La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4176.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 01, 2021, 04:57:20 PM

Looks like most people here are not yet aware that Ancelotti was officially announced coach about 5 hours ago.

I've just read the news and really surprised about it. Ancelotti isn't a poor coach but I don't think it is the best option. In my opinion, Conte is much better although Ancelotti has more experienced as a coach. Conte has a charismatic style and has more capacity to improve Real Madrid players' motivation. I also believe he more desires to get UCL trophy and LA Liga title. But Real Madrid management cannot see it on Conte, so he prefers to sign Ancelotti. Cry

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 01, 2021, 04:57:20 PM

Looks like most people here are not yet aware that Ancelotti was officially announced coach about 5 hours ago.

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Real Madrid C. F. announces that Carlo Ancelotti will be the club's first-team coach for the next three seasons.

The ceremonial signing of the contract will take place tomorrow with club president Florentino Pérez at Real Madrid City, after which Ancelotti will address the media from 6pm (CET) in an online press conference.

Source: https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2021/06/01/official-announcement-ancelotti

Finally answered who will replace Zidane, Real Madrid finally chose Carlo Ancelotti as Zidane's replacement. Madrid's decision in my opinion
was very good, in the end they chose Ancelotti, who already has a lot of experience. Many big clubs have been handled by Ancelotti,
even Ancelotti has been a Madrid coach before. So there is no need to adapt anymore for Ancelotti to understand Madrid's game,
and according to Fabrizio Romano who is a famous Italian journalist who often leaks transfer issues in the world of football,
Romano said that Ancelotti will be contracted by Madrid until 2023/2024. Hopefully Madrid's game will be much better by choosing
Ancelotti as coach.

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Quote from: AakZaki on June 01, 2021, 04:04:44 PM

Quote from: snipie on June 01, 2021, 08:58:11 AM

Apparently Ancelotti joining Real Madrid is not just a rumor according to Marca. Today we might see an announcement about him being officially the new coach. Not sure about his contract with Everton but I assume it won't be a big deal. Real Madrid administration prefers to see an experienced and qualified manager, there isn't many available, Ancelotti or Conte, otherwise trying Gonzalez.
I prefer to see Raul working with one of them and once he is ready he can replace them. Waiting for the official news.

Too bad there are no other options for the madrid coach next season? It's bad, I don't have high hopes for Anceloti, he was at Real Madrid but I prefer Zidane. Regarding Conte, he is good but I didn't choose him. Actually both coaches are coaches with experience. But the decision is in the hands of management, then for Raul I think your opinion is right. He must have had more coaching hours.

Ancelotti will give up half of his salary for the sake of joining Real Madrid , and I do not think that Perez would have found a suitable coach for the team after Allegri could not come more than this man. Well, let me go with you step by step .
Real Madrid is not the team that tempts any coach for the moment and even before Zidane's recent fiery statements, I used to say that the man was pushed to leave, even if indirectly, through obstinacy or rather Perez's inability to deal with the market recently. Also the Super League and Perez’s statements about the crisis that hit the clubs, including the Real, are a fundamental reason for the end of Zidane’s relationship with Real, because the man has become aware that this team will not meet his demands to the extent that makes it compete again, especially in light of the development of other clubs. Carlo knowd that Everton project is not goingany further as he realized that competing with the top people in England is currently not possible, and perhaps ambition has reached its peak,
Also Ancelotti is suitable for Real because he knows the house well, and because he will understand the situation, because any other coach would have requests in light of the modesty of some names in the formation of the Real.

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I think Aguero will probably make a good striker in his new team Barcelona. He will be linking up with Messi in Barcelona which is indeed a step forward in his career.
He had been an amazing player in Manchester City, he scored 260 goals in his stay in the Manchester City. He won the premier league golden boot in the year 2014, with 26 goals. Aguero seems happy when transferred to Barcelona, I hope he contribute positively to the club.
Barcelona also confirmed deal to sign Eric Gracia, also from Manchester City.

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Looks like most people here are not yet aware that Ancelotti was officially announced coach about 5 hours ago.

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Real Madrid C. F. announces that Carlo Ancelotti will be the club's first-team coach for the next three seasons.

The ceremonial signing of the contract will take place tomorrow with club president Florentino Pérez at Real Madrid City, after which Ancelotti will address the media from 6pm (CET) in an online press conference.

Source: https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2021/06/01/official-announcement-ancelotti

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Quote from: snipie on June 01, 2021, 08:58:11 AM

Apparently Ancelotti joining Real Madrid is not just a rumor according to Marca. Today we might see an announcement about him being officially the new coach. Not sure about his contract with Everton but I assume it won't be a big deal. Real Madrid administration prefers to see an experienced and qualified manager, there isn't many available, Ancelotti or Conte, otherwise trying Gonzalez.
I prefer to see Raul working with one of them and once he is ready he can replace them. Waiting for the official news.

Too bad there are no other options for the madrid coach next season? It's bad, I don't have high hopes for Anceloti, he was at Real Madrid but I prefer Zidane. Regarding Conte, he is good but I didn't choose him. Actually both coaches are coaches with experience. But the decision is in the hands of management, then for Raul I think your opinion is right. He must have had more coaching hours.

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Quote from: snipie on June 01, 2021, 01:54:30 PM

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Quote from: kassex on June 01, 2021, 11:58:35 AM

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Ramos is offered a 1 + 1 contract, but he wants a two-year contract at once. In my opinion, Ramos, as the captain and legend of the club, should agree to the club's terms. Moreover, he is 35 years old and he is unlikely to find a club in which he will play on a permanent basis. At the expense of the new coach - there are rumors that negotiations are underway with Ancelotti.

He deserves a full 2 year contract but it's a business decision that the club has to make and we all expect that there are many changes to be made. They could easily grant it to Ramos if the club is in a better financial position and the team is stable or strong to compete for next season.

It isn't just a business decision nor related to finance as far as I remember from an article. Real Madrid principle is to not renew contracts of old players, > 35 years old, and to search and prepare new players to replace them so the club remains in top position while having a smooth transition from old to new players. Obviously if that old players is very important and still can do something for the club, Ramos for example, then they can renew the contract for 1 year every time. Real Madrid doesn't want to give Ramos an exception so other players will ask the same after few years.

That club policy on aging players that you said is already a business decision. Every existing policy is subject to future changes and I think the case of Ramos could be one of them but the current condition of the club isn't favorable for his demands to be granted.

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Quote from: Yogee on June 01, 2021, 12:41:02 PM

Quote from: kassex on June 01, 2021, 11:58:35 AM

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Ramos is offered a 1 + 1 contract, but he wants a two-year contract at once. In my opinion, Ramos, as the captain and legend of the club, should agree to the club's terms. Moreover, he is 35 years old and he is unlikely to find a club in which he will play on a permanent basis. At the expense of the new coach - there are rumors that negotiations are underway with Ancelotti.

He deserves a full 2 year contract but it's a business decision that the club has to make and we all expect that there are many changes to be made. They could easily grant it to Ramos if the club is in a better financial position and the team is stable or strong to compete for next season.

It isn't just a business decision nor related to finance as far as I remember from an article. Real Madrid principle is to not renew contracts of old players, > 35 years old, and to search and prepare new players to replace them so the club remains in top position while having a smooth transition from old to new players. Obviously if that old players is very important and still can do something for the club, Ramos for example, then they can renew the contract for 1 year every time. Real Madrid doesn't want to give Ramos an exception so other players will ask the same after few years.

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Quote from: kassex on June 01, 2021, 11:58:35 AM

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Ramos is offered a 1 + 1 contract, but he wants a two-year contract at once. In my opinion, Ramos, as the captain and legend of the club, should agree to the club's terms. Moreover, he is 35 years old and he is unlikely to find a club in which he will play on a permanent basis. At the expense of the new coach - there are rumors that negotiations are underway with Ancelotti.

He deserves a full 2 year contract but it's a business decision that the club has to make and we all expect that there are many changes to be made. They could easily grant it to Ramos if the club is in a better financial position and the team is stable or strong to compete for next season.

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Quote from: MAAManda on June 01, 2021, 10:16:42 AM

Quote from: Karartma1 on June 01, 2021, 07:35:55 AM

Real Madrid unveiled the new blancos jersey. Waiting to understand who will be the new coach, ready to take over the legacy of Zinedine Zidane (among the candidates there was also Antonio Conte, freshly divorced from Inter, but in pole there is Carlo Ancelotti as per the last rumors), the Merengues redo the look: white shirt, of course, with sponsors and blue stripes and part of the orange collar, as well as part of the armhole. Goodbye pink, back to orange and blue as in the past. And in the photos there is no Sergio Ramos, Real's captain, whose contract's expiring...

Congratulations to Real Madrid for their new jersey, but I'm really sorry if Sergio Ramos' contract isn't renewed, at least he can sit on the bench.

And based on rumors, there are 3 potential replacement coaches for Zinedine Zidane. There are Antonio Conte, Raul Gonzalez (Real Madrid Legend) and Massimiliano Allegri.

Ramos is offered a 1 + 1 contract, but he wants a two-year contract at once. In my opinion, Ramos, as the captain and legend of the club, should agree to the club's terms. Moreover, he is 35 years old and he is unlikely to find a club in which he will play on a permanent basis. At the expense of the new coach - there are rumors that negotiations are underway with Ancelotti.

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I do not get people who feel like Raul lacks the talent and experience to be a good manager for Real Madrid. You guys realize that Zidane was assistant at Real for like a year, had like 37 games as head coach of castilla then became a major manager at Real who won 3 champions league titles right? This guy had just 1 year of assistant at real and less than 40 games for castilla before he became one of the best managers in the entire world, that was enough for him.

Raul has about the same, he has been manager at castilla for 50 games and he could very well start at Real right now and can make a huge change and become awesome afterwards. I am not saying he will be, all I am saying is you do not decide if a manager is good or not based on his previous work at youth teams all that much, Zidane did it and he became good, raul could do it and become good or bad, it is not definite answer until Real tries him.

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Quote from: DIA7 on May 31, 2021, 05:22:10 PM

... , and this is what makes me expect Aguero's brilliance in Barcelona if they employ him well.

Those are interesting observations. Another thing that could make Aguero successful in Barcelona is the fact that he's played under the guidance of a former Barca coach. His link up with Messi is something to look forward to if he decides to stay.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on June 01, 2021, 07:35:55 AM

Real Madrid unveiled the new blancos jersey. Waiting to understand who will be the new coach, ready to take over the legacy of Zinedine Zidane (among the candidates there was also Antonio Conte, freshly divorced from Inter, but in pole there is Carlo Ancelotti as per the last rumors), the Merengues redo the look: white shirt, of course, with sponsors and blue stripes and part of the orange collar, as well as part of the armhole. Goodbye pink, back to orange and blue as in the past. And in the photos there is no Sergio Ramos, Real's captain, whose contract's expiring...

Congratulations to Real Madrid for their new jersey, but I'm really sorry if Sergio Ramos' contract isn't renewed, at least he can sit on the bench.

And based on rumors, there are 3 potential replacement coaches for Zinedine Zidane. There are Antonio Conte, Raul Gonzalez (Real Madrid Legend) and Massimiliano Allegri.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on June 01, 2021, 07:35:55 AM

Real Madrid unveiled the new blancos jersey. Waiting to understand who will be the new coach, ready to take over the legacy of Zinedine Zidane (among the candidates there was also Antonio Conte, freshly divorced from Inter, but in pole there is Carlo Ancelotti as per the last rumors)

Apparently Ancelotti joining Real Madrid is not just a rumor according to Marca. Today we might see an announcement about him being officially the new coach. Not sure about his contract with Everton but I assume it won't be a big deal. Real Madrid administration prefers to see an experienced and qualified manager, there isn't many available, Ancelotti or Conte, otherwise trying Gonzalez.
I prefer to see Raul working with one of them and once he is ready he can replace them. Waiting for the official news.

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Real Madrid unveiled the new blancos jersey. Waiting to understand who will be the new coach, ready to take over the legacy of Zinedine Zidane (among the candidates there was also Antonio Conte, freshly divorced from Inter, but in pole there is Carlo Ancelotti as per the last rumors), the Merengues redo the look: white shirt, of course, with sponsors and blue stripes and part of the orange collar, as well as part of the armhole. Goodbye pink, back to orange and blue as in the past. And in the photos there is no Sergio Ramos, Real's captain, whose contract's expiring...

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Quote from: icopress on May 31, 2021, 01:51:37 PM

Since we are already talking about Real Madrid, then I noticed another oddity ... Spain's current squad has no Real players, what the fuck? I don't quite understand what Luis Enrique was guided by when choosing players, but he didn't even take Sergio Ramos ... I have not found information on the composition of the Spanish national team in the past years, but apparently such discrimination of one of the strongest clubs for the first time, (Barcelona fans are ecstatic).

HAha yeah old news. But even Ramos himself said he understood the decision and over the Spanish league they all know the current squad is old and weak, and there is desperate need to make fresh blood. Not to win this EURO but to prepare for the next world cup.

Ramos and his gang understood it and I think no one is outraged. It's not discrimination it's purely a judgement of talent and injury.

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Quote from: MCobian on June 01, 2021, 04:48:48 AM

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Quote from: MCobian on May 31, 2021, 05:32:08 AM

If it comes to Real Madrid, make Raul as coach, meaning that Real Madrid did not learn from Juventus mistakes that made Pirlo as coach,
and also Arsenal who made Arteta as coach. Because good players are not necessarily good coaches either, so Raul must have experience
first to be able to handle a team as big as Madrid. The most suitable choice is indeed Antonio Conte for now, with Conte's experience who
has handled several big teams, that is enough to prove that Conte deserves the opportunity to become coach of Real Madrid.

Probably because they believe Raul can be another success like Zidane. Raul at least has more experience with management than Pirlo. They are different but a little more experience with youth, academy, etc. does not mean Raul has experience in top level such as La Liga.

They are newbies in highest level of their national leagues. I don't know what Real Madrid plan to do. Choices as Conte or Pochettino gives them higher probability to get success. Perhaps the pandemic brings some troubles to Real Madrid and they want to invest budget for player transfer rather than spend it for coach and compensation if they sack a coach.

Raul Gonzalez is more experienced than Pirlo, one of his achievements as a coach was leading the Real Madrid U-19 team by winning the UEFA
Youth League. Even a number of Real Madrid legends want Raul Gonzalez to be Zidane's successor. Like Fernando Morientes, Predrag Mijatovic,
Jorge Valdano and Alvaro Benito want Raul to become Real Madrid coach. With a lot of support towards Raul, there is a possibility that Florentino
Perez as president of Madrid was influenced to choose Raul as Madrid coach. Maybe another reason Raul will be chosen as Madrid coach might be
like you say Madrid want to focus more on investing to buy players. We'll see who will replace Zidane as Real Madrid coach in the end,
but still I really hope it's not Raul.

The idea of getting Carlo Ancelotti seems to me very attractive to Real Madrid at this time .
The man of peace as he knows will have to mitigate the impact of Zidane's message as he eased the division in the dressing rooms during just like what he did in his first period after Mourinho left Madrid, Ancelotti is an expert coach and has a lot of respect in the Madrid street as the Perez, getting Raul is a big gamble true he could succeed like Zidane did also he could make it even worse but there were many other reasons for Zidane to succeed and for Raul there are many others to fail so he is going to gamble with his career if he decides to take the job of Perez offered to him.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on May 31, 2021, 06:42:04 AM

Quote from: MCobian on May 31, 2021, 05:32:08 AM

If it comes to Real Madrid, make Raul as coach, meaning that Real Madrid did not learn from Juventus mistakes that made Pirlo as coach,
and also Arsenal who made Arteta as coach. Because good players are not necessarily good coaches either, so Raul must have experience
first to be able to handle a team as big as Madrid. The most suitable choice is indeed Antonio Conte for now, with Conte's experience who
has handled several big teams, that is enough to prove that Conte deserves the opportunity to become coach of Real Madrid.

Probably because they believe Raul can be another success like Zidane. Raul at least has more experience with management than Pirlo. They are different but a little more experience with youth, academy, etc. does not mean Raul has experience in top level such as La Liga.

They are newbies in highest level of their national leagues. I don't know what Real Madrid plan to do. Choices as Conte or Pochettino gives them higher probability to get success. Perhaps the pandemic brings some troubles to Real Madrid and they want to invest budget for player transfer rather than spend it for coach and compensation if they sack a coach.

Raul Gonzalez is more experienced than Pirlo, one of his achievements as a coach was leading the Real Madrid U-19 team by winning the UEFA
Youth League. Even a number of Real Madrid legends want Raul Gonzalez to be Zidane's successor. Like Fernando Morientes, Predrag Mijatovic,
Jorge Valdano and Alvaro Benito want Raul to become Real Madrid coach. With a lot of support towards Raul, there is a possibility that Florentino
Perez as president of Madrid was influenced to choose Raul as Madrid coach. Maybe another reason Raul will be chosen as Madrid coach might be
like you say Madrid want to focus more on investing to buy players. We'll see who will replace Zidane as Real Madrid coach in the end,
but still I really hope it's not Raul.

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Quote from: AndySt on May 31, 2021, 06:58:45 PM

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Quote from: kassex on May 31, 2021, 08:08:57 AM

The best option for Real Madrid would be Flick. But he decided to associate his career with the national team. Raul has no work experience, but I think that he will be appointed all the same. Pochetino is unlikely to leave PSG. Conte is too conflicted person and he will not work with Perez. Besides Flick, I would like to see Real Madrid coach Allegri, but he seems to be returning to Juventus.

I agree with you. Raul is too early to train, even though he is a successor to Zidane. I don't want to see Madrid like Juve this season, failing at UCL. Appoint Flick is the best choice, he has a pretty good record.
With Bayern Munich he won the title
Bundesliga: 2019–20, 2020–21
DFB-Pokal: 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2020
UEFA Champions League: 2019–20
UEFA Super Cup: 2020
FIFA Club World Cup: 2020
Apart from this he has quite a number of individual titles.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Dieter_Flick

Indeed, there is no need to doubt the record that Hans Dieter Flick has, but according to the news I read he chose to be the coach of
the German national team. So like Real Madrid, it will be difficult to get Hans Flick to replace Zidane. Especially after PSG gave a statement
that Pochettino would not move anywhere, this made Madrid not have many choices. I hope Real Madrid don't make Raul the successor to Zidane,
it's like a gamble to make Raul the coach of Madrid.

It's just that the management hopes that it will be possible to find a specialist who will be able to carry out a generational change in Real Madrid and Raul seems to be suitable for these purposes, but I still advised the club's management to look at the not quite successful example of Juventus with Pirlo and not think that everything will turn out as it turned out with Zidane. I think that the decision of Flick is final and the specialist will lead the national team, otherwise it may have a bad impact on the image component of Flick. Let's remember the example of Lopetegui and the Spanish national team and what a scandal it led to and how much Lopetegui returned to normal work after that.

@AndySt while Real Madrid are not too keen on Conte, I yet feel that they should target him because he’ll help them win trophies and possibly the champions league too. Furthermore Conte doesn’t have too many options too, because only Real Madrid require a coach and they're one of those clubs that can back him in the transfer window.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on May 31, 2021, 05:41:13 PM

Quote from: AakZaki on May 31, 2021, 12:46:56 PM

Quote from: kassex on May 31, 2021, 08:08:57 AM

The best option for Real Madrid would be Flick. But he decided to associate his career with the national team. Raul has no work experience, but I think that he will be appointed all the same. Pochetino is unlikely to leave PSG. Conte is too conflicted person and he will not work with Perez. Besides Flick, I would like to see Real Madrid coach Allegri, but he seems to be returning to Juventus.

I agree with you. Raul is too early to train, even though he is a successor to Zidane. I don't want to see Madrid like Juve this season, failing at UCL. Appoint Flick is the best choice, he has a pretty good record.
With Bayern Munich he won the title
Bundesliga: 2019–20, 2020–21
DFB-Pokal: 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2020
UEFA Champions League: 2019–20
UEFA Super Cup: 2020
FIFA Club World Cup: 2020
Apart from this he has quite a number of individual titles.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Dieter_Flick

Indeed, there is no need to doubt the record that Hans Dieter Flick has, but according to the news I read he chose to be the coach of
the German national team. So like Real Madrid, it will be difficult to get Hans Flick to replace Zidane. Especially after PSG gave a statement
that Pochettino would not move anywhere, this made Madrid not have many choices. I hope Real Madrid don't make Raul the successor to Zidane,
it's like a gamble to make Raul the coach of Madrid.

It's just that the management hopes that it will be possible to find a specialist who will be able to carry out a generational change in Real Madrid and Raul seems to be suitable for these purposes, but I still advised the club's management to look at the not quite successful example of Juventus with Pirlo and not think that everything will turn out as it turned out with Zidane. I think that the decision of Flick is final and the specialist will lead the national team, otherwise it may have a bad impact on the image component of Flick. Let's remember the example of Lopetegui and the Spanish national team and what a scandal it led to and how much Lopetegui returned to normal work after that.

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