to camp nou and end his career in barcelona, he is a living legend of barcelona.
Only one more season to the end of Messi's contract at PSG. that way barcelona doesn't have to spend a budget as a dowry to bring him back to camp nou.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 27, 2022, 08:38:26 AM

Quote from: Distraction on July 27, 2022, 07:44:51 AM

Maybe Barcelona are having a great transfer window now but they really have spent incredible amount of money already. They still don't want to make do with these transfers and they are going for Jules Kounde also. Maybe it is like a dream for Barcelona but it is time to wake up from it. Otherwise their finance is going to get even more terrible until the end of the season. They don't make long-term plans now as it seems. Because the total salary load is increasing on one hand also.

Yes that is the question now, will they be able to finance all the needs of the club next season? If the answer is no, then I think their transfer will be in vain. Why? Because for sure they will return to a worse situation than last season.
I really appreciate their courage, but on the one hand I'm worried about what they will be like in the future.

There's nothing to worry about, my friend, Barcelona's management has considered all possibilities that will happen in the future, every option taken must have a solution. Barcelona's officials have to do something to save the club, if they are silent or resigned to the situation that befell Barcelona, what's the point of them there. Barcelona massive spending shows that they want to achieve success in the future. The existence of Xavi as a coach made Barcelona officials believe in his ability to bring Barcelona to the title, for that reason Barcelona officials facilitated Xavi by bringing in top players.

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Quote from: OcTradism on July 27, 2022, 07:22:45 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 27, 2022, 05:37:31 AM

As someone correctly wrote, Barcelona went all-in. If that spending doesn't lead to some super success like a La Liga title and reaching the Champions League final, things could end in disaster. I don't understand the motives for risking so much - after all last season Barcelona got the second place, why not settle for it for a few years and put the financial affairs in order? It would have been a smart decision from a business point of view, but the ambitions of the management have completely diverged from the real possibilities of the club.

All-in is a terrible management and Barcelona is repeating it again. Are they too big to impossible collapse and bankrupted? In La Liga, clubs over spent in the past like Deportivo La Coruna, Valencia and Athletico Madrid got troubles in the past. Deportivo is the worst case as until now, they can not come back to the top and mostly disappear from Spain football leagues.

otxThe performance of Barcelona in the past season and in this summer friendly matches are good and promising but it does not guarantee anything.

Even Real Madrid got into a difficult financial situation and had to sell their base in the center of Madrid to pay off debts (in the early 2000s). But Barcelona is doing even worse - they are selling their future earnings. I think that we all intuitively understand how bad it is to spend what we have not yet earned. But Barcelona management thinks otherwise. I see that there are rumors that this behavior is due to the possible revival of the Super League project, which is why Barcelona is in such a hurry.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 27, 2022, 05:37:31 AM

As someone correctly wrote, Barcelona went all-in. If that spending doesn't lead to some super success like a La Liga title and reaching the Champions League final, things could end in disaster. I don't understand the motives for risking so much - after all last season Barcelona got the second place, why not settle for it for a few years and put the financial affairs in order? It would have been a smart decision from a business point of view, but the ambitions of the management have completely diverged from the real possibilities of the club.

They gambled this season and it could be another life and death gamble for them.
Agree with what you said, why do they now have to be in such a hurry when the second rank is also still fairly good if you look at their current financial condition. Do they really don't want the process anymore and are too eager to re-establish their era? I think they are too naive to do everything and hope everything goes smoothly.

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Quote from: Distraction on July 27, 2022, 07:44:51 AM

Maybe Barcelona are having a great transfer window now but they really have spent incredible amount of money already. They still don't want to make do with these transfers and they are going for Jules Kounde also. Maybe it is like a dream for Barcelona but it is time to wake up from it. Otherwise their finance is going to get even more terrible until the end of the season. They don't make long-term plans now as it seems. Because the total salary load is increasing on one hand also.

Yes that is the question now, will they be able to finance all the needs of the club next season? If the answer is no, then I think their transfer will be in vain. Why? Because for sure they will return to a worse situation than last season.
I really appreciate their courage, but on the one hand I'm worried about what they will be like in the future.

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Quote from: Altryist on July 27, 2022, 07:55:11 AM

Quote from: Distraction on July 27, 2022, 07:44:51 AM

Maybe Barcelona are having a great transfer window now but they really have spent incredible amount of money already. They still don't want to make do with these transfers and they are going for Jules Kounde also. Maybe it is like a dream for Barcelona but it is time to wake up from it. Otherwise their finance is going to get even more terrible until the end of the season. They don't make long-term plans now as it seems. Because the total salary load is increasing on one hand also.

It seems that Xavi only focuses on the team and the result, and he leaves the financial side of the issue to others. With Juventus, Barcelona looked interesting, they attacked a lot and looked very confident overall. I especially liked how the right flank worked, and especially how Dembele worked, he passed the Juventus defenders very ease, it was beautiful. Pogba and Vlahovic didn't play for Juventus, and it was not possible to watch the game of the main squads, but Barcelona looked expectedly stronger.

I think just being results oriented will bring Xavi great championships to the team. Thus, the club will be relieved in financial matters and debt. In yesterday's Juventus-Barcelona match, I saw how dominant Barcelona has become with new transfers. Dembele scored Barcelona's two goals, almost put everyone to sleep, and showed this joy after every goal.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 27, 2022, 03:44:34 AM

The current situation is just very interesting. There are various sources that one of them is claiming that Chelsea are about to sign him while the other sources are telling us that Barcelona have got ahead of Chelsea in this deal. Even Chelsea started to look for other alternatives after the ambiguity of this transfer which is a good thing they do. Because it looks like Chelsea still want to sign a defender for the starting eleven right beside Koulibaly even though they have many defenders in the team already.

Current situation Frankie de Jong ask to Barcelona sell him for Chelsea not Manchester United, maybe decision by de Jong could participant and play on Champion League make him most priority Chelsea than Manchester United. I think what ever the next club from de Jong is not problem for Barcelona but have still clause agreement with 17 million euro bonuses have to pay. Manchester United not agree include transfer values and need to pay bonuses for de Jong because that responsibility from Barcelona, but Chelsea will agree getting de Jong because they have many option on midfielder area?

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Quote from: Distraction on July 27, 2022, 07:44:51 AM

Maybe Barcelona are having a great transfer window now but they really have spent incredible amount of money already. They still don't want to make do with these transfers and they are going for Jules Kounde also. Maybe it is like a dream for Barcelona but it is time to wake up from it. Otherwise their finance is going to get even more terrible until the end of the season. They don't make long-term plans now as it seems. Because the total salary load is increasing on one hand also.

It seems that Xavi only focuses on the team and the result, and he leaves the financial side of the issue to others. With Juventus, Barcelona looked interesting, they attacked a lot and looked very confident overall. I especially liked how the right flank worked, and especially how Dembele worked, he passed the Juventus defenders very ease, it was beautiful. Pogba and Vlahovic didn't play for Juventus, and it was not possible to watch the game of the main squads, but Barcelona looked expectedly stronger.

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Maybe Barcelona are having a great transfer window now but they really have spent incredible amount of money already. They still don't want to make do with these transfers and they are going for Jules Kounde also. Maybe it is like a dream for Barcelona but it is time to wake up from it. Otherwise their finance is going to get even more terrible until the end of the season. They don't make long-term plans now as it seems. Because the total salary load is increasing on one hand also.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 27, 2022, 05:37:31 AM

As someone correctly wrote, Barcelona went all-in. If that spending doesn't lead to some super success like a La Liga title and reaching the Champions League final, things could end in disaster. I don't understand the motives for risking so much - after all last season Barcelona got the second place, why not settle for it for a few years and put the financial affairs in order? It would have been a smart decision from a business point of view, but the ambitions of the management have completely diverged from the real possibilities of the club.

All-in is a terrible management and Barcelona is repeating it again. Are they too big to impossible collapse and bankrupted? In La Liga, clubs over spent in the past like Deportivo La Coruna, Valencia and Athletico Madrid got troubles in the past. Deportivo is the worst case as until now, they can not come back to the top and mostly disappear from Spain football leagues.

otxThe performance of Barcelona in the past season and in this summer friendly matches are good and promising but it does not guarantee anything.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 27, 2022, 03:44:34 AM

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 26, 2022, 03:39:16 AM

There is an interesting situation right now. I have heard that Chelsea are preventing Barcelona from signing Marcos Alonso and Cesar Azpilicueta both. Because Barcelona also are going for Jules Kounde now. If Barcelona sign Kounde it looks like they will need to find new targets for left-back and right-back positions. Chelsea have been really unlucky with Barcelona so far. Barcelona can sign Kounde and cause Chelsea to be disappointed and frustrated again.

By what means did Chelsea prevent Barcelona from signing Marcos Alonso and Cesar Azpilicueta both? It seems even more intense the hunt for new players for every club at this point if any club makes a precaution like you say. In addition, Chelsea have also agreed with the Kounde price set by Sevilla. Then will Chelsea fail to get Kounde when Chelsea know that Barcelona are also after Kounde?

The current situation is just very interesting. There are various sources that one of them is claiming that Chelsea are about to sign him while the other sources are telling us that Barcelona have got ahead of Chelsea in this deal. Even Chelsea started to look for other alternatives after the ambiguity of this transfer which is a good thing they do. Because it looks like Chelsea still want to sign a defender for the starting eleven right beside Koulibaly even though they have many defenders in the team already.

Barcelona and Chelsea's competition to get Jules Kounde is very interesting, because these two teams had previously competed for Raphinha,
but in the end Raphinha chose Barcelona over Chelsea. Then many media reported that it was likely that Barcelona would get Kounde. If it's true
that Barcelona won the competition again, looks like Chelsea is no longer the star player's favorite destination.

Although it is not yet official for Kounde to move to Barcelona, the percentage of Barcelona's success in getting Kounde is quite large. Because from
some of the news I read, Kounde still wants to play in La Liga, so Kounde reportedly turned down an offer from Chelsea. Let's just wait for the official
news regarding the certainty of Jules Kounde's future. What is certain is that Chelsea has moved to target other defenders to prepare if it is certain
that they fail to get Kounde. After Chelsea eyeing Presnel Kimpembe, then there are rumors circulating that Chelsea are also trying to bring in
Wesley Fofana from Leicester.

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Now Atletico Madrid president is said to have stated that he doesn't even know where these rumours linking Ronaldo to Atletico Madrid have come from. Then the whole rumours about this probable deal have been no more than lies. We can't say that they want to finish the deal secretly by making this kind of statements. Because there is like no team after him in the end. Ronaldo might be feeling disappointed after this news but he shouldn't. The Premier League is starting very soon and he should focus on his work again.

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Actually I still feel weird when I hear that Barcelona want to bring Messi home. It doesn't mean I forbid Barcelona to do that, but they have to adapt to the current state of the team. They have cut the salaries of some players, and most recently they will cut Frenkie de Jong's salary. Isn't it selfish when it's a wish they have to achieve, but it hurts the other players on the team?

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Quote from: OcTradism on July 26, 2022, 07:16:25 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2022, 06:22:42 AM

Barcelona are out of control Grin

In parallel with the mass signings of players, a scandal develops with De Jong, who refuses to take a pay cut. They increase the pressure on him, but so far he does not give in. And I hope he doesn't give up, because why the hell is the club actually asking him for money to immediately spend it on new players? This is complete nonsense.

Things in Barcelona are very strange. Their finance is very bad and they treat to their legendary players very bad Messi ie. De Jong is not their legendary player but his contribution is big enough. They try to continue the drama of De Jong and at the same time signing contract with some players.

They just get 400M from television rights and are trying to spend it carelessly. A few bad seasons will put Barcelona into another crisis in finance.

As someone correctly wrote, Barcelona went all-in. If that spending doesn't lead to some super success like a La Liga title and reaching the Champions League final, things could end in disaster. I don't understand the motives for risking so much - after all last season Barcelona got the second place, why not settle for it for a few years and put the financial affairs in order? It would have been a smart decision from a business point of view, but the ambitions of the management have completely diverged from the real possibilities of the club.

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