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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 05, 2020, 05:48:38 PM

But that's not the case with Barca. Nobody is talking that they were hiding information about infected players. As I understand it happened when season was already stopped and there was no games and training in action, so there was no danger for players and staff of other teams. it probably more fits to Atalanta manager who worked in Champions league gamer against Valencia despite having Covid-19 symptoms.
but now I doubt that would be possible to hide such things when there is intensive testing of players and staff in action.

People talked too much about the theory that the match between Atalanta and Valencia in Milan is a biological bomb that spreads the contagious virus from Italy to Spain, then makes the two nations become most infected nations in the Europe. Maybe it is right but to say Atalanta manager hid their info about infected players and kept playing that match and did not care about risks of Valencia players' health is lack of proof.

We all know that in that period, even UEFA did not have any plans to suspend the Champions League or Europa League and the situation in Italy, and the Europe were not too bad at that time. With the virus, situations change very fastly and that what we witnessed.

With all massive testing on players, staffs I think we have better preventive measures for now.

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Quote from: jayce on June 04, 2020, 10:58:24 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 04, 2020, 02:17:01 PM

But could you elaborate for what exactly Barca rivals could sue them?

Don't you think it's a serious issue, if a friend of your kid get infected with some disease, but his parents hide it from you?

But that's not the case with Barca. Nobody is talking that they were hiding information about infected players. As I understand it happened when season was already stopped and there was no games and training in action, so there was no danger for players and staff of other teams. it probably more fits to Atalanta manager who worked in Champions league gamer against Valencia despite having Covid-19 symptoms.
but now I doubt that would be possible to hide such things when there is intensive testing of players and staff in action.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2020, 01:32:00 AM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on June 04, 2020, 02:29:42 PM

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I strongly agree that there should be complete transparency regarding such a serious matter.A player with Covid 19 can at least infect the other players in his team and the team he will play against.The other players unknowingly can infect people near them and become a source of Covid spread.

Indeed, all of this must be published transparently who are the players infected with Covid-19 at this time because in reality someone always wants to know so that they can avoid even though it has been said to recover, but on the other hand if it is published then this will have an effect on the other is because of fear that if a player who has been infected, therefore maintaining privacy is very important in the medical world so that it will not be displayed publicly.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2020, 01:32:00 AM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on June 04, 2020, 02:29:42 PM

If any team hides the players that have coronavirus, that would be a big punishment, not only a big punishment for the team and the front office but also the owners as well. From league ban and minus and lack of competition money and many other stuff, but also champions league and all european as well. Nobody would want to let Barcelona get away with it if they have a trouble like that. But lets be honest they are going to heal until the league starts as well. So at the end of the day we are going to see these people get better and the league will probably not face any troubles. And the masks are smart business decision, masks are needed anyway no matter how, as long as they are not doing anything illegal, I do not see it any different than selling jersey.

Someone mentioned before that because of GDPR regulation clubs or authorities can't publish names of the players with corona virus.
I can accept it but still they should be transparent and say how many players are infected.
There is no reason to hide such general info.
Ok, eventually all players will probably recover but how can we be sure that even now we don't haveplayers with corona virus?
Such info we should find on the official club site, not on some unknown online portals.

I strongly agree that there should be complete transparency regarding such a serious matter.A player with Covid 19 can at least infect the other players in his team and the team he will play against.The other players unknowingly can infect people near them and become a source of Covid spread.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 05, 2020, 01:32:00 AM

Someone mentioned before that because of GDPR regulation clubs or authorities can't publish names of the players with corona virus.
I can accept it but still they should be transparent and say how many players are infected.
There is no reason to hide such general info.
Ok, eventually all players will probably recover but how can we be sure that even now we don't haveplayers with corona virus?
Such info we should find on the official club site, not on some unknown online portals.

It is for a medical ethics and everyone have rights of privacy, even they get infected with the virus. Now the virus is everywhere and things are nearly normal because people are familiar with Covid-19 and infected news. But in early days, infected people were discriminated if their personal details were leaked.

People got scared of infected people and considered them as evils, sources of a dealt disease in their communities. Such leak of privacy info and personal attacks or personal assassinations can lead to serious PTSDs.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on June 04, 2020, 02:29:42 PM

If any team hides the players that have coronavirus, that would be a big punishment, not only a big punishment for the team and the front office but also the owners as well. From league ban and minus and lack of competition money and many other stuff, but also champions league and all european as well. Nobody would want to let Barcelona get away with it if they have a trouble like that. But lets be honest they are going to heal until the league starts as well. So at the end of the day we are going to see these people get better and the league will probably not face any troubles. And the masks are smart business decision, masks are needed anyway no matter how, as long as they are not doing anything illegal, I do not see it any different than selling jersey.

Someone mentioned before that because of GDPR regulation clubs or authorities can't publish names of the players with corona virus.
I can accept it but still they should be transparent and say how many players are infected.
There is no reason to hide such general info.
Ok, eventually all players will probably recover but how can we be sure that even now we don't haveplayers with corona virus?
Such info we should find on the official club site, not on some unknown online portals.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 04, 2020, 02:17:01 PM

Well, selling masks is nothing strange in current situation, so many clubs are doing same. But probably income from such sales is such insignificant that's not even worth to mention.

No one says it's strange. Just saying that Barca wouldn't spend a lot of money to hide the truth about their covid-19 infected players from people while they are still in financial crisis.

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 04, 2020, 02:17:01 PM

But could you elaborate for what exactly Barca rivals could sue them?

Don't you think it's a serious issue, if a friend of your kid get infected with some disease, but his parents hide it from you?

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If any team hides the players that have coronavirus, that would be a big punishment, not only a big punishment for the team and the front office but also the owners as well. From league ban and minus and lack of competition money and many other stuff, but also champions league and all european as well. Nobody would want to let Barcelona get away with it if they have a trouble like that. But lets be honest they are going to heal until the league starts as well. So at the end of the day we are going to see these people get better and the league will probably not face any troubles. And the masks are smart business decision, masks are needed anyway no matter how, as long as they are not doing anything illegal, I do not see it any different than selling jersey.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 04, 2020, 02:18:52 AM

When I sew this news in Croatian online portal I tried to find original article but couldn't.
I don't understand spanish so couldn't search there.
Unfortunately, Croatian portal only shared news but didn't share original link.
So, it seems there is no way to confirm this news.
If true, it's big scandal to hide something like this from the public.

Here is the original link from Catalan radio:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rac1.cat/esports/20200602/481569033694/cinc-futbolistes-barca-coronavirus-positiu-barcelona-covid-19.html%3ffacet=amp. I also saw these news on major Spanish newspapers like Marca or AS, so this information wasn't hidden.
And I agree with @Trofo, there is no need to reveal names of players who got infected, information that was published is sufficient. After all, there is things like privacy, GDPR which protect personal information about people.

Quote from: jayce on June 03, 2020, 10:38:01 PM

They even selling masks in their official store^[2], to get uhm, more money. Beside that, their rivals also could sue Barca for this kind of act since it could risk their own players if the news is real. I think all parties are trying to bring the league back.

^{[1] https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-financial-crisis-barcelona
[2] https://store.fcbarcelona.com/en/c/0_3_7}

Well, selling masks is nothing strange in current situation, so many clubs are doing same. But probably income from such sales is such insignificant that's not even worth to mention.
But could you elaborate for what exactly Barca rivals could sue them?

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Right now all teams had like 3 months break, I feel like neither losing to bottom teams nor winning against Liverpool really means anything to these teams anymore. Sure when you got the momentum either doing good or doing bad you will probably continue until you break that momentum but if we had a 3 month break so there is really no momentum for any team at all.

Each team will start like it is the first games of the season and they will probably not have anything psychologically neither. They are also not that bad on the rankings neither, they look sixt on paper but they are just 2 points behind the third team, so they could become a very good team ending the season at third and gain a ton of money from it and go to champions league, all thanks to couple wins in a row.

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 04, 2020, 05:16:30 AM

We have seen it quite often from smaller clubs with less resources (player wise) who know they cannot possibly win the league AND compete in all the cup games so they try to aim for cup games for prize money.

Correct. That's why we can't take Copa Del Rey game as a reference to scale performance of some team. They usually put their 2nd squad into the game to let players who rarely get into line-up to play. So it's not a surprising thing at all to see some big teams lose in domestic cup competition even if their opponent is from 2nd or 3rd league.

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Quote from: jayce on June 03, 2020, 10:38:01 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 03, 2020, 02:54:22 PM

I think that recent results doesn't means much after such long break. Maybe Atletico kicked out Liverpool from Champions league, but they are very vulnerable this season and struggling even bottom table teams. Loss against Eibar, draws against Granada, Leganes, Alaves, Valladolid, Espanyol doesn't looks impressive. They even got kicked out from Copa by 3rd league team.

Who knows their latest performance against Liverpool is the turning point to get their shape back. But still they managed to get many draws instead of losing the games, so I think it's fair enough to say the game result will be at least draw for Atleti. Even in the Copa del Rey match, Leonesa vs Atletico Madrid, actually the result in normal time is 1-1, but Atleti wasn't lucky enough so got conceded 1 goal in the extra time.

We have seen it quite often from smaller clubs with less resources (player wise) who know they cannot possibly win the league AND compete in all the cup games so they try to aim for cup games for prize money. UCL is extra lucrative because every round you win gives you millions. They are a really good team on their day, but they cannot maintain consistency thus the results in the league.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 02, 2020, 01:37:20 PM

I'm actually worried that as many as 7 people in one club were infected, which is a very large number, and I'm even more worried that it was hidden.

Quote from: Daniel91 on June 02, 2020, 01:37:20 PM

If true, it's big skandal to hide something like this from the public.

I don't think something like this should be public information. It is sensitive information which should protected by doctor-patient relation. Granted in this case there could be a conflict of interest since both the doctor and the patient are employed by the same club so there should be someone to oversee this results. Probably on the level of Spanish football association with unbiased personnel doing the at least some of the tests in the clubs.

Public shouldn't be able to know the results other than total number of people positive in the whole Spanish football association. Something similar to what Premier League is sharing with the media.

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Quote from: jayce on June 03, 2020, 09:30:46 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 02, 2020, 02:27:06 PM

I looked at schedule and I see that Barca and Real will have easy opponents. But some other top 6 will have tricky games, like Atletico will play against Athletic away or there will be derby of Sevilla too.

Yeah that wouldn't be easy matches for both Atleti and Sevilla. But getting 4 loses from the last 6 matches isn't a good record for Bilbao, while Atleti only got 1 lose. Though Atleti got 3 draws and I think the draw result is fair enough for both team. Regarding Sevilla, they got 8 points from their last 5 games, and Real Betis only 5 points. I'm aware these statistics are hard to be taken as reference due to current situation, but we can't just ignore it.

Quote from: Daniel91 on June 02, 2020, 01:37:20 PM

I'm actually worried that as many as 7 people in one club were infected, which is a very large number, and I'm even more worried that it was hidden.
And what about other clubs in the league?
I believe you are all aware that even one infected person is enough to ruin the plan to continue this league?
I'm very worried that other clubs are also hiding the truth about the number of infected people and how this will affect the continuation of the league.

Tbh, I'm not even sure about the news, because I can't find it in other sources. I mean, it should be supposed to be a big news, but seems there is no solid proof about it.

When I sew this news in Croatian online portal I tried to find original article but couldn't.
I don't understand spanish so couldn't search there.
Unfortunately, Croatian portal only shared news but didn't share original link.
So, it seems there is no way to confirm this news.
If true, it's big scandal to hide something like this from the public.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 03, 2020, 02:54:22 PM

I think that recent results doesn't means much after such long break. Maybe Atletico kicked out Liverpool from Champions league, but they are very vulnerable this season and struggling even bottom table teams. Loss against Eibar, draws against Granada, Leganes, Alaves, Valladolid, Espanyol doesn't looks impressive. They even got kicked out from Copa by 3rd league team.

Who knows their latest performance against Liverpool is the turning point to get their shape back. But still they managed to get many draws instead of losing the games, so I think it's fair enough to say the game result will be at least draw for Atleti. Even in the Copa del Rey match, Leonesa vs Atletico Madrid, actually the result in normal time is 1-1, but Atleti wasn't lucky enough so got conceded 1 goal in the extra time.

Quote from: arallmuus on June 03, 2020, 02:09:09 PM

I can only find it in these two site
1. https://www.thestatesman.com/sports/covid-19-five-barcelona-players-two-coaches-test-positive-report-1502895597.html
2. https://everythingbarca.com/2020/06/03/five-barcelona-players-test-positive-covid-19/

Either it is fake news or that barcelona put in alot of money to not let this news spread further. Possibly third option, The infected had been taken care of

Ah I see, I didn't get any result at the time I searched it. I don't think Barca want to spend money when they are still in crisis^[1] because of current situation. They even selling masks in their official store^[2], to get uhm, more money. Beside that, their rivals also could sue Barca for this kind of act since it could risk their own players if the news is real. I think all parties are trying to bring the league back.

^{[1] https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-financial-crisis-barcelona
[2] https://store.fcbarcelona.com/en/c/0_3_7}

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 03, 2020, 02:54:22 PM

I saw these news on many popular websites in different languages and it got enough exposure. As I understand, players got virus without symptoms somewhere back in March or April and now they are completely healthy and tested negative. So, there is no reason to isolate them from training.

Of course, nothing isolates them now from training because they have received intensive care during the healing period. The negative test result is the success of the medical team in handling this case from the Barcelona players and staff. Its nice if they are completely healed and the results are negative.

There are many cases of people being cured but when retesting the results are positive. Whatever the situation, being aware of something is one of the best ways to prevent a bigger problem from happening.

Quote from: arallmuus on June 03, 2020, 02:09:09 PM

I know for sure that top player like Messi wouldnt want to go near anything that might spread the virus to him ;

Sure, its no doubt mate.

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Quote from: jayce on June 03, 2020, 09:30:46 AM

Yeah that wouldn't be easy matches for both Atleti and Sevilla. But getting 4 loses from the last 6 matches isn't a good record for Bilbao, while Atleti only got 1 lose. Though Atleti got 3 draws and I think the draw result is fair enough for both team. Regarding Sevilla, they got 8 points from their last 5 games, and Real Betis only 5 points. I'm aware these statistics are hard to be taken as reference due to current situation, but we can't just ignore it.

I think that recent results doesn't means much after such long break. Maybe Atletico kicked out Liverpool from Champions league, but they are very vulnerable this season and struggling even bottom table teams. Loss against Eibar, draws against Granada, Leganes, Alaves, Valladolid, Espanyol doesn't looks impressive. They even got kicked out from Copa by 3rd league team.

Quote from: arallmuus on June 03, 2020, 02:09:09 PM

Either it is fake news or that barcelona put in alot of money to not let this news spread further. Possibly third option, The infected had been taken care of

I saw these news on many popular websites in different languages and it got enough exposure. As I understand, players got virus without symptoms somewhere back in March or April and now they are completely healthy and tested negative. So, there is no reason to isolate them from training.

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Quote from: skarais on June 03, 2020, 09:55:41 AM

Based on references that I read that someone who has been declared cured of the Corona virus can still spread the virus for several days after they have not shown any symptoms. During the recovery process, a person who is cured must do independent isolation because they can still spread the virus even though each person has a time that varies between 2-10 days.

Confirmed that this is correct. Anyone can get infected by the Virus even if they haved been infected and survived before.

Quote from: skarais on June 03, 2020, 09:55:41 AM

In terms of Barca players and staff, have they done the right thing to maximize recovery for those infected ? But I am very confident that they will get proper treatment during the recovery process and they will be retested before starting the official competition the next few days. Hopefully they are fine.

A club as large as barcelona wouldnt want to risk their healthy player therefore extra precautions will be made regarding this. I know for sure that top player like Messi wouldnt want to go near anything that might spread the virus to him Wink

Quote from: jayce on June 03, 2020, 09:30:46 AM

Tbh, I'm not even sure about the news, because I can't find it in other sources. I mean, it should be supposed to be a big news, but seems there is no solid proof about it.

I can only find it in these two site
1. https://www.thestatesman.com/sports/covid-19-five-barcelona-players-two-coaches-test-positive-report-1502895597.html
2. https://everythingbarca.com/2020/06/03/five-barcelona-players-test-positive-covid-19/

Either it is fake news or that barcelona put in alot of money to not let this news spread further. Possibly third option, The infected had been taken care of

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 02, 2020, 06:44:04 PM

Those infected players and staffs are better to exclude from the main team. Even if they are already recovered, there is no guarantee that they won't carry the virus to others.

Based on references that I read that someone who has been declared cured of the Corona virus can still spread the virus for several days after they have not shown any symptoms. During the recovery process, a person who is cured must do independent isolation because they can still spread the virus even though each person has a time that varies between 2-10 days.

In terms of Barca players and staff, have they done the right thing to maximize recovery for those infected ? But I am very confident that they will get proper treatment during the recovery process and they will be retested before starting the official competition the next few days. Hopefully they are fine.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 02, 2020, 02:27:06 PM

I looked at schedule and I see that Barca and Real will have easy opponents. But some other top 6 will have tricky games, like Atletico will play against Athletic away or there will be derby of Sevilla too.

Yeah that wouldn't be easy matches for both Atleti and Sevilla. But getting 4 loses from the last 6 matches isn't a good record for Bilbao, while Atleti only got 1 lose. Though Atleti got 3 draws and I think the draw result is fair enough for both team. Regarding Sevilla, they got 8 points from their last 5 games, and Real Betis only 5 points. I'm aware these statistics are hard to be taken as reference due to current situation, but we can't just ignore it.

Quote from: Daniel91 on June 02, 2020, 01:37:20 PM

I'm actually worried that as many as 7 people in one club were infected, which is a very large number, and I'm even more worried that it was hidden.
And what about other clubs in the league?
I believe you are all aware that even one infected person is enough to ruin the plan to continue this league?
I'm very worried that other clubs are also hiding the truth about the number of infected people and how this will affect the continuation of the league.

Tbh, I'm not even sure about the news, because I can't find it in other sources. I mean, it should be supposed to be a big news, but seems there is no solid proof about it.

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