La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4135.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 01, 2021, 09:25:50 PM

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Real Madrid was really generous to increase the offer from €180m to €200m since the last negotiation, and even after that PSG didn't accept the offer. It makes me believe PSG didn't want to sell Mbappe since the beginning. PSG wants him to play at least one season partnering with Messi and Neymar, composing a top tier 1 unbeatable trio.
Is this approach more profitable for PSG than the offer made by Real Madrid, or is the symbolic meaning of this trio for the history of soccer and PSG itself more important than financial profits for the club?

It seems so. If PSG were willing to sell Kylian Mbappe, they would definitely accept the last offer. It looks like they are intending to make him play for them at least for one more season. They want to watch the Messi - Mbappe - Neymar trio in this season. They didn't even care about a gigantic offer like that. They are a rich club and I guess they thought that they would make up for it.

That's what makes it feel weird. It's as if PSG feels confident that Mbappe will change his decision and is willing to do a contract extension and PSG seemingly not too bothered if they have to lose a great player as Mbappe for free.

If it turns out that Mbappe sticks to his decision (don't want to extend his contract) and he decided to pre-contract with Real Madrid (or another club) in the winter transfer windows (January 2022), then there is a possibility that he will not be able to play a full season at PSG because it could be that PSG will put Mbappe on the bench until his contract expires.

I don't think that PSG would run the risk of putting Kylian Mbappe on the bench. He is one of the most important players for them. He has had an enormous role on their successes so far. And they are already aware that Mbappe will leave the team one way or another. I assume that they will respect his choice when he signs a contract with Real Madrid in January. He should be able to play in the starting eleven at PSG till the end of the season. If they decide to do the opposite, then their job will be harder in the Champions League especially..

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Quote from: ingiltere on September 01, 2021, 06:59:25 PM

If Messi wear something like 45 or 63 that could be possible but let's be honest, no matter how good a player is, even if the greatest of all time, you can't retire number 10. I don't think that's even an internal discussion. You can honor Messi in different ways other than retiring no.10 jersey.
Messi is gone, but life goes on. I'm glad they give No.10 to another La Masia player Fati. He can be very successful and be the new star of this club. Just give him some time. If they give away no.10 to a newcomer I would be against it but I don't think nobody have right to say something to La Masia players.

Ansu Fati may not be a great player like Messi. But he is a talented player. He is a player of La Masia. Barcelona has built him. Maybe Barca management is hoping that he will serve Barcelona for a long time. But Fati will never be able to fill Messi's void. I don't think he's as talented as Messi.

I just feel that the numbers are not something that is important to pay attention to, because whatever number they wear it will still have no effect on their bad or good game. But when it comes to honoring the legends of the past then I think it's only natural that they pay so much attention to it, but that doesn't mean they will easily give out the number. Because at least the players have to take more time like having to play in a few seasons first, this is only to prove whether the related player game is worthy or not to wear the legend number on the team itself.

Legends like Messi and Ronaldinho have played in the number 10 jersey of Barcelona. I don’t think Ansu Fati is as talented as them. If he can take himself to their level then that is definitely good. But so far I don't think Fati is as talented as Messi or Ronaldinho. Barcelona should have given the number 10 jersey to someone who deserves it. The Barcelona management is doing all sorts of weird weird things this season.

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Quote from: masulum on September 02, 2021, 09:08:38 AM

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I believe Griezmann can return to his best form with Atletico Madrid even though he is on loan from Barcelona for 1 year. Griezmann was not included in the coach's scheme this season so he had to go on loan. This will provide many advantage for other Barcelona strikers including Memphis Depay.

Yep, I believe the factor of these two people has the potential to be able to return Griezmann to his best form. Maybe, we can see this possibility in a few games when he become starting XI for Atletico, before that happens, he will probably only be considered as a super sub who performs well as a substitute.

Griezmann used to have great performances with Atletico Madrid. But after coming to Barcelona, he could not adapt well to the Barcelona team. Yet he did not perform poorly in Barcelona. The Atletico Madrid team is very stable. If Griezmann and Suarez can perform together all season, they will be able to win the title this season as well.

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Quote from: ShowOff on September 01, 2021, 12:20:10 PM

I believe Griezmann can return to his best form with Atletico Madrid even though he is on loan from Barcelona for 1 year. Griezmann was not included in the coach's scheme this season so he had to go on loan. This will provide many advantage for other Barcelona strikers including Memphis Depay.

Yep, I believe the factor of these two people has the potential to be able to return Griezmann to his best form. Maybe, we can see this possibility in a few games when he become starting XI for Atletico, before that happens, he will probably only be considered as a super sub who performs well as a substitute.

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Quote from: ingiltere on September 01, 2021, 06:59:25 PM

You can honor Messi in different ways other than retiring no.10 jersey.

Yeah that's a good idea as well. Retiring a number seems a bit much but hey you can always come down to like making a statue like City recently did by putting statues of Vincent Kompany and David Silva in front of their stadium. There are many ways in which a club acknowledges such player's contribution but then it is upto club whether they want to or not or in which way they want in done.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 03:15:33 AM

Quote from: ingiltere on September 01, 2021, 06:59:25 PM

If Messi wear something like 45 or 63 that could be possible but let's be honest, no matter how good a player is, even if the greatest of all time, you can't retire number 10. I don't think that's even an internal discussion. You can honor Messi in different ways other than retiring no.10 jersey.
Messi is gone, but life goes on. I'm glad they give No.10 to another La Masia player Fati. He can be very successful and be the new star of this club. Just give him some time. If they give away no.10 to a newcomer I would be against it but I don't think nobody have right to say something to La Masia players.

Ansu Fati may not be a great player like Messi. But he is a talented player. He is a player of La Masia. Barcelona has built him. Maybe Barca management is hoping that he will serve Barcelona for a long time. But Fati will never be able to fill Messi's void. I don't think he's as talented as Messi.

I just feel that the numbers are not something that is important to pay attention to, because whatever number they wear it will still have no effect on their bad or good game. But when it comes to honoring the legends of the past then I think it's only natural that they pay so much attention to it, but that doesn't mean they will easily give out the number. Because at least the players have to take more time like having to play in a few seasons first, this is only to prove whether the related player game is worthy or not to wear the legend number on the team itself.

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Quote from: ingiltere on September 01, 2021, 06:59:25 PM

If Messi wear something like 45 or 63 that could be possible but let's be honest, no matter how good a player is, even if the greatest of all time, you can't retire number 10. I don't think that's even an internal discussion. You can honor Messi in different ways other than retiring no.10 jersey.
Messi is gone, but life goes on. I'm glad they give No.10 to another La Masia player Fati. He can be very successful and be the new star of this club. Just give him some time. If they give away no.10 to a newcomer I would be against it but I don't think nobody have right to say something to La Masia players.

Ansu Fati may not be a great player like Messi. But he is a talented player. He is a player of La Masia. Barcelona has built him. Maybe Barca management is hoping that he will serve Barcelona for a long time. But Fati will never be able to fill Messi's void. I don't think he's as talented as Messi.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 01, 2021, 10:42:31 AM

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So Barcelona have revealed the new owner of the number 10 and its Ansi Fati.
logically, theoretically and practically is the greatest talent that Barca has bet on in the past years, and therefore he is more entitled to wear this historical number because of the terrible pressure and burden that accompanies its bearer.
The important thing is not to compare his numbers with Messi’s numbers so that he does not collapse quickly As usual all the comparisons that kill its new owner we seen it happen before in Man United After Ronaldo left.

Ansu Fati is really one of the best players who has grown at Barcelona now. He is only 18 years old but he has already increased his value a lot in only one year. His market value is now €60m. And I'm pretty sure that Barcelona will choose to keep him at the team like they did with Messi. In the last season, he got 5 goals and 4 assists and he played for only 10 matches. I think that he has a really bright future ahead.

Back then there was a fantastic player like Messi who was defining the whole game of Barcelona. Now Fati will not have that support. And by giving him number 10, Barcelona made him the leader of the team, but it can be difficult for such a young player. Hopefully he can handle it. And will become the new Messi for Barcelona in the future.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 01, 2021, 09:25:50 PM

That's what makes it feel weird. It's as if PSG feels confident that Mbappe will change his decision and is willing to do a contract extension and PSG seemingly not too bothered if they have to lose a great player as Mbappe for free.

PSG are gambling with Mbappe and their decision. They gamble to win Champions League and accept the worst situation when they lose him from a free transfer. I think they believe that can renew a contract with him but they accept to lose him if they win the Champions League.

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If it turns out that Mbappe sticks to his decision (don't want to extend his contract) and he decided to pre-contract with Real Madrid (or another club) in the winter transfer windows (January 2022), then there is a possibility that he will not be able to play a full season at PSG because it could be that PSG will put Mbappe on the bench until his contract expires.

It would be a big loss for them but if they win Champions League, it is acceptable cost. $200M is acceptable cost for Champions League because they even spent more than that number since the season they took over PSG. Many season and huge budget was spent but no Champions League so far. They only have one failed Champions League final match.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on September 01, 2021, 02:30:36 PM

Quote from: uneng on August 31, 2021, 03:59:38 PM

Real Madrid was really generous to increase the offer from €180m to €200m since the last negotiation, and even after that PSG didn't accept the offer. It makes me believe PSG didn't want to sell Mbappe since the beginning. PSG wants him to play at least one season partnering with Messi and Neymar, composing a top tier 1 unbeatable trio.
Is this approach more profitable for PSG than the offer made by Real Madrid, or is the symbolic meaning of this trio for the history of soccer and PSG itself more important than financial profits for the club?

It seems so. If PSG were willing to sell Kylian Mbappe, they would definitely accept the last offer. It looks like they are intending to make him play for them at least for one more season. They want to watch the Messi - Mbappe - Neymar trio in this season. They didn't even care about a gigantic offer like that. They are a rich club and I guess they thought that they would make up for it.

That's what makes it feel weird. It's as if PSG feels confident that Mbappe will change his decision and is willing to do a contract extension and PSG seemingly not too bothered if they have to lose a great player as Mbappe for free.

If it turns out that Mbappe sticks to his decision (don't want to extend his contract) and he decided to pre-contract with Real Madrid (or another club) in the winter transfer windows (January 2022), then there is a possibility that he will not be able to play a full season at PSG because it could be that PSG will put Mbappe on the bench until his contract expires.

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Messi's departure was heartbreaking this entire transfer window but he would have stayed if it wasn't for those LaLiga regulations. Anyway FC Barcelona just announced Ansu Fati taking the no. 10 jersey so its time for him to carry on the legacy now. (Source: https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/1433008489622872071)

Hope he shine at Barca like Messi did.

It is a bit cheeky for Barcelona to let Ansu Fati take the number 10 right away. Don't get me wrong he is a great player and I believe that he will be good in the future as well, it is obvious that he will not be as good as Messi and nobody should expect that from him neither.

However at the end of the day Messi wore number 10 for so long and he is the legend of this club and giving away his jersey number right away is a very weird thing. This is why I prefer the NBA method, they just retire the jersey number of a player and that way you end up with nobody ever being that number ever again.

I do not know if football has that commonly but in our nation that is not available at all, and if any person deserved their number to be retired by his club that was Messi, dude played nearly 20 years for Barcelona and won so much with them while being the best player ever to play the game, and what did they do? Give his number away like he was never there.

If Messi wear something like 45 or 63 that could be possible but let's be honest, no matter how good a player is, even if the greatest of all time, you can't retire number 10. I don't think that's even an internal discussion. You can honor Messi in different ways other than retiring no.10 jersey.
Messi is gone, but life goes on. I'm glad they give No.10 to another La Masia player Fati. He can be very successful and be the new star of this club. Just give him some time. If they give away no.10 to a newcomer I would be against it but I don't think nobody have right to say something to La Masia players.

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Quote from: Avirunes on September 01, 2021, 03:38:04 PM

Quote from: jostorres on September 01, 2021, 03:26:28 PM

It is a bit cheeky for Barcelona to let Ansu Fati take the number 10 right away. Don't get me wrong he is a great player and I believe that he will be good in the future as well, it is obvious that he will not be as good as Messi and nobody should expect that from him neither.
However at the end of the day Messi wore number 10 for so long and he is the legend of this club and giving away his jersey number right away is a very weird thing. This is why I prefer the NBA method, they just retire the jersey number of a player and that way you end up with nobody ever being that number ever again.
I do not know if football has that commonly but in our nation that is not available at all, and if any person deserved their number to be retired by his club that was Messi, dude played nearly 20 years for Barcelona and won so much with them while being the best player ever to play the game, and what did they do? Give his number away like he was never there.

Well maybe that is because in football certain jersey no.s represents certain roles like playmaker, poacher and so. It goes on and on from one generation to another. Retiring a no. is a good idea if maybe someone takes a unique no. like something other than 10 ,9, 8 ... Anyway jersey no.s doesn't matters much IMO does it?

I generally have a negative attitude to the idea of withdrawing the first eleven football numbers from use, no matter what great qualities and achievements the previous owner of the game number of the shirt had for the club. On the contrary, giving a number to another player can have a great educational value when the club gives confidence to a player, taking into account those big players who were before him and whose level this player should match or at least strive for this. However, perhaps such an exception of the number in exceptional cases could be practiced for a fairly short time. Let's say for the season. But again, I'm not a fan of such things.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 01, 2021, 03:26:28 PM

It is a bit cheeky for Barcelona to let Ansu Fati take the number 10 right away. Don't get me wrong he is a great player and I believe that he will be good in the future as well, it is obvious that he will not be as good as Messi and nobody should expect that from him neither.

However at the end of the day Messi wore number 10 for so long and he is the legend of this club and giving away his jersey number right away is a very weird thing. This is why I prefer the NBA method, they just retire the jersey number of a player and that way you end up with nobody ever being that number ever again.

I do not know if football has that commonly but in our nation that is not available at all, and if any person deserved their number to be retired by his club that was Messi, dude played nearly 20 years for Barcelona and won so much with them while being the best player ever to play the game, and what did they do? Give his number away like he was never there.

Well maybe that is because in football certain jersey no.s represents certain roles like playmaker, poacher and so. It goes on and on from one generation to another. Retiring a no. is a good idea if maybe someone takes a unique no. like something other than 10 ,9, 8 ... Anyway jersey no.s doesn't matters much IMO does it?

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Quote from: Avirunes on September 01, 2021, 05:16:20 AM

Messi's departure was heartbreaking this entire transfer window but he would have stayed if it wasn't for those LaLiga regulations. Anyway FC Barcelona just announced Ansu Fati taking the no. 10 jersey so its time for him to carry on the legacy now. (Source: https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/1433008489622872071)

Hope he shine at Barca like Messi did.

It is a bit cheeky for Barcelona to let Ansu Fati take the number 10 right away. Don't get me wrong he is a great player and I believe that he will be good in the future as well, it is obvious that he will not be as good as Messi and nobody should expect that from him neither.

However at the end of the day Messi wore number 10 for so long and he is the legend of this club and giving away his jersey number right away is a very weird thing. This is why I prefer the NBA method, they just retire the jersey number of a player and that way you end up with nobody ever being that number ever again.

I do not know if football has that commonly but in our nation that is not available at all, and if any person deserved their number to be retired by his club that was Messi, dude played nearly 20 years for Barcelona and won so much with them while being the best player ever to play the game, and what did they do? Give his number away like he was never there.

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Quote from: uneng on August 31, 2021, 03:59:38 PM

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Real Madrid were actually ready to pay €200m. As far as I know, their last offer was it. But PSG still resisted the offer and didn't even say anything. I know that PSG are a really rich club and they won't care about his being free agent at the end of the season. But still, I don't think that it was a wise decision. If they let him go for that amount, they would pay an incredible amount of money for Erling Haaland and get him. Maybe it wouldn't be easy but I believe they would manage somehow.

Real Madrid was really generous to increase the offer from €180m to €200m since the last negotiation, and even after that PSG didn't accept the offer. It makes me believe PSG didn't want to sell Mbappe since the beginning. PSG wants him to play at least one season partnering with Messi and Neymar, composing a top tier 1 unbeatable trio.
Is this approach more profitable for PSG than the offer made by Real Madrid, or is the symbolic meaning of this trio for the history of soccer and PSG itself more important than financial profits for the club?

It seems so. If PSG were willing to sell Kylian Mbappe, they would definitely accept the last offer. It looks like they are intending to make him play for them at least for one more season. They want to watch the Messi - Mbappe - Neymar trio in this season. They didn't even care about a gigantic offer like that. They are a rich club and I guess they thought that they would make up for it.

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Quote from: ingiltere on August 31, 2021, 07:45:33 PM

Sad to see Griezmann left but giving him to your biggest opposition in La Liga is quite terrible move no matter how you look. They made the same mistake as Suarez incident last season. I understand they have to give up on big salary players but was there no other alternatives than Atletico? This doesn't look like a well thought decision, instead of that it's a last minute call and they haven't realized the consequences yet. We will see how it affect the balances of La Liga but Atletico surely have a quite good leverage on their hands already.

Personally I think that Griezmann was a fundamental key for the team, for now I don't see any player who can do his job, at least those who are in the team can replace him but not with the quality that Griezmann does.

Well, Atlético can also have a plan B, perhaps they are waiting for a good signing of a player, everything is in the possibilities, we do not know if the Club needs money, there are many things that can happen.

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Quote from: masulum on September 01, 2021, 11:29:52 AM

These players have completely lost their pattern of play after leaving the club even they are back. It is not impossible that Griezmann also experienced the same thing. However, I believe that the factors, Suarez and coach Atletico, will have a positive impact for Griezmann to play better than when he was at Barcelona. Athletico is still the favorite team to be champions, and Griezmann may have this spirit to bring Atletico beat Real and Barca for La-Liga title again..

I believe Griezmann can return to his best form with Atletico Madrid even though he is on loan from Barcelona for 1 year. Griezmann was not included in the coach's scheme this season so he had to go on loan. This will provide many advantage for other Barcelona strikers including Memphis Depay.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 31, 2021, 09:52:00 PM

It is just a loan with one year contract from Barcelona to Atletico Madrid. Usually players can not find their best after they reunite with the clubs at which they made their names. Shevchenko, Kaka, Diego Costa, Fernado Torres and I don't think we will see the best Griezman in this season. -snip-

These players have completely lost their pattern of play after leaving the club even they are back. It is not impossible that Griezmann also experienced the same thing. However, I believe that the factors, Suarez and coach Atletico, will have a positive impact for Griezmann to play better than when he was at Barcelona. Athletico is still the favorite team to be champions, and Griezmann may have this spirit to bring Atletico beat Real and Barca for La-Liga title again..

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Quote from: DIA7 on September 01, 2021, 10:36:22 AM

So Barcelona have revealed the new owner of the number 10 and its Ansi Fati.
logically, theoretically and practically is the greatest talent that Barca has bet on in the past years, and therefore he is more entitled to wear this historical number because of the terrible pressure and burden that accompanies its bearer.
The important thing is not to compare his numbers with Messi’s numbers so that he does not collapse quickly As usual all the comparisons that kill its new owner we seen it happen before in Man United After Ronaldo left.

Ansu Fati is really one of the best players who has grown at Barcelona now. He is only 18 years old but he has already increased his value a lot in only one year. His market value is now €60m. And I'm pretty sure that Barcelona will choose to keep him at the team like they did with Messi. In the last season, he got 5 goals and 4 assists and he played for only 10 matches. I think that he has a really bright future ahead.

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Quote from: DIA7 on September 01, 2021, 10:36:22 AM

So Barcelona have revealed the new owner of the number 10 and its Ansi Fati.
logically, theoretically and practically is the greatest talent that Barca has bet on in the past years, and therefore he is more entitled to wear this historical number because of the terrible pressure and burden that accompanies its bearer.

I think Pedri deserve the 10 number than Fati. Anyway, it is not a bad choice actually. Ansu Fati is a talented player and is a future of Barcelona, together with Pedri.

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The important thing is not to compare his numbers with Messi’s numbers so that he does not collapse quickly As usual all the comparisons that kill its new owner we seen it happen before in Man United After Ronaldo left.

I hope that Ansu Fati won't step on the same sadly development of Bojan Krkic. After a few early seasons in Barcelona with great success, Krkic lost all of his confidence and ability to play his best football. He has never reached to the level of Messi and his career was damaged by too much pressure on him.

I think this choice is risky. Barcelona should give Ansu Fati one or two more seasons to play and develop before they give him that number.

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