La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4174.

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Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.

The goal is clear, buddy. Real Madrid wants to get the title both in UCL and La Liga. Among available coaches to sign for the next year, Ancelotti may be the closest one who fulfilled the criteria. He also ever managed Real Madrid and has a quite good history in 2013-2015. I assume Real Madrid management wants to give him another opportunity to do his best for the Real Madrid squad. And I think by signing Ancelotti, Real Madrid has decided wisely, he has the capacity to lead Real Madrid in getting the best achievement both in UCL and La Liga.

I don't think Real Madrid have the ability to win La Liga and UCL at the moment. The team still relies entirely on Benzema to score. Real Madrid need another regular scorer. Moreover, if Ramos, the main pillar of Real Madrid's defense, leaves Real Madrid, their defense will become even weaker. Real Madrid will not find an experienced defender like Ramos now

Partly I agree, but it didn't matter much the last lap. 10 minutes before the end, Atletico Madrid were still 0-1 behind and Real went on to win. The live chance that Real would become champions was something like 1.20 at that time. It is actually a miracle that 10 minutes before time Atletico has become champions, and not Real Madrid.

I don't think you can reduce the whole championship to 1 game or just the last 10 minutes.
The Spanish Championship is a very long and hard competition, probably the hardest to win.
Atletico was in first place for most of the competition and they deservedly became champions.
I also disagree with the opinion that Real does not have the ability or quality to win the Spanish championship or the Champions League.
Almost the same players, who currently play in the club, were already national champions and European champions.
It is true that Ronaldo left but Benzema replaced him very well and Real was again close to the title of champion of Spain and champion of Europe.
If they manage to bring in another real striker I think they will again be the main favorites for all the titles.

I fully disagree! It might be the hardest to win if you are not Real Madrid or Fc Barcelona. But apart from that I think literally everybody knows that the hardest to win is the Premier League. It is all a question of perspective because if you are not Bayern Munich every German team could say the Bundesliga is the hardest to win. But considering the potential candidates, serious candidates for the Championship the Premier League is the hardest to win.

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Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.

The goal is clear, buddy. Real Madrid wants to get the title both in UCL and La Liga. Among available coaches to sign for the next year, Ancelotti may be the closest one who fulfilled the criteria. He also ever managed Real Madrid and has a quite good history in 2013-2015. I assume Real Madrid management wants to give him another opportunity to do his best for the Real Madrid squad. And I think by signing Ancelotti, Real Madrid has decided wisely, he has the capacity to lead Real Madrid in getting the best achievement both in UCL and La Liga.

I don't think Real Madrid have the ability to win La Liga and UCL at the moment. The team still relies entirely on Benzema to score. Real Madrid need another regular scorer. Moreover, if Ramos, the main pillar of Real Madrid's defense, leaves Real Madrid, their defense will become even weaker. Real Madrid will not find an experienced defender like Ramos now

Partly I agree, but it didn't matter much the last lap. 10 minutes before the end, Atletico Madrid were still 0-1 behind and Real went on to win. The live chance that Real would become champions was something like 1.20 at that time. It is actually a miracle that 10 minutes before time Atletico has become champions, and not Real Madrid.

I don't think you can reduce the whole championship to 1 game or just the last 10 minutes.
The Spanish Championship is a very long and hard competition, probably the hardest to win.
Atletico was in first place for most of the competition and they deservedly became champions.
I also disagree with the opinion that Real does not have the ability or quality to win the Spanish championship or the Champions League.
Almost the same players, who currently play in the club, were already national champions and European champions.
It is true that Ronaldo left but Benzema replaced him very well and Real was again close to the title of champion of Spain and champion of Europe.
If they manage to bring in another real striker I think they will again be the main favorites for all the titles.

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Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.

The goal is clear, buddy. Real Madrid wants to get the title both in UCL and La Liga. Among available coaches to sign for the next year, Ancelotti may be the closest one who fulfilled the criteria. He also ever managed Real Madrid and has a quite good history in 2013-2015. I assume Real Madrid management wants to give him another opportunity to do his best for the Real Madrid squad. And I think by signing Ancelotti, Real Madrid has decided wisely, he has the capacity to lead Real Madrid in getting the best achievement both in UCL and La Liga.

I don't think Real Madrid have the ability to win La Liga and UCL at the moment. The team still relies entirely on Benzema to score. Real Madrid need another regular scorer. Moreover, if Ramos, the main pillar of Real Madrid's defense, leaves Real Madrid, their defense will become even weaker. Real Madrid will not find an experienced defender like Ramos now

Partly I agree, but it didn't matter much the last lap. 10 minutes before the end, Atletico Madrid were still 0-1 behind and Real went on to win. The live chance that Real would become champions was something like 1.20 at that time. It is actually a miracle that 10 minutes before time Atletico has become champions, and not Real Madrid.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 06, 2021, 02:52:14 AM

I don't think Real Madrid have the ability to win La Liga and UCL at the moment. The team still relies entirely on Benzema to score. Real Madrid need another regular scorer. Moreover, if Ramos, the main pillar of Real Madrid's defense, leaves Real Madrid, their defense will become even weaker. Real Madrid will not find an experienced defender like Ramos now

You know almost the same thing could be said about Fc Barcelona. Real Madrid and FC Barcelona are in the state of delay with there level of dependency on a single player Karim Benzema and Lionel Messi respectively to be the decider on either they are to win a game or not. From where I stand, thats way too much power and level of dependency which is so uncool.
These were teams that really played as a team back in the day, where you had fiercer players at every position on the pitch capable of causing some real damage now, its just a handful of let's say, 2-3 great players. The rest are just average players. I can't argue enough to compare these teams with Bayern Munich, which tells us how the team has fallen.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.

The goal is clear, buddy. Real Madrid wants to get the title both in UCL and La Liga. Among available coaches to sign for the next year, Ancelotti may be the closest one who fulfilled the criteria. He also ever managed Real Madrid and has a quite good history in 2013-2015. I assume Real Madrid management wants to give him another opportunity to do his best for the Real Madrid squad. And I think by signing Ancelotti, Real Madrid has decided wisely, he has the capacity to lead Real Madrid in getting the best achievement both in UCL and La Liga.

I don't think Real Madrid have the ability to win La Liga and UCL at the moment. The team still relies entirely on Benzema to score. Real Madrid need another regular scorer. Moreover, if Ramos, the main pillar of Real Madrid's defense, leaves Real Madrid, their defense will become even weaker. Real Madrid will not find an experienced defender like Ramos now

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.

The goal is clear, buddy. Real Madrid wants to get the title both in UCL and La Liga. Among available coaches to sign for the next year, Ancelotti may be the closest one who fulfilled the criteria. He also ever managed Real Madrid and has a quite good history in 2013-2015. I assume Real Madrid management wants to give him another opportunity to do his best for the Real Madrid squad. And I think by signing Ancelotti, Real Madrid has decided wisely, he has the capacity to lead Real Madrid in getting the best achievement both in UCL and La Liga.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.
Marca published a very interesting analysis about it today.
It seems that the main tasks of the new coach are to renew and rejuvenate the team, and not create new problems and conflicts. Grin

It seems like a simple task but can Ancelotti succeed in this task and is he the right coach for the job?
At Real, the result is always in the first place and that is why it is very difficult to give a real chance to young and inexperienced players like Martin Odegaard.
Can a coach renew the career of a Bale?
Is there a real replacement for Modric?
Lots of questions for the new coach.
Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/06/04/60ba133f46163f0a208b466c.html

Carlo Ancelotti is famous for building trusting relationships with players in his teams. The only exception is Bayern, where the leading players rebelled against Ancelotti, especially Franck Ribery and Arjen Robben. And for example, when last time Ancelotti was fired from Real Madrid, for example, Cristiano Ronaldo was very unhappy with this and for the first time thought about leaving the club and when Cristiano finally left for Juventus, he consulted with Ancelotti. As for updating and rejuvenating the team, then there is little scope for the actions of the coach, because in such a club the most important thing is the result and it is unlikely that Florentino Perez will make a discount with bad results on the rejuvenation of the team. There is a good chance to restart Bale's career, because there was a lack of human psychological contact between Zidane and Bale.

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Barcelona have intentions of signing the Liverpool Star, Gini Wijnaldum, but PSG also want the player in their team. The Dutch midfielder player Is leaving Liverpool on a free transfer, he just have to decide where to go. Meanwhile, PSG offered the player bigger salary. Do you think the player will turn down Barcelona for PSG?

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.
Marca published a very interesting analysis about it today.
It seems that the main tasks of the new coach are to renew and rejuvenate the team, and not create new problems and conflicts. Grin

It seems like a simple task but can Ancelotti succeed in this task and is he the right coach for the job?
At Real, the result is always in the first place and that is why it is very difficult to give a real chance to young and inexperienced players like Martin Odegaard.
Can a coach renew the career of a Bale?
Is there a real replacement for Modric?
Lots of questions for the new coach.

I do not believe that they are really planning on anything different, they are basically the same team trying to achieve the same things, it is just championship in the league if they can, and go as far as they can on champions league, maybe get the cup along the way but that is not really THAT important. This has always been Real Madrid's idea of a season, they have been going for that every year forever, it is not like it is something new.

If a manager is not champions this year, they have to be next year, if not then they are fired, sometimes they are fired even before season ends if they think the manager sucks, basically all around its a thing about just keeping the manager at his edge so that he provides constantly success or he is out the door. Not like he is going to end up with something that is going to be different, it is the same thing all over again.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

...Lots of questions for the new coach.

You don't have to ask all these questions since you know that it's only time that will tell. You don't need to speculate until you see what changes he brings to the club starting from bolstering the squad in the off season. He has enough experience and won trophies in the past so at least he's qualified to handle a huge task in front of him.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 04, 2021, 09:30:36 AM

I don't think the Barcelona club authorities want to sign Ronaldo at the moment, Barcelona have renewed their contract with Messi. Barcelona can no longer afford to pay the salaries of two legends like Messi and Ronaldo. Secondly, Ronaldo is still a legend to Real Madrid fans. He does not want to tarnish his honor. If Ronaldo joins Barcelona, Real Madrid fans will start hating him. So Ronaldo will not decide to go to Barcelona.

Yeah, like I said, it's all policy and and all club culture, no way they'll ever consider a move unless it makes financial sense. Also they have to think about the longterm effect if they make a decision like that. Not that owners really care anymore but at Barca supporters are also part owners so you can't mess with shit like that anymore.

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Now that we know that Ancelotti is Real's new coach, the interesting question is why Real chose him, and what Real wants to achieve with the new coach.
Marca published a very interesting analysis about it today.
It seems that the main tasks of the new coach are to renew and rejuvenate the team, and not create new problems and conflicts. Grin

It seems like a simple task but can Ancelotti succeed in this task and is he the right coach for the job?
At Real, the result is always in the first place and that is why it is very difficult to give a real chance to young and inexperienced players like Martin Odegaard.
Can a coach renew the career of a Bale?
Is there a real replacement for Modric?
Lots of questions for the new coach.

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/06/04/60ba133f46163f0a208b466c.html

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Quote from: ShowOff on June 03, 2021, 11:38:05 AM

Although I know Ronaldo is still capable of playing with high intensity in various leagues, but I do not believe the two clubs above will be the next destination in his career. I feel he deserve to be in France more for PSG, and it will be a challenge he will consider in my opinion if Ronaldo want to leave from Juventus.

The fact is PSG has healthy financial budget and has grown up too well in Champions League. They have big ambition to win Champions League and it fits Ronaldo's desire in late of his career.

Other clubs have lack of financial support since the pandemic and their desire is unknown.

Quote from: CLS63 on June 04, 2021, 01:46:14 PM

Who knows, maybe PSG become eager to sign him and Ronaldo could prefer going there also. Think about it. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Neymar are at the same team. It would be really interesting. Grin

Of course, there is no news about Messi and Mbappe for now. They also can leave their teams this summer.

It depends on PSG and I believe if they send an offer, Ronaldo will agree very quickly.

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This is good news for PSG fans if Ronaldo joins the PSG team. Although Mbappe and Neymar are talented enough, their performance is not consistent. And Neymar is very much injured. If Mbappe leaves PSG, PSG management will replace him with someone as experienced as Ronaldo.

PSG will have a good goal resource from Ronaldo and not only this, with Ronaldo, there will be more open space for Neymar and Mbappe to play. They will assist Ronaldo with key passes as well as will score more goals for themselves. PSG will only get benefit from the appearance of Ronaldo.

One more thing, Neymar will not react to Ronaldo in the same way he reacted to Cavani.

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Quote from: CLS63 on June 04, 2021, 01:46:14 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on June 03, 2021, 11:38:05 AM

Although I know Ronaldo is still capable of playing with high intensity in various leagues, but I do not believe the two clubs above will be the next destination in his career. I feel he deserve to be in France more for PSG, and it will be a challenge he will consider in my opinion if Ronaldo want to leave from Juventus.

Who knows, maybe PSG become eager to sign him and Ronaldo could prefer going there also. Think about it. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Neymar are at the same team. It would be really interesting. Grin

Of course, there is no news about Messi and Mbappe for now. They also can leave their teams this summer.

This is good news for PSG fans if Ronaldo joins the PSG team. Although Mbappe and Neymar are talented enough, their performance is not consistent. And Neymar is very much injured. If Mbappe leaves PSG, PSG management will replace him with someone as experienced as Ronaldo.

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Quote from: Luzin on June 04, 2021, 09:37:54 AM

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EPL is a league with a fast game that is quite heavy and drains energy.

I don't often see anyone describing EPL as fast paced. It probably evolved from the parking bus and long balls but I still do not think it's faster than La Liga. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: CLS63 on June 04, 2021, 01:46:14 PM

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Who knows, maybe PSG become eager to sign him and Ronaldo could prefer going there also. Think about it. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Neymar are at the same team. It would be really interesting. Grin

This line up will likely fail unless Messi and Ronaldo are more than willing to give Neymar the starting role. They will also need to sell some of their key players which may affect the balance of the team.

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Quote from: Roidz on June 03, 2021, 11:34:37 AM

according to the news circulating, manchester united seems to still want CR7 back to old trafford but of course juventus will also not release CR7 at a cheap price, it looks like juventus will only release CR7 no less than the range of 30 million euros this summer, I think CR7 still deserves to be valued dearly even though now the player is not young anymore and currently CR7's contract at Juventus is only one year left so it's better to sell him than to have to wait for CR7 to be free.
If Ronaldo returns to Manchester United next season, it will certainly make Manchester United's attack line even more dangerous.

It would be really a wise choice for Juventus to sell him for a good amount of money rather than losing him for free. So I'm 100% sure that he will leave this summer. It seems to me for now that the most serious team about signing Ronaldo are Manchester Utd.

Quote from: ShowOff on June 03, 2021, 11:38:05 AM

Although I know Ronaldo is still capable of playing with high intensity in various leagues, but I do not believe the two clubs above will be the next destination in his career. I feel he deserve to be in France more for PSG, and it will be a challenge he will consider in my opinion if Ronaldo want to leave from Juventus.

Who knows, maybe PSG become eager to sign him and Ronaldo could prefer going there also. Think about it. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Neymar are at the same team. It would be really interesting. Grin

Of course, there is no news about Messi and Mbappe for now. They also can leave their teams this summer.

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Quote from: ShowOff on June 04, 2021, 12:50:02 AM

I would say it would be very unlikely for now I guess. Messi and Ronaldo are two of the greatest footballers in the world today and they are on the same level as living legend of Real Madrid and Barcelona. I don't think they will play together at the same club, it will probably never happen until they both retire from football.

I also feel that the rivalry between the two would be a logical reason to never play in the same team. Although player betrayal has happened before between Real Madrid and Barcelona, but I never thought Ronaldo would do it.

As for Barcelona, I feel their forward line next season will improve a bit after Aguero arrives. The pairing of the two Argentine national players up front will be highly anticipated and I would like to see it in pre-season if the opportunity arises. But both may have passed the peak of his career as a regular player especially Messi.

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Quote from: hd49728 on June 04, 2021, 05:14:47 AM

PSG is the best club for Ronaldo with his ambition. Win another national league (Ligue I), win another personal title for best scorer, and he will still have very good chance to win another Champions League.

PSG have improved their performance in Champions League a lot and they will have their second final match and soon win will Champions League. Champions League is out of reach for Juventus even with Allegri. Real Madrid will need some seasons to build up their team and Ronaldo will not want to waste his last seasons in career with them.

I understand that PSG would be perfect for Ronaldo but would Ronaldo be perfect for PSG? I mean they already have great players in their team, do they need Ronaldo to get in and confuse that situation? He may try to act as a leader and we already have Mbappe not sure about staying or not, getting Ronaldo would probably upset him or rub him off differently.

I do understand that there is some sort of problem with him going to a specific place because he will probably request a lot of money but teams are not probably willing to pay him for too many seasons, Ronaldo will be a great player for few more seasons for sure but you can't give him 5 years right? That would make him like 41-42 years old, he would probably still be a good player but not the amount of money he would request would be worthy. So what we have in our hand is just unknown, maybe he will just stay in Juventus?

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Quote from: anu1908 on June 04, 2021, 10:33:05 AM

i think signing another veteran players would be a bad idea for a club like barca. they need to nurture their young players, or find talented youngster so they can replace messi etc. they should look at the long term goal, even if they can buy ronaldo or get another messi, it probably only last for one or two season (maybe with lord zlatan it might be a different result).

those veteran era are nearly over now, it's time for the new generation to shine.

They are developing some good young players. I think Barcelona will solve their problems in 1-2 years of they develop their young players into something like Pedri, Fati, Trincao, Mingueza. They are a good talent in my opinion and will develop into a good player if given some time and playing minutes.

They are not good with their financial situation otherwise they wouldn't be doing free transfers. Right now they are working on Depay and I think that will be a very good signing and for a long term.

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No way you would want Ronaldo play in the MLS or Japan at this point in time, would you?

He is still a trop goal scorer with tremendous motivation. I would definitely prefer to see him playing in one of Europeans top leagues and make it to the champions league in order to have some great battles between the best.

Last season was alright for his calibre. He scored a lot of goals, but he was kind of different in a negative sense at least during some phases of the year. Was the same for Messi though, but they still are among the best of the best. Messi developed more into a team player, his free kicks and assists are outrageous.

I can honestly see that, many people may not but I can definitely see it. At this point what does he have to provide to teams to get top notch money for the next few seasons? I mean sure he can still "play", hell Ibrahimovic played at 40 years old, he can do that and there is definitely no doubt in my mind that Ronaldo can still play at that level neither, he can, however the money is the big question here. Did he made all the money he needs in the world? He did, he doesn't need any money at all so that could be a good motivation to just end up at a high level club as a good player, he won't be paid as much as he would in Japan or MLS or even Qatar or China, those are the real places where he can earn the maximum amount of money, they could offer like 2x amount of money.

So does he want success in Europe? Or does he want maximum amount of money he can? If the answer is money, I can see him in those clubs.

He is probably not playing for money, but maybe he is still dreaming of becoming the oldest world soccer player in the history of football. With one more awesome season, a champions league title and 40+ goals it would be possible. I am sure he is convinced it is possible.

I also see Ronaldo is not the type of player who makes money as a goal to play, therefore it is likely that Ronaldo will choose to end his career
at a European club rather than having to move to play on another continent. It is still very possible for Ronaldo, who is 36 years old, to win
the Champions League and score a lot of goals. So there is a possibility that Ronaldo will stay at Juventus or move to PSG if it is true that
Real Madrid managed to bring in Kylian Mbappe.

Well, I actually do believe that he might end up in the MLS along with Lionel Messi, but not now and not in two years. The only thing that might keep him from going to the United States is that he is usually very closely connected to his home country. But would he really play in the Primera Liga just because he is connected to Portugal and his first club maybe? I don't think so. That dude is a lifestyle guy and for him it is probably not lifestyle to end his career as a soccer player in Portugal.

Maybe his goal is really to crack the 1000 goal mark! That is a very possible goal of him I guess. He is driven by records, he also was obviously very happy just recently when he broke Peles record.

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