La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4482.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 17, 2020, 03:11:36 PM

Luis Suarez got positive Covid-19 test during international break and most likely he will miss game against Barcelona. It's huge loss for Atletico. Well, it make Barcelona task easier, but personally I would want to see them in full squad and it would be very interesting to see Suarez playing against us. I think he would be extra motivated.

Surprisingly the odds for atletico madrid hasnt dropped even with suarez will missing the match.
Bookies did makes barcelona not favorited to win this clash.
As with super defensive strategy , atletico will only use a counter attack as usual and probably hold it draw.
I believe there will be no winner too , a draw is more likely the fairest result for both.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 17, 2020, 11:06:08 AM

I can name a few other players who make reckless fouls, like Pepe, the most infamous fouler that comes to my mind. Guy used to dive intentionally while he played for Real Madrid and even headbutted someone at the 2014 World Cup while he was playing for Portugal.

Luis Suarez also used to dive and actually bit people three times. The bans he got after that, especially that last one, can cripple any club that relies on him as a striker.

Pepe is a mad defender. I still remembered what Pepe crazy shot on the head and body of his opponent. He was sent off but it is unbelievable and unexplainable foul. Crazy moment. It is more crazy that the headbutt of Zizou to Matterazzi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKt4IBxD5oo

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Quote from: bounceback on November 17, 2020, 09:08:13 AM

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What? I am wrong? Huh

Sorry, mate. Do you really understand what I mean above? Please read again carefully, get the point of my comment.
I focused to critize the defense behaviour of Sergio Ramos, I am not talking bout his achievement in scoring and attacking style. If you really watched various mathes of Real Madrid, you should understand what I mean. Especially El Classico, it is the scarry match to see Ramos performance, he is a red-card collector in EL Classico.

FYI, I am a Madrid fan, I know very well how Sergio Ramos played. I know he is a captain now and he has a big contribution for a great performnace of Real Madrid at the lasy few years. However, we cannot deny his fool behaviour in many important matches.

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Luis Suarez got positive Covid-19 test during international break and most likely he will miss game against Barcelona. It's huge loss for Atletico. Well, it make Barcelona task easier, but personally I would want to see them in full squad and it would be very interesting to see Suarez playing against us. I think he would be extra motivated.

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Barcelona, Atletico Madrid both of the team are very strong and dedicated. Barcelona sat on top of the pile. But in this season, Atletico Madrid was superb. At this moment Atletico Madrid has the better defense. Stefan Savic and Kieran Trippier are the top two defensive players of Atletico Madrid. In Barcelona the two top defenders are Gerard Pique and Jordi Alba. But based on the statistics Atletico Madrid has currently the best defense. According to the statistics Barcelona has the better midfielder than Atletico Madrid. Barcelona has scored in this season so far 15 goals and 40 shots on goal. Atletico Madrid scored 17 and 36 shots on goal. The two best players of Barcelona are Anssumane Fati who scored 4 goals and Antoine Griezmann who scored 2 goals. On the other hand, the two best players of Atletico Madrid are Luis Suarez with 5 goals and Joao Felix Felix with 5 goals. So, we can say that Atletico Madrid has the better offensive players than Barcelona.
Barcelone can still win, you can't rule it out. But in this season, Atletico Madrid was fabulous.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 16, 2020, 06:32:47 PM

How can you state he is better in defending if he gives penatly to opposites? I've watched many times that Ramos make a fool mistake on penalty area. As a central defender, he must realize it and knows how to defend in a safe way. The only reason why Ramos can be a central defender is no one better than him at that position. Actually Mardid can solve the problem if they are serious to buy top central defenders, not a young defender with a lack of experience.

Ramos is the player of fool mistakes. He is a complicated player who tries to set up traps for his opponent players but sometimes he can not control his actions on the field and is trapped by opponent players. His emotion affects his playing actions on field and he sometimes plays very careless like Pogba.

Do you remember the trap he set up for Mo Salah in Champions League final? It caused serious injuries for Mo and eliminated him from the match. Mo was almost missed the World Cup and his fortunate comeback in World Cup is not good for him and Egypt. Mo did not have his good form in the World Cup.

I can name a few other players who make reckless fouls, like Pepe, the most infamous fouler that comes to my mind. Guy used to dive intentionally while he played for Real Madrid and even headbutted someone at the 2014 World Cup while he was playing for Portugal.

Luis Suarez also used to dive and actually bit people three times. The bans he got after that, especially that last one, can cripple any club that relies on him as a striker.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 16, 2020, 06:32:47 PM

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In fact, that position makes Ramos even better at attacking or defending even though Ramos often gives penalty advantages to opposing teams.

How can you state he is better in defending if he gives penatly to opposites? I've watched many times that Ramos make a fool mistake on penalty area. As a central defender, he must realize it and knows how to defend in a safe way. The only reason why Ramos can be a central defender is no one better than him at that position. Actually Mardid can solve the problem if they are serious to buy top central defenders, not a young defender with a lack of experience.

You are wrong, even though Ramos appeared so aggressive he rarely gave the advantage, let alone a penalty for the opposing team. Even Madrid is more benefited by the presence of Sergio Ramos because he is a player who is good at aerial dueling besides Varane and also Benzema. This gives Real Madrid an advantage with set pieces and corners as Ramos is a specialist scorer with a header. Look with how many goal score by Ramos for Real Madrid right now and he is the most scorer defender in la liga and other league right now, just one disadvantage by Ramos when get for attacking he will slowly for back on his area as defender.

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Quote from: masulum on November 17, 2020, 07:49:12 AM

Quote from: emrecemsan on November 16, 2020, 02:15:26 PM

It looks like this season will be very tough for Barcelona in the league. They are still not playing very good as a team. Messi was nearly leaving and they hardly prevented him from it. If Barcelona don't win the league this season (which seems very hard now), I think they won't be able to keep him in the team.

Koeman have a lot of home work to bring Barcelona on the right track again, of course messi is the most important players for Barca, but Koeman also need another good defender.

I read about a plan of Koeman to sell 4 players that rarely to play, Alena, Umtiti, Firpo and Braithwaite. all of this players maybe will leave this winter transfer if possible. One player mentioned to be in, Eric Garcia (Man. City). Last summer transfer, barcelona giving offer 10m euro , but rejected by City. Maybe barca will try to increased their offer on this winter. If Garcia still not extend his contract with City, he will become free transfer players on the next summer transfer window (2021).

I think Barcelona most interested to bring back Neymar than get new defender player after missing Ansu Fati few months later, looking with Barcelona defender right now is not problem with Gerard Pique, Clément Lenglet, Sergino Dest and jordi alba in the left back position, but looking with financial condition of Barcelona very terrible because have update news from Marca Barcelona have reduce for player salary more than 50% to keep healthy of Barcelona financial. Ronald Koeman have on the wrong position because he not all player he want like Maphies Depay after getting with financial problem giving by Barcelona to Lyon.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 16, 2020, 02:15:26 PM

It looks like this season will be very tough for Barcelona in the league. They are still not playing very good as a team. Messi was nearly leaving and they hardly prevented him from it. If Barcelona don't win the league this season (which seems very hard now), I think they won't be able to keep him in the team.

Koeman have a lot of home work to bring Barcelona on the right track again, of course messi is the most important players for Barca, but Koeman also need another good defender.

I read about a plan of Koeman to sell 4 players that rarely to play, Alena, Umtiti, Firpo and Braithwaite. all of this players maybe will leave this winter transfer if possible. One player mentioned to be in, Eric Garcia (Man. City). Last summer transfer, barcelona giving offer 10m euro , but rejected by City. Maybe barca will try to increased their offer on this winter. If Garcia still not extend his contract with City, he will become free transfer players on the next summer transfer window (2021).

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 16, 2020, 06:32:47 PM

How can you state he is better in defending if he gives penatly to opposites? I've watched many times that Ramos make a fool mistake on penalty area. As a central defender, he must realize it and knows how to defend in a safe way. The only reason why Ramos can be a central defender is no one better than him at that position. Actually Mardid can solve the problem if they are serious to buy top central defenders, not a young defender with a lack of experience.

Ramos is the player of fool mistakes. He is a complicated player who tries to set up traps for his opponent players but sometimes he can not control his actions on the field and is trapped by opponent players. His emotion affects his playing actions on field and he sometimes plays very careless like Pogba.

Do you remember the trap he set up for Mo Salah in Champions League final? It caused serious injuries for Mo and eliminated him from the match. Mo was almost missed the World Cup and his fortunate comeback in World Cup is not good for him and Egypt. Mo did not have his good form in the World Cup.

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Quote from: Xxmodded on November 13, 2020, 12:48:59 PM

In fact, that position makes Ramos even better at attacking or defending even though Ramos often gives penalty advantages to opposing teams.

How can you state he is better in defending if he gives penatly to opposites? I've watched many times that Ramos make a fool mistake on penalty area. As a central defender, he must realize it and knows how to defend in a safe way. The only reason why Ramos can be a central defender is no one better than him at that position. Actually Mardid can solve the problem if they are serious to buy top central defenders, not a young defender with a lack of experience.

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It looks like this season will be very tough for Barcelona in the league. They are still not playing very good as a team. Messi was nearly leaving and they hardly prevented him from it. If Barcelona don't win the league this season (which seems very hard now), I think they won't be able to keep him in the team.

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Ramos is ready to leave Real Madrid. PSG, Manchester City and Juventus are ready to offer him a lucrative contract. Ramos wants to sign a two-year contract, but Real Madrid offers a contract according to the "1 + 1" system.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on November 15, 2020, 12:02:39 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on November 15, 2020, 05:35:35 AM

Very difficult times are coming for Spanish clubs and Barcelona is currently in the most difficult situation.

I think Barcelona still have the most realistic option at the moment if they really need money to finish the season and that is a reduction in the salaries of the player if they can't sell off the player. This option is at least helpful enough to save on club expenses for high paying player. During the pandemic, all European team lost a lot of revenue and the most prominent one was match day revenue. Player salaries need to be reduced and in my opinion this is an option worth considering.

But for that option, the players have to agree on the salary-cut. It's not that easy. The first round of negotiations brought no success and I can understand all the players that don't wanna give up on a huge junk of money just like that.

And simply sell of the players ... That's easier said than done. Other clubs know about the situation Barcelona is facing at the moment and they are also affected by the covid crisis. Barca won't be able to generate these high transfer sums they are hoping for. And when they sell all their star player ... who's gonna form their team then to be competitive in La Liga and UCL?

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 15, 2020, 05:35:35 AM

Very difficult times are coming for Spanish clubs and Barcelona is currently in the most difficult situation.

I think Barcelona still have the most realistic option at the moment if they really need money to finish the season and that is a reduction in the salaries of the player if they can't sell off the player. This option is at least helpful enough to save on club expenses for high paying player. During the pandemic, all European team lost a lot of revenue and the most prominent one was match day revenue. Player salaries need to be reduced and in my opinion this is an option worth considering.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 14, 2020, 09:10:43 AM

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Will clubs have to start selling players a lot to survive financially?
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I think right now all the football associations and clubs are in financial trouble. Selling players is a partial solution of many ways to avoid a financial crisis. But remember this crisis is global, and I think clubs will also think twice about shopping (unless they have unlimited funds). In addition, the Federation can create new competition formats, for example, with a smaller number of matches.

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on November 15, 2020, 05:06:48 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on November 14, 2020, 09:10:43 AM

The La Liga is in a very serious financial crisis according to what the The LaLiga president says in Marca today:
''Spanish football needs 490 million euros in order to finish the season''.

The question is how these financial problems of most clubs will affect the Spanish league and its quality?
Will clubs have to start selling players a lot to survive financially?

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2020/11/14/5fafd71e46163f28778b456d.html

Holy shit. So it seems like Barca is just the tip of the iceberg?! How could the clubs ever let it get this far .... Sure, they are missing now all the ticket money because fans aren't allowed in the stadium, but teams from other leagues aren't in such a dire situation. For me it seems like the Covid crisis was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Spanish clubs already had massive amount of debts before the crisis and the whole system was deemed to fail one day or another.

It seems to me that this whole model of expensively paid players and high salaries was unsustainable in the long run and that the Covid crisis only accelerated the breakdown of such a failed management model in clubs.
Very difficult times are coming for Spanish clubs and Barcelona is currently in the most difficult situation.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 14, 2020, 12:04:05 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on November 14, 2020, 11:10:09 AM

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How do you call Suarez is a bad player? He played very well in Barcelona. He played 28 matches and scored 16 goals and 8 assists for Barcelona last season. He has played well all season. Such a great performance. If you watch Atletico Madrid's matches then you must know that Luis Suarez is playing great at Atletico Madrid too. He is in form and scoring goals. It is foolish to play Griezmann in his place. Griezmann is not yet able to perform as well as Luis Suarez.

I agree with you that Suarez is worthy of being said a great player at Barcelona is a great striker who is able to make a kick or header that is deadly against the opponent's goal even I consider Barcelona the worst performance this season because there is no Suarez.
Griezmann's style of play is still the same as Lionel Messi but still covered by Messi so that he does not develop even though the duet of his time you must know that the Madrid altetico are sharp attackers at ATMs.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 14, 2020, 09:10:43 AM

The La Liga is in a very serious financial crisis according to what the The LaLiga president says in Marca today:
''Spanish football needs 490 million euros in order to finish the season''.

The question is how these financial problems of most clubs will affect the Spanish league and its quality?
Will clubs have to start selling players a lot to survive financially?

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2020/11/14/5fafd71e46163f28778b456d.html

Holy shit. So it seems like Barca is just the tip of the iceberg?! How could the clubs ever let it get this far .... Sure, they are missing now all the ticket money because fans aren't allowed in the stadium, but teams from other leagues aren't in such a dire situation. For me it seems like the Covid crisis was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Spanish clubs already had massive amount of debts before the crisis and the whole system was deemed to fail one day or another.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on November 14, 2020, 12:55:37 PM

I totally disagree if you say that Suarez is a bad player now. Did you know that Suarez has scored 5 goal and 1 assist for Atletico Madrid so far ?
I think Suarez is still pretty good if Barcelona management want to keep him in the team, but it look like the coach doesn't want him. To be honest, Luis Suarez was better than Griezmann at Barcelona and he still isn't done.

Suarez scores and supports his teammates very impressively. Barcelona (Bartomeu and his team) made big faults to fire Suarez and sent him to the strong opponent, Atletico Madrid. They are brainless when they made the decision.

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There are 2 people to blame for Suarez's departure this season from Barcelona and that is the president and the coach. They were utterly cruel as this could still be said to be an unacceptable humiliation on Suarez's side.

They are. What they wanted is try to put Messi into unofficial quarantine in Nou Camp. Suarez can be played as good substitute player for Barcelona but they did not care about it.

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