La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4133.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 04, 2021, 04:08:53 AM

I generally don't think that Fati will become world class, like a potential best soccer player in the world. It will be a tough season, or probably a tough new overall situation for Barcelona for the next years.

Because he was so young (18 years old)?

I see him as the most potential young player in the team as a left winger and he has scored 15 goals when played on the left winger. To be honest, I like it when the coach gives him more minutes than the other substitutes, but he still can't be forced to do it and he still has a lot to learn. There will come a time when Fati will become a rising star at Barcelona if he is able to maximize his potential as a winger.

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Did you hear what Riquelme said about Messi? He said he thinks Messi will return to Barcelona next year. After winning the champions league this year with Mbappe and Neymar, he will return home next year and retire in Barcelona

Maybe Riquelme talked to Messi and asked if he had such an idea. If Barcelona can fix the financial situation it might. Messi will also win the first champions league to PSG this year

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I think that a jersey number like 10 carries big importance for the player who wears it. It lays a burden on the player that he needs to be a really good playmaker. That player should be at the centre of the focus of the team. Most of the attacks should go over him. So, number 10 is really critical for a team. And I'm not sure if it is the right thing to give it to Fati already. He is only 18 and he needs to be more experienced to deserve this jersey.

In football usually, the number 10 is given to the star player of a team, who acts as the team's playmaker or attacking midfielder and of course one of the players who can wear the number 10 is a player who is very influential in the team, I think Barcelona should prefer senior players to wear the number 10 instead of having to give it to fati who is still young and has not proven his quality so far.

I don't also think the number is good for Fati to wear. He is still very young and not experienced enough to wear the number 10. He will probably end up putting more pressure on himself when playing. They should have given it to a senior player with a lot of Football experience. I think Memphie Delay should have wore the number 10.

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 03, 2021, 09:29:31 PM

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.

Messi was a blessing to Barcelona. And he contributed greatly to the team. I don't think Barca can ever get another player like him. He scored 672 goals in Barcelona. And also helped the club in achieving many trophies.

In my opinion these number things are overvalued. The problem is the media who will then say that he is not worthy of wearing the number 10. But if he plays really bad, is there any number justifying bad performance? I know what you guys mean but to me the number doesn't mean anything. What does Messi now wear, the 30?

I generally don't think that Fati will become world class, like a potential best soccer player in the world. It will be a tough season, or probably a tough new overall situation for Barcelona for the next years.

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Quote from: Roidz on September 03, 2021, 02:43:24 PM

Quote from: Kusman on September 03, 2021, 08:34:24 AM

I think that a jersey number like 10 carries big importance for the player who wears it. It lays a burden on the player that he needs to be a really good playmaker. That player should be at the centre of the focus of the team. Most of the attacks should go over him. So, number 10 is really critical for a team. And I'm not sure if it is the right thing to give it to Fati already. He is only 18 and he needs to be more experienced to deserve this jersey.

In football usually, the number 10 is given to the star player of a team, who acts as the team's playmaker or attacking midfielder and of course one of the players who can wear the number 10 is a player who is very influential in the team, I think Barcelona should prefer senior players to wear the number 10 instead of having to give it to fati who is still young and has not proven his quality so far.

I don't also think the number is good for Fati to wear. He is still very young and not experienced enough to wear the number 10. He will probably end up putting more pressure on himself when playing. They should have given it to a senior player with a lot of Football experience. I think Memphie Delay should have wore the number 10.

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 03, 2021, 09:29:31 PM

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.

Messi was a blessing to Barcelona. And he contributed greatly to the team. I don't think Barca can ever get another player like him. He scored 672 goals in Barcelona. And also helped the club in achieving many trophies.

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Quote from: kassex on September 04, 2021, 01:34:57 AM

Depay is not a graduate of the club. Laporta now wants to repeat the success of his first presidency in Barcelona. To attract more players from LaMassia to the team. Let's see if he succeeds this time. And maybe that's why they gave the 10th number to Fati. There is talk that we have already reached an agreement with Olmo from Leizpig, who is also a pupil of the club.

Depay is a short term plan for Barcelona and he is there because the coach is Koeman. The future of Koeman is uncertain and if he has to leave the club, Depay will have not too good future there.

Dani Olmo is a very good player and I am impressed with what he shown in Euro 2020. He is one of most important players for Spain in that tournament.

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 03, 2021, 09:29:31 PM

Barca are really making their number 10 shirt Iconic,I thought they will give it to anybody of their choice when Messi left,after all,the player has already gone to another club,but it seems they really want to make the number special to a special player.

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.Memphis Depay is there,they can give him.

It would be a bad decision because Ansu Fati will have to play with pressure on his shoulders. Remember Messi has a few seasons in main squad before he was given the number 10 from Ronaldinho.

Ansu Fati has less contributions and less experience in main squad than Messi. I think his talent is less than Messi too. Depay can be a good choice but decision was made so let's hope that career of Ansu won't be damaged just because he inherited the number 10 from Messi.

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At least giving time to try is better than nothing just like what messi did when he first entered the Barcelona senior team.

Giving time to be Messi's successor doesn't mean to hurry giving number 10 to Fati. I think it will be wise to keep number 10 this season, and just consider giving number 10 to Fati in the next season if he is really successful to replace Messi's role on the team this season. Barcelona can evaluate it after this season ends, not hurry to give it before he can show us that he deserves it. Previously, Messi didn't suddenly get number 10 when he entered the senior team. He got the number 10 after several seasons he played on the senior team. He showed that he deserved it first before he got it.

Barca are really making their number 10 shirt Iconic,I thought they will give it to anybody of their choice when Messi left,after all,the player has already gone to another club,but it seems they really want to make the number special to a special player.

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.Memphis Depay is there,they can give him.

Depay is not a graduate of the club. Laporta now wants to repeat the success of his first presidency in Barcelona. To attract more players from LaMassia to the team. Let's see if he succeeds this time. And maybe that's why they gave the 10th number to Fati. There is talk that we have already reached an agreement with Olmo from Leizpig, who is also a pupil of the club.

I feel it’s a bad move for Fati if he takes the number 10 shirt, because that’ll put unnecessary burden of expectations on him hence he should not take it. Also I agree that Deepay is not from their academy, but he deserves it for two seasons before Fati is mature enough to wear that number shirt.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 03, 2021, 09:29:31 PM

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At least giving time to try is better than nothing just like what messi did when he first entered the Barcelona senior team.

Giving time to be Messi's successor doesn't mean to hurry giving number 10 to Fati. I think it will be wise to keep number 10 this season, and just consider giving number 10 to Fati in the next season if he is really successful to replace Messi's role on the team this season. Barcelona can evaluate it after this season ends, not hurry to give it before he can show us that he deserves it. Previously, Messi didn't suddenly get number 10 when he entered the senior team. He got the number 10 after several seasons he played on the senior team. He showed that he deserved it first before he got it.

Barca are really making their number 10 shirt Iconic,I thought they will give it to anybody of their choice when Messi left,after all,the player has already gone to another club,but it seems they really want to make the number special to a special player.

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.Memphis Depay is there,they can give him.

Depay is not a graduate of the club. Laporta now wants to repeat the success of his first presidency in Barcelona. To attract more players from LaMassia to the team. Let's see if he succeeds this time. And maybe that's why they gave the 10th number to Fati. There is talk that we have already reached an agreement with Olmo from Leizpig, who is also a pupil of the club.

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At least giving time to try is better than nothing just like what messi did when he first entered the Barcelona senior team.

Giving time to be Messi's successor doesn't mean to hurry giving number 10 to Fati. I think it will be wise to keep number 10 this season, and just consider giving number 10 to Fati in the next season if he is really successful to replace Messi's role on the team this season. Barcelona can evaluate it after this season ends, not hurry to give it before he can show us that he deserves it. Previously, Messi didn't suddenly get number 10 when he entered the senior team. He got the number 10 after several seasons he played on the senior team. He showed that he deserved it first before he got it.

Barca are really making their number 10 shirt Iconic,I thought they will give it to anybody of their choice when Messi left,after all,the player has already gone to another club,but it seems they really want to make the number special to a special player.

The truth is that Messi can never be replaced at FC Barca.They can play very well as a team,but his personality and contribution to the team can never be replaced,so I think giving the shirt number to any player can solve that all.Memphis Depay is there,they can give him.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 03, 2021, 02:48:14 PM

Quote from: Roidz on September 03, 2021, 02:43:24 PM

In football usually, the number 10 is given to the star player of a team, who acts as the team's playmaker or attacking midfielder and of course one of the players who can wear the number 10 is a player who is very influential in the team, I think Barcelona should prefer senior players to wear the number 10 instead of having to give it to fati who is still young and has not proven his quality so far.

I agree with you about this. Ansu Fati is a really talented player as it seems and he is only 18 years old. He can become a world-star player in the future as long as he continues to develop at Barcelona by finding chances in the starting eleven. But I think that he doesn't deserve the number 10 as he is very young now. The number 10 is not an unimportant thing for the team. It is actually the opposite. It is given to playmakers mostly but to experienced ones.

You're Right, Apart from Being a Playmaker, the other thing is that the player with the number 10 back should be the player who becomes the icon of the team. For this Barcelona case I prefer Philippe Coutinho to use the Number 10, for no other reason than he is a playmaker & plays very well in that position, Or if we want something even more iconic, Sergio Busquets should have worn the number 10, because he's an old player there. However, his position as a defensive midfielder is not suitable for using this number.

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Quote from: Roidz on September 03, 2021, 02:43:24 PM

In football usually, the number 10 is given to the star player of a team, who acts as the team's playmaker or attacking midfielder and of course one of the players who can wear the number 10 is a player who is very influential in the team, I think Barcelona should prefer senior players to wear the number 10 instead of having to give it to fati who is still young and has not proven his quality so far.

I agree with you about this. Ansu Fati is a really talented player as it seems and he is only 18 years old. He can become a world-star player in the future as long as he continues to develop at Barcelona by finding chances in the starting eleven. But I think that he doesn't deserve the number 10 as he is very young now. The number 10 is not an unimportant thing for the team. It is actually the opposite. It is given to playmakers mostly but to experienced ones.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 03, 2021, 08:34:24 AM

I think that a jersey number like 10 carries big importance for the player who wears it. It lays a burden on the player that he needs to be a really good playmaker. That player should be at the centre of the focus of the team. Most of the attacks should go over him. So, number 10 is really critical for a team. And I'm not sure if it is the right thing to give it to Fati already. He is only 18 and he needs to be more experienced to deserve this jersey.

In football usually, the number 10 is given to the star player of a team, who acts as the team's playmaker or attacking midfielder and of course one of the players who can wear the number 10 is a player who is very influential in the team, I think Barcelona should prefer senior players to wear the number 10 instead of having to give it to fati who is still young and has not proven his quality so far.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 03, 2021, 02:29:01 PM

Giving time to be Messi's successor doesn't mean to hurry giving number 10 to Fati. I think it will be wise to keep number 10 this season, and just consider giving number 10 to Fati in the next season if he is really successful to replace Messi's role on the team this season. Barcelona can evaluate it after this season ends, not hurry to give it before he can show us that he deserves it. Previously, Messi didn't suddenly get number 10 when he entered the senior team. He got the number 10 after several seasons he played on the senior team. He showed that he deserved it first before he got it.

As a Barcelona fan, I agree with your opinion. Fati doesn't deserve the legacy of the current number 10 because he hasn't fully proved to us that he can play a central role in the team as a goalscorer. He is still very young and will still improve a lot, maybe he will get that number but not this season. Messi got that number after Ronaldinho left Barcelona if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 02, 2021, 06:58:35 PM

At least giving time to try is better than nothing just like what messi did when he first entered the Barcelona senior team.

Giving time to be Messi's successor doesn't mean to hurry giving number 10 to Fati. I think it will be wise to keep number 10 this season, and just consider giving number 10 to Fati in the next season if he is really successful to replace Messi's role on the team this season. Barcelona can evaluate it after this season ends, not hurry to give it before he can show us that he deserves it. Previously, Messi didn't suddenly get number 10 when he entered the senior team. He got the number 10 after several seasons he played on the senior team. He showed that he deserved it first before he got it.

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Legends like Messi and Ronaldinho have played in the number 10 jersey of Barcelona. I don’t think Ansu Fati is as talented as them. If he can take himself to their level then that is definitely good. But so far I don't think Fati is as talented as Messi or Ronaldinho. Barcelona should have given the number 10 jersey to someone who deserves it. The Barcelona management is doing all sorts of weird weird things this season.

I'm sorry, what other strange things do they do? Messi's departure from Barcelona was not because of management, but because of league rules. Fati is quite a talented player, he would have opened up even better if he hadn't been injured in '20. That's why I think he can play well and rightfully got number 10

Messi's departure from Barcelona is indirectly due to management. At least I believe so. Didn't the Management of Barcelona know about such rules of the league? If they wanted to, they could find a way to keep Messi in the team. But they did not want to keep Messi in the team. However, it would be great for Barcelona if Ansu Fati could take Messi's place.

Hmmm, read the league rules and get into this issue with Messi leaving. How can they resolve this issue if they have huge debts? Do you know why they have huge debts? Because La Liga didn't help the clubs in any way during the pandemic and now everyone is in debt. Or are you suggesting to sell half of the squad to have enough for Messi? No, better to sacrifice one player than an entire club. A player cannot stay at Barcelona, even if he agrees to play for free, and these are not the rules of the club, but of the league itself, they cannot be broken at all, the club has nothing to do with it. You blame the management now, but Leo wanted to leave Barcelona last year, but he was persuaded to stay... Is Leo an idol for you? He's not soft and fluffy, he also has many flaws.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on September 03, 2021, 02:46:48 AM

Quote from: hahay on September 03, 2021, 01:51:47 AM

I personally don't really believe with Ansu Fati, even though Fati is a dropout from La Masia, like Messi but they shouldn't have high hopes for him either. I agree with the words "burdened", because currently Fati is still suffering from injuries and at his young age I personally would not have too much hope for him. Because Messi himself initially took time and went through many seasons to finally be trusted to wear the number 10, if Fati who is basically young and still needs more playing hours then saying he is a substitute for Messi is not something that is right and I'm afraid it will only make a blunder.

I don't believe in Ansu Fati too. He has played 31 matches for Barcelona in La Liga. And he has scored 11 goals in 31 matches. I don't think he should have been given the number 10 jersey right now. This jersey should have been given to him after making him more experienced. In at least one season, Barcelona could have kept the number 10 jersey off someone in honor of Messi.

It is 100% guaranteed that they did it to show Messi how they do not care that he left. This is typical move of someone who just got out of relationship, like sharing pictures outside having fun and so forth so that your ex could see you having fun. They gave Ansu Fati number 10 not because they believe in him neither, you are acting as if they believe Ansu will be amazing, they do not believe that at all, they would give the number 10 to me if they could just because they want to tell Messi that number 10 is not special and already distributed to someone else, they want to make sure Messi sees it and feels bad about it.

But, I also do not pity Messi neither, look at Barcelona they got rid of so much money, if Messi took €1 salary or even 10 million, then they would have kept him, but Messi wanted more and more which is why it is obvious that he deserves his number 10 to be given to anyone.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 03, 2021, 08:34:24 AM

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I'm sorry, what other strange things do they do? Messi's departure from Barcelona was not because of management, but because of league rules. Fati is quite a talented player, he would have opened up even better if he hadn't been injured in '20. That's why I think he can play well and rightfully got number 10

You are right about Messi leaving the team, most people would not want such a transfer but I think the number 10 jersey is also important. Not every player can wear this jersey, I think it's too early to give the number 10 jersey to this player.
Ansu Fati is very talented, but he is still at the beginning of the road compared to the players who wore the number 10 jersey before. I hope he doesn't lose his talent and can be among the legends

I don't know about others, but I don't think that a player's number plays a fantastic role. It's not a mascot and there's no need to give it some kind of cult, it just complicates things. If Barcelona approved the choice, it's up to them, but I think that Fati can still play and perhaps justify his ten

I think that a jersey number like 10 carries big importance for the player who wears it. It lays a burden on the player that he needs to be a really good playmaker. That player should be at the centre of the focus of the team. Most of the attacks should go over him. So, number 10 is really critical for a team. And I'm not sure if it is the right thing to give it to Fati already. He is only 18 and he needs to be more experienced to deserve this jersey.

Yeah, I think so too. The most important player of each team is given the number 10 jersey. At least we ordinary viewers think so. Is Fati the most important player in Barcelona? Is he the key player of Barcelona? I don't think so. However, I hope he will not underestimate the number 10 jersey, he will make himself worthy of the number 10 jersey.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on September 02, 2021, 11:51:51 AM

All things are in a plan, perhaps? They did have plan to force Messi and Griezman out of the club. And I feel that they did not want to keep Messi while they can solve this situation better.

I wish I could believe this, that my club is so smart and so cunning that they planned it this way all along, that they knew exactly the reasons they didn't want Messi anymore but they didn't want to admit it so they devised something like this.

But I know my club better than that. They just have really big idiots at the board and in management, and accountants that didn't do their job well.

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Quote from: baeva on September 03, 2021, 07:16:40 AM

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Quote from: baeva on September 02, 2021, 10:44:10 AM

I'm sorry, what other strange things do they do? Messi's departure from Barcelona was not because of management, but because of league rules. Fati is quite a talented player, he would have opened up even better if he hadn't been injured in '20. That's why I think he can play well and rightfully got number 10

You are right about Messi leaving the team, most people would not want such a transfer but I think the number 10 jersey is also important. Not every player can wear this jersey, I think it's too early to give the number 10 jersey to this player.
Ansu Fati is very talented, but he is still at the beginning of the road compared to the players who wore the number 10 jersey before. I hope he doesn't lose his talent and can be among the legends

I don't know about others, but I don't think that a player's number plays a fantastic role. It's not a mascot and there's no need to give it some kind of cult, it just complicates things. If Barcelona approved the choice, it's up to them, but I think that Fati can still play and perhaps justify his ten

I think that a jersey number like 10 carries big importance for the player who wears it. It lays a burden on the player that he needs to be a really good playmaker. That player should be at the centre of the focus of the team. Most of the attacks should go over him. So, number 10 is really critical for a team. And I'm not sure if it is the right thing to give it to Fati already. He is only 18 and he needs to be more experienced to deserve this jersey.

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Quote from: xzone on September 02, 2021, 10:51:52 AM

Quote from: baeva on September 02, 2021, 10:44:10 AM

I'm sorry, what other strange things do they do? Messi's departure from Barcelona was not because of management, but because of league rules. Fati is quite a talented player, he would have opened up even better if he hadn't been injured in '20. That's why I think he can play well and rightfully got number 10

You are right about Messi leaving the team, most people would not want such a transfer but I think the number 10 jersey is also important. Not every player can wear this jersey, I think it's too early to give the number 10 jersey to this player.
Ansu Fati is very talented, but he is still at the beginning of the road compared to the players who wore the number 10 jersey before. I hope he doesn't lose his talent and can be among the legends

I don't know about others, but I don't think that a player's number plays a fantastic role. It's not a mascot and there's no need to give it some kind of cult, it just complicates things. If Barcelona approved the choice, it's up to them, but I think that Fati can still play and perhaps justify his ten

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Quote from: hahay on September 03, 2021, 01:51:47 AM

I personally don't really believe with Ansu Fati, even though Fati is a dropout from La Masia, like Messi but they shouldn't have high hopes for him either. I agree with the words "burdened", because currently Fati is still suffering from injuries and at his young age I personally would not have too much hope for him. Because Messi himself initially took time and went through many seasons to finally be trusted to wear the number 10, if Fati who is basically young and still needs more playing hours then saying he is a substitute for Messi is not something that is right and I'm afraid it will only make a blunder.

I don't believe in Ansu Fati too. He has played 31 matches for Barcelona in La Liga. And he has scored 11 goals in 31 matches. I don't think he should have been given the number 10 jersey right now. This jersey should have been given to him after making him more experienced. In at least one season, Barcelona could have kept the number 10 jersey off someone in honor of Messi.

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