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Quote from: minairia3 on January 26, 2022, 05:03:57 AM

This Barcelona squad will need at least 2 more years to get in shape and in the situation to be on the top tier teams in Europe. But at the moment, they are a lower A-tier team I have to say.

Indeed, two years there is a possibility under Xavi, Barcelona can compete for the title again. However, we also have to remember about Barcelona condition will be in the next 2 years. If, their finances are still not improving, then there is a possibility that Barcelona will not be able to buy players at an expensive price. Their hope is in La Masia which has often created star players for Barcelona since the Rijkaard era. If this happens again, finances may no longer be a problem, as they find quality players to take from their own academy.

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Quote from: Falconer on January 25, 2022, 10:58:43 AM

We can compare the achievements of Barcelona in several seasons based on the final standings. 19-20, 20-21 & 21-22 (ongoing) Here he is.

From the 3 seasons that I tried to show in the picture, Barcelona managed to score more than 80 goals every season even though they didn't win the title. At that time they still had Lionel Messi and Suarez. But this season they have only managed to score 32 goals in 21 match, it is a result that is not imagined by everyone about Barcelona. Without Messi they can't do much in front of goal, it's a bad thing for Barcelona this season despite still having 17 games to play.

their productivity decreases over time and this is a natural thing I think because in the last few years it was Messi who has always been the biggest goal contributor there, especially for the last 2 seasons he was in Barcelona because if I'm not mistaken in the 2019/2020 and 2020 seasons /2021 even though he didn't win, but messi became the top scorer there.

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Quote from: Zilon on January 26, 2022, 09:45:01 AM

Replacing koeman for Xavi is the best decision Barcelona management made and so far there have been lots of improvement. Finishing in the third or fourth place will require lots of commitment and it would mean contending with Athletico Maldrid, Sevilla and Real bettis but Barcelona can do better with xavi leadership as for good performance I will say there have been good ones but all Barcelona needs at the time is more good finishers who would send their team work to the back of their opponents net

Really like that? I don't deny contribution and good job of Xavi so far but did Koeman do terrible job in Barcelona? I see Koeman did his job good enough. Of course, it is not good as expected or best but it is acceptable. In addition, saying the replacement is a best decision is over exaggeration and too positively thinking. Xavi might have a good future in his coach management career but now he is in early phase of this career. It is not too common to see a young successful coach like Pep. Will Xavi be able to repeat that success? Sounds very difficult, from himself and because of player quality in Barcelona now.

Quote from: Sterbens on January 26, 2022, 10:02:24 AM

I agree, with Xavi the possibility of Barcelona could be much better. At least you can do it with free play, unlike when Koeman is too conventional and presses players to focus on 1 player. Here Xavi changes this style and tries to expand the movement of his players so that they always contribute to each other in building attacks.

Does Koeman require Barcelona players to focus or rely on a single player? Do you mean he requires his players to rely on Messi? Hell no, I believe. Barcelona rely on Messi in many years, even before seasons with Koeman there.

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Quote from: Zilon on January 26, 2022, 09:45:01 AM

Replacing koeman for Xavi is the best decision Barcelona management made and so far there have been lots of improvement. Finishing in the third or fourth place will require lots of commitment and it would mean contending with Athletico Maldrid, Sevilla and Real bettis but Barcelona can do better with xavi leadership as for good performance I will say there have been good ones but all Barcelona needs at the time is more good finishers who would send their team work to the back of their opponents net

I agree, with Xavi the possibility of Barcelona could be much better. At least you can do it with free play, unlike when Koeman is too conventional and presses players to focus on 1 player. Here Xavi changes this style and tries to expand the movement of his players so that they always contribute to each other in building attacks.

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I think that it would still be a good achievement for Barcelona if they end the season at the third or fourth place in the standings. I mean that they are still trying to play as a complete team and they haven't been very successful about that. The thing they need is time and a good striker also. Grin

They are having big problems on scoring more goals. For example, the Barcelona we've known so far should have been able to destroy Alaves in that game by scoring at least a few goals. If they solve their scoring problem, then they'd be more assertive.

Yes, they should be able to be in the top four. At least they can qualify for the Champions League for next season. Xavi has brought about change, Barcelona have gradually changed in terms of his game and mentality. They need a process for all. Sevilla, Real Betis are teams beyond my prediction, they are capable of being in the top three. Moreover if we look at the table of the class while their point distance is actually not too far away. For that, barcelona's chances of the Champions League zone are still quite large.

Replacing koeman for Xavi is the best decision Barcelona management made and so far there have been lots of improvement. Finishing in the third or fourth place will require lots of commitment and it would mean contending with Athletico Maldrid, Sevilla and Real bettis but Barcelona can do better with xavi leadership as for good performance I will say there have been good ones but all Barcelona needs at the time is more good finishers who would send their team work to the back of their opponents net

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Quote from: minairia3 on January 26, 2022, 05:03:57 AM

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on January 25, 2022, 09:42:07 PM

I think the problem why never have success forward on Barcelona right now because depending with midfielder position, last several season Barcelona have great midfielder like Iniesta, Xavi, Raktic and Vidal looks easy for forward how to make many goal each season. But now almost forward looks not easy how to scoring on every match and depend with Barcelona goal in this season where each match just score one or two goal only. Need looking for new midfielder position because with De Jong only is not enough how to give assist for forward.

It's about the whole, because for me the important role in football is for all players and not just about a few players from a few lines. Even though Barcelona again have good midfielders but attackers always make poor finishing, then a great midfielder is not enough. So yes, basically Barcelona is like a team that is starting over from scratch, so the process will certainly go through and even though the total goals obtained this season are not as good as the previous seasons. But Xavi, who has at least managed to improve Barcelona to 5th place, at least it has become a good achievement when the team's condition is not good.

This Barcelona squad will need at least 2 more years to get in shape and in the situation to be on the top tier teams in Europe. But at the moment, they are a lower A-tier team I have to say.

But I have to admire Xavi with how well he has done with the huge duty on his shoulders. Even at a time, Barca weren't even top 10. But now they are 5th placed and the influence of him on the squad is visible. I'd say that give this team time, and Xavi some more time, and Barcelona will turn around.

Yes, at least that's the reality and we can't demand Xavi to be able to recover Barcelona quickly, because with this achievement alone I think it's good enough. But yes, as the rivalry continues they will still be hoping for a quicker revival and even some of the other big teams in other leagues, could change several coaches in a season. It is certainly a worse situation and fortunately Barcelona, at least Xavi who still has little experience in coaching can provide a little revival for Barcelona. That is something great, with a lot of time still ahead of course Xavi will be able to fully recover Barcelona, hopefully.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 26, 2022, 04:55:14 AM

I think that it would still be a good achievement for Barcelona if they end the season at the third or fourth place in the standings. I mean that they are still trying to play as a complete team and they haven't been very successful about that. The thing they need is time and a good striker also. Grin

They are having big problems on scoring more goals. For example, the Barcelona we've known so far should have been able to destroy Alaves in that game by scoring at least a few goals. If they solve their scoring problem, then they'd be more assertive.

Yes, they should be able to be in the top four. At least they can qualify for the Champions League for next season. Xavi has brought about change, Barcelona have gradually changed in terms of his game and mentality. They need a process for all. Sevilla, Real Betis are teams beyond my prediction, they are capable of being in the top three. Moreover if we look at the table of the class while their point distance is actually not too far away. For that, barcelona's chances of the Champions League zone are still quite large.

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Quote from: hahay on January 26, 2022, 01:53:40 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on January 25, 2022, 09:42:07 PM

I think the problem why never have success forward on Barcelona right now because depending with midfielder position, last several season Barcelona have great midfielder like Iniesta, Xavi, Raktic and Vidal looks easy for forward how to make many goal each season. But now almost forward looks not easy how to scoring on every match and depend with Barcelona goal in this season where each match just score one or two goal only. Need looking for new midfielder position because with De Jong only is not enough how to give assist for forward.

It's about the whole, because for me the important role in football is for all players and not just about a few players from a few lines. Even though Barcelona again have good midfielders but attackers always make poor finishing, then a great midfielder is not enough. So yes, basically Barcelona is like a team that is starting over from scratch, so the process will certainly go through and even though the total goals obtained this season are not as good as the previous seasons. But Xavi, who has at least managed to improve Barcelona to 5th place, at least it has become a good achievement when the team's condition is not good.

This Barcelona squad will need at least 2 more years to get in shape and in the situation to be on the top tier teams in Europe. But at the moment, they are a lower A-tier team I have to say.

But I have to admire Xavi with how well he has done with the huge duty on his shoulders. Even at a time, Barca weren't even top 10. But now they are 5th placed and the influence of him on the squad is visible. I'd say that give this team time, and Xavi some more time, and Barcelona will turn around.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 26, 2022, 04:55:14 AM

I think that it would still be a good achievement for Barcelona if they end the season at the third or fourth place in the standings. I mean that they are still trying to play as a complete team and they haven't been very successful about that. The thing they need is time and a good striker also. Grin

They are having big problems on scoring more goals. For example, the Barcelona we've known so far should have been able to destroy Alaves in that game by scoring at least a few goals. If they solve their scoring problem, then they'd be more assertive.

the match against Alaves was not good for Barca. because with only 1 goal, that's all at the end of the second half.
Barca has a problem with blunt strikers. even though the game of ball dominance and attack is quite good. they seem to have developed. but indeed no attacker is dangerous in front of Barca.
this season to reach the 4th or 3rd position I think Barca can achieve. Atlético is in a bad trend. Barca can use this to shift it on the standings board. most importantly Barca appears with 3 full points in every game.

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I think that it would still be a good achievement for Barcelona if they end the season at the third or fourth place in the standings. I mean that they are still trying to play as a complete team and they haven't been very successful about that. The thing they need is time and a good striker also. Grin

They are having big problems on scoring more goals. For example, the Barcelona we've known so far should have been able to destroy Alaves in that game by scoring at least a few goals. If they solve their scoring problem, then they'd be more assertive.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on January 25, 2022, 09:42:07 PM

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Quote from: Falconer on January 25, 2022, 10:58:43 AM

From the 3 seasons that I tried to show in the picture, Barcelona managed to score more than 80 goals every season even though they didn't win the title. At that time they still had Lionel Messi and Suarez. But this season they have only managed to score 32 goals in 21 match, it is a result that is not imagined by everyone about Barcelona.

Previously, Barcelona has some great strikers who are always consistent to score almost every match. Not only Messi and Suarez, but they also have Griezmann and Dembele who still played quite well at that time. These strikers were supported by good midfielders such as Rakitic and Vidal. Now, those players have moved to other teams and Barcelona cannot find the best players to replace their roles. Considering this matter, I am not surprised to see a lack of goals made by Barcelona nowadays. I even predict that they are difficult to score more than 60 goals at the end of this season.

I think the problem why never have success forward on Barcelona right now because depending with midfielder position, last several season Barcelona have great midfielder like Iniesta, Xavi, Raktic and Vidal looks easy for forward how to make many goal each season. But now almost forward looks not easy how to scoring on every match and depend with Barcelona goal in this season where each match just score one or two goal only. Need looking for new midfielder position because with De Jong only is not enough how to give assist for forward.

It's about the whole, because for me the important role in football is for all players and not just about a few players from a few lines. Even though Barcelona again have good midfielders but attackers always make poor finishing, then a great midfielder is not enough. So yes, basically Barcelona is like a team that is starting over from scratch, so the process will certainly go through and even though the total goals obtained this season are not as good as the previous seasons. But Xavi, who has at least managed to improve Barcelona to 5th place, at least it has become a good achievement when the team's condition is not good.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 25, 2022, 06:20:29 PM

Quote from: Falconer on January 25, 2022, 10:58:43 AM

From the 3 seasons that I tried to show in the picture, Barcelona managed to score more than 80 goals every season even though they didn't win the title. At that time they still had Lionel Messi and Suarez. But this season they have only managed to score 32 goals in 21 match, it is a result that is not imagined by everyone about Barcelona.

Previously, Barcelona has some great strikers who are always consistent to score almost every match. Not only Messi and Suarez, but they also have Griezmann and Dembele who still played quite well at that time. These strikers were supported by good midfielders such as Rakitic and Vidal. Now, those players have moved to other teams and Barcelona cannot find the best players to replace their roles. Considering this matter, I am not surprised to see a lack of goals made by Barcelona nowadays. I even predict that they are difficult to score more than 60 goals at the end of this season.

I think the problem why never have success forward on Barcelona right now because depending with midfielder position, last several season Barcelona have great midfielder like Iniesta, Xavi, Raktic and Vidal looks easy for forward how to make many goal each season. But now almost forward looks not easy how to scoring on every match and depend with Barcelona goal in this season where each match just score one or two goal only. Need looking for new midfielder position because with De Jong only is not enough how to give assist for forward.

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The closest match in the Copa del Rey for Real Madrid is Atletico Bilbao. That's enough to make it a pretty tough match and it's not easy to come out with a winning score. We all know the rivalry between Real Madrid and Atletico Bilbao is still going on because they lost 0-2 to Real Madrid in the Supercopa. Reflecting on the Madrid game, which always struggles against weaker clubs, this proves that playing against Bilbao will not be easy either.

The Copa del Rey quarter-finals will certainly be a match worth waiting for, but I think the two teams are too soon to meet and maybe it can be said that this is an early final of the Copa de Rey so far because it brings together two big teams in La Liga, apart from Bilbao and Madrid , I don't see any other team that might deserve to reach the final.
But of course the match will be a difficult match for both teams, madrid who managed to beat bilbao in the super cup final of course they hope to repeat it again in the copa del rey, but I think bilbao certainly will not give up just like that, moreover they will play own cage.

You are right if you look at each movement, especially Bilbao, it is still too early to face Madrid. The current state of Bilbao still needs a bit of a violent collision to be on a level with Madrid. However, it is possible that Bilbao is also a club that often makes surprises on the field. So Madrid must not be careless, I believe that Bilbao will make it difficult for Madrid forwards.

The excitement will continue in Copa Del Rey with the Real Madrid-Bilbao matchup. Real Betis-Real Sociedad pairing draws attention in other pairings. I still think that the most important match is Bilbao-Madrid. Even though Real Madrid is the favorite in this match, a match is waiting for us where we can see every score. Athletic Bilbao is very good this year.

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Quote from: Falconer on January 25, 2022, 10:58:43 AM

Quote from: kro55 on January 25, 2022, 04:01:30 AM

Gradually, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are adjusting. Barcelona has been a very weak team since the previous season. They are weak this season too because they lost some of their experienced players.

We can compare the achievements of Barcelona in several seasons based on the final standings. 19-20, 20-21 & 21-22 (ongoing) Here he is.

From the 3 seasons that I tried to show in the picture, Barcelona managed to score more than 80 goals every season even though they didn't win the title. At that time they still had Lionel Messi and Suarez. But this season they have only managed to score 32 goals in 21 match, it is a result that is not imagined by everyone about Barcelona. Without Messi they can't do much in front of goal, it's a bad thing for Barcelona this season despite still having 17 games to play.

In this season, there is like nearly no player who can continue from where Messi and Suarez left in the league. They are having big struggles to score many goals in a game and this is their main problem now actually. If they were much more effective than this in their attacking line, then they would have been doing a bigger work now. Barcelona should solve this main problem of theirs by signing a top or talented striker. They need a real goal scorer to deal with their opponents much better. But their financial condition is not that good at the same.

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Quote from: Falconer on January 25, 2022, 10:58:43 AM

From the 3 seasons that I tried to show in the picture, Barcelona managed to score more than 80 goals every season even though they didn't win the title. At that time they still had Lionel Messi and Suarez. But this season they have only managed to score 32 goals in 21 match, it is a result that is not imagined by everyone about Barcelona.

Previously, Barcelona has some great strikers who are always consistent to score almost every match. Not only Messi and Suarez, but they also have Griezmann and Dembele who still played quite well at that time. These strikers were supported by good midfielders such as Rakitic and Vidal. Now, those players have moved to other teams and Barcelona cannot find the best players to replace their roles. Considering this matter, I am not surprised to see a lack of goals made by Barcelona nowadays. I even predict that they are difficult to score more than 60 goals at the end of this season.

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Is very important that Barcelona and Atletico Madrid will go to the champions League next season, it will do the Spanish league lot of good if it happened, because they are Europe favourite especially Barcelona,I like how Xavi is building the team gradually, playing nicely.i heard he had dinner with Lionel Messi days back and rumours are running that a possible reunion might be on table.

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Quote from: coderben on January 25, 2022, 03:50:41 PM

Athletic Bilbao indeed aren't a weak team and they showed it to us in their Super Cup matches too. They were the last champions of that cup and they played a finale against Real Madrid this season. Maybe they lost but they still did a great work. And now, they would most probably target the Copa del Rey title. They haven't been that much successful in this tournament like they have in the Super Cup. But they are still strong and capable enough to cause big difficulties for Real Madrid. It'd be an interesting match and maybe Athletic Bilbao would win also.

No doubt about Athletic Bilbao quality and form but still they need some very hard work to beat Real Madrid because their home record against Real Madrid is very poor in last 3 matches they lost against them and their win against Barcelona was in extra time so still it is very long way for them to have any chance into this cup we have some other very good teams as well in this competition like Betis, Real Sociedad and Valencia all these teams are good and have quality to win this cup if Real Madrid lost in quarter-final against them.

Right now, Betis is staying at third spot with very good record and Real Sociedad is at sixth even they have very bad time in last few weeks, but they can turn tables into their favor in any match.

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Quote from: judas on January 25, 2022, 04:28:03 AM

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Gradually, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are adjusting. Barcelona has been a very weak team since the previous season. They are weak this season too because they lost some of their experienced players.
However, Atletico Madrid's victory over Valencia was extraordinary. They were able to win even after trailing 2-0 in the first half. And the most interesting thing is that Atletico Madrid scored two goals after 90 minutes. If Atletico Madrid and Barcelona can maintain their form, both teams will be in the top 4 of the points table.

They both are slowy on track again as it seems. And there is a huge game between them on the next week of the La Liga. They are in a big rivalry to get past each other in the standings now. Atletico Madrid are still ahead by one point. But after this game, the balances could change. For now, I see that both of them are strong enough to be able to beat the other one. But the game is in Camp Nou and this is a big advantage for Barcelona. They seem to be more trustworthy to me these days. I think that they can win this game by one goal.

I mean bad periods happen for every single team, we have seen Liverpool be like 8th or something last season as well, it just happens and can't say how. Now we are seeing them getting better but is it enough? Are they too late? We do not know that much, Barcelona is one game behind sevilla and 11 points behind as well, even if they win that game it is 8 points, just one more point advantage for ATM but same story.

So, I am not sure if it is enough, maybe they are too late, maybe they are not, after all we keep seeing Sevilla losing points as well, they had like just two wins out of last 5 games, and 3 draws, meaning they lost 6 points in 5 games. Keep that up and of course both Barcelona and ATM could reach to Sevilla in the long run. However, for that to happen both Barca and ATM needs to keep winning and do that consistently so that they could catch up.

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Athletic Bilbao indeed aren't a weak team and they showed it to us in their Super Cup matches too. They were the last champions of that cup and they played a finale against Real Madrid this season. Maybe they lost but they still did a great work. And now, they would most probably target the Copa del Rey title. They haven't been that much successful in this tournament like they have in the Super Cup. But they are still strong and capable enough to cause big difficulties for Real Madrid. It'd be an interesting match and maybe Athletic Bilbao would win also.

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Quote from: lulumiya on January 25, 2022, 02:29:30 PM

When it comes to the Copa del Rey game between Athletic Bilbao and Real Madrid, it can be really interesting for sure. Because these teams played against each other in the Super Cup finale and Real Madrid reached the championship by 2-0. But Athletic Bilbao still didn't play that bad in that game. I think that they will see this as a revenge game and do their best to defeat Real Madrid this time. As they have an advantage of playing in their home stadium, Athletic Bilbao can really surprise us.

Athletic Bilbao isn't a weak team but if they intend playing for a revenge against Real Madrid then they might end up conceding even more goals to Real in the Copa del Rey. Maldrid still stand as the favorite between both teams despite their home advantage it doesn't stop them from losing out. Playing at home this days doesn't guarantee winning I think a good team work does

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