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Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 07:03:04 AM

I don't think he can back at Barcelone anymore. It is not Barca's way. Pep may want to turn back but I don't think Barcelona will want him again.
I am sure Barca will find someone who everyone accepts or they may go with current manager. Setién is not so bad actually, but I agree his play mentality does not suit Barcelona. I had read in a few places that Barcelona could take Xavi an offer for a new mission. Don't you think it's a good experiment? For both Xavi and Barcelona.

Not sure it's the time to experiment for Barca as we've been doing that over and over now. They have a way to play that can win and be attractive, the time for them is to prepare for a post-Messi era, which is coming very, very soon. They might have to look beyond Xavi. I love him but this isn't the time for it.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on May 31, 2020, 06:59:28 PM

Just like Sir Alex Ferguson and other past genius coaches, Guardiola was one of a kind who will forever be missed by Barcelona. I support his decision of never returning to Barcelona because it will totally tarnish the image he left there. He got Barcelona at a perfect time but if he does go back there right now, he won;t be the same old Guardiola we know about

Guardiola always have been great coach and he still has a year left on his contract with City but the recent City getting banned from CL has put his stay into question. There are many rumours of him getting a move to Juventus right now after the City was banned. What I find good about him is that wherever he goes he quickly puts his tactics and game style he wants in to the team's play. Looking at how he went from Spain to Germany and move to England , I don't think getting back to Spain again and to manage Barca is on his mind.

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Quote from: shield132 on May 31, 2020, 06:52:19 PM

I liked Guardiola's Barcelona but there is no way he will return there and I think it's not necessary too. I remember in some interviews he strictly stated that there is no way he will return in FC Barcelona but idk reasons.

Just like Sir Alex Ferguson and other past genius coaches, Guardiola was one of a kind who will forever be missed by Barcelona. I support his decision of never returning to Barcelona because it will totally tarnish the image he left there. He got Barcelona at a perfect time but if he does go back there right now, he won;t be the same old Guardiola we know about

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 31, 2020, 06:44:38 AM

Pep wants to lead only the biggest clubs, and after Barcelona, Bayern and Manchester City there are not many more opportunities for him Grin

Real or Liverpool? No way!
So he'll either stay in Manchester or go back to Barcelona, in my opinion.
In Barcelona there is a lot of problems at the moment, the new coach is not accepted by most players, including Messi And if Barcelona don't win any titles this season, a new change of coach is likely.
Maybe it'll be the right time to get Pep back Cheesy

I liked Guardiola's Barcelona but there is no way he will return there and I think it's not necessary too. I remember in some interviews he strictly stated that there is no way he will return in FC Barcelona but idk reasons. I remember a lot of fans didn't Luis Enrique and there were some rumors that footballers were against him too but he wasn't changed. To be fair, I don't know what's happening in FC Barcelona lately because of my busy schedule but I think again that current coach will be here at least for two years.

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Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 09:13:09 AM

As I said in my previous post, I guess they will prefer a new and ambitious manager instead of an old and costly manager. If you remember the first years Pep came to Barcelona, he was not a career coach.

If Barcelona prefers a style with a new and ambitious coach then I think the UCL title will never be achieved because the new coach will not know the barcelona style of play, which is really how they control disobedient players that is the most difficult.

Pep Guardiola already knows what happened in Barcelona so he can win UCL several times with Barcelonan.

There is also that coaching will be held by Xavi will be like Lampard who successfully coached Chelsea.

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Training of two divisions of Spain is going to start from tomorrow, this is the first significant step after the COVID disaster. Hopefully from June-11 we are going to be enjoy the new match. Cool

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Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 07:03:04 AM

I don't think he can back at Barcelone anymore. It is not Barca's way. Pep may want to turn back but I don't think Barcelona will want him again.

The most recent coach to have managed Barcelona over two spells is Louis Van Gaal. He was coach for three years before departing in 2000 and returning in 2002. He was sacked a few months later.
Pep Guardiola was very successful at Barcelona during his for year stint, and I have no doubt that he would be welcome at the club if he chooses to return, as he is still one of the best managers around.

Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 07:03:04 AM

I had read in a few places that Barcelona could take Xavi an offer for a new mission. Don't you think it's a good experiment? For both Xavi and Barcelona.

The club and fans are hungry for success, especially in the UCL, an experiment is not what the club needs now, and it may be too early in his career for Xavi, I would rather he managed some other teams and also built his style and philosophy before taking up the Barca job which I have no doubt he will get eventually.

Nobody here can say that Pep has failed. I'm sure that's not the point. I just don't think that he will be asked by Barcelona after the teams led by Guardiola. Barcelona's desire to win for UCL has always been. For this, I'm not sure if they willingly want to reconcile with their former coach.
As I said in my previous post, I guess they will prefer a new and ambitious manager instead of an old and costly manager. If you remember the first years Pep came to Barcelona, he was not a career coach.

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Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 07:03:04 AM

I don't think he can back at Barcelone anymore. It is not Barca's way. Pep may want to turn back but I don't think Barcelona will want him again.

The most recent coach to have managed Barcelona over two spells is Louis Van Gaal. He was coach for three years before departing in 2000 and returning in 2002. He was sacked a few months later.
Pep Guardiola was very successful at Barcelona during his for year stint, and I have no doubt that he would be welcome at the club if he chooses to return, as he is still one of the best managers around.

Quote from: vycl87 on May 31, 2020, 07:03:04 AM

I had read in a few places that Barcelona could take Xavi an offer for a new mission. Don't you think it's a good experiment? For both Xavi and Barcelona.

The club and fans are hungry for success, especially in the UCL, an experiment is not what the club needs now, and it may be too early in his career for Xavi, I would rather he managed some other teams and also built his style and philosophy before taking up the Barca job which I have no doubt he will get eventually.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 31, 2020, 06:44:38 AM

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In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.

If Pep is to leave Manchester City anytime soon, it would likely be out of his own volition. During his four year stint at the Etihad, he has brought huge success to the club and despite the failings in his first year and poor performance so far this season in the EPL, he has done enough to secure his position. A move to Barcelona however is very possible, and if he chooses to return I'm sure the club would be Keen on such a transfer.

There appears to have been a bit of disruption at the Camp Nou, with Messi complaining some weeks ago about the style of play and how unproductive it is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in management.

Pep wants to lead only the biggest clubs, and after Barcelona, Bayern and Manchester City there are not many more opportunities for him Grin

Real or Liverpool? No way!
So he'll either stay in Manchester or go back to Barcelona, in my opinion.
In Barcelona there is a lot of problems at the moment, the new coach is not accepted by most players, including Messi And if Barcelona don't win any titles this season, a new change of coach is likely.
Maybe it'll be the right time to get Pep back Cheesy

I don't think he can back at Barcelone anymore. It is not Barca's way. Pep may want to turn back but I don't think Barcelona will want him again.
I am sure Barca will find someone who everyone accepts or they may go with current manager. Setién is not so bad actually, but I agree his play mentality does not suit Barcelona. I had read in a few places that Barcelona could take Xavi an offer for a new mission. Don't you think it's a good experiment? For both Xavi and Barcelona.

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In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.

If Pep is to leave Manchester City anytime soon, it would likely be out of his own volition. During his four year stint at the Etihad, he has brought huge success to the club and despite the failings in his first year and poor performance so far this season in the EPL, he has done enough to secure his position. A move to Barcelona however is very possible, and if he chooses to return I'm sure the club would be Keen on such a transfer.

There appears to have been a bit of disruption at the Camp Nou, with Messi complaining some weeks ago about the style of play and how unproductive it is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in management.

Pep wants to lead only the biggest clubs, and after Barcelona, Bayern and Manchester City there are not many more opportunities for him Grin

Real or Liverpool? No way!
So he'll either stay in Manchester or go back to Barcelona, in my opinion.
In Barcelona there is a lot of problems at the moment, the new coach is not accepted by most players, including Messi And if Barcelona don't win any titles this season, a new change of coach is likely.
Maybe it'll be the right time to get Pep back Cheesy

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 30, 2020, 05:46:15 AM

In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.

If Pep is to leave Manchester City anytime soon, it would likely be out of his own volition. During his four year stint at the Etihad, he has brought huge success to the club and despite the failings in his first year and poor performance so far this season in the EPL, he has done enough to secure his position. A move to Barcelona however is very possible, and if he chooses to return I'm sure the club would be Keen on such a transfer.

There appears to have been a bit of disruption at the Camp Nou, with Messi complaining some weeks ago about the style of play and how unproductive it is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in management.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 30, 2020, 05:46:15 AM

Still, after Barcelona, Pep won only national leagues, which was expected given the strength of Bayern and Manchester City, but Pep was no longer able to win the European Champions League again.
This may give some people the right to say that as a coach he is overrated and that he won the best results in his career with the best club in the world, Barcelona, and with the best player in the world, Messi, which was not difficult to achieve.

When Barca won all possible trophies, they had probably one of the best team in footbal history and it wasn't focused on Messi only. They had Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Valdes in their prime. But I wouldn't call him overrated. Yeah, winning Bundesliga with Bayern doesn't sounds like amazing achievement. But EPL trophy twice in a row, considering how competetive this league is is very solid achievement. He haven't won Champions league with other team than Barca, but I think it's not a reason to call him overrated.

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And finally some good news for Real fans Grin

Real Madrid working towards playing at the Bernabeu in October... with fans present''[/i]
It seems that Real will play the remaining matches this season at the Estadio Alfredo Di Stefano at Valdebebas and will later return to their stadium.
Real is preparing plans to open part of the stadium for fans in October.
Initially, only a third of the seats would be filled, and on January the entire stadium would be filled Cheesy

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2020/05/29/5ed02d2246163f56438b4591.html

It would be great news, not only for Real fans, but for every supporter of Spnish teams. But October is so far away and we have no idea what situation with pandemy will be then. It's possible that government simply will not allow to play with spectators, as initially they planned to play behind closed doors until 2021. Though, some football leagues in Europe already allow limited number of spectators to enter.

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Quote from: tokeweed on May 30, 2020, 07:29:52 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on May 29, 2020, 06:01:53 PM

So, it seems that after restart, La Liga schedule will be very intensive. From June 11th until 19th July games will be played every day in order to finnish season ASAP. First game after return will be derby of Sevilla between Sevilla and Betis - should be great game for return.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-primera-division/story/4099175/messis-back-la-liga-to-restart-on-june-11-president-confirms

Quote from: tokeweed on May 29, 2020, 01:47:20 PM

There's only one guy who could fix Barca's current problems. Pep. I think with everything going on with him, City banned at CL, mom died recently, he'll be looking forward to coming home. He could also take a year off again before coming back to management.

I think every fan of Barcelona would love to see return of Pep. But there is too many problems and drama in Barca office now. But maybe after president elections it would be possible. If Laporta would become president again, he said that he would welcome Pep with open hands.

Yup. It's the only move that makes sense after City imo. I mean even without the pandemic, I think it's more likely for Pep to return to Barca than go manage Juve despite all the rumors coinlocket's been hyping, pointing for a move to the Italian club.

Dunno... That's just me.

Quote from: hd49728 on May 30, 2020, 07:44:16 AM

Serie A's traditional tactic style does not fit what Pep is looking for and the league has lost its position among top leagues in Europe in the last decade. From all of those, I don't think Pep will move to Serie A, even to manage Juventus. What Pep is looking for likely a club that can help him fastly win the first Champions League since the day he left Barca. Pep need it to refresh his reputation. He won so many national titles, with Bayern and Manchester City but such titles don't help to protect Pep from failure accusations, from his bosses and from fans.

Both Manchester City and Pep have all reached their limits and they should desparate for better future. Have any of you think of PSG as the next destination of Pep?

@tokeweed last year Pep revealed his desire to return to Barcelona sooner or later, however he didn’t specify whether he would return for 2020 - 2021 season or no, but under the current circumstances it makes sense for him to return to Barcelona immediately. @hd49728 it’s worth mentioning that Man City may loose many player’s due to their champions league ban, and hence Pep may use this as an excuse and force his way out of the club.

Sources:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9384948/man-city-pep-guardiola-contract-barcelona/

https://www.gamblingsites.com/blog/5-reasons-why-pep-guardiola-is-leaving-man-city-this-summer/

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Quote from: tokeweed on May 30, 2020, 07:29:52 AM

Yup. It's the only move that makes sense after City imo. I mean even without the pandemic, I think it's more likely for Pep to return to Barca than go manage Juve despite all the rumors coinlocket's been hyping, pointing for a move to the Italian club.

Dunno... That's just me.

Serie A's traditional tactic style does not fit what Pep is looking for and the league has lost its position among top leagues in Europe in the last decade. From all of those, I don't think Pep will move to Serie A, even to manage Juventus. What Pep is looking for likely a club that can help him fastly win the first Champions League since the day he left Barca. Pep need it to refresh his reputation. He won so many national titles, with Bayern and Manchester City but such titles don't help to protect Pep from failure accusations, from his bosses and from fans.

Both Manchester City and Pep have all reached their limits and they should desparate for better future. Have any of you think of PSG as the next destination of Pep?

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 29, 2020, 06:01:53 PM

So, it seems that after restart, La Liga schedule will be very intensive. From June 11th until 19th July games will be played every day in order to finnish season ASAP. First game after return will be derby of Sevilla between Sevilla and Betis - should be great game for return.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-primera-division/story/4099175/messis-back-la-liga-to-restart-on-june-11-president-confirms

Quote from: tokeweed on May 29, 2020, 01:47:20 PM

There's only one guy who could fix Barca's current problems. Pep. I think with everything going on with him, City banned at CL, mom died recently, he'll be looking forward to coming home. He could also take a year off again before coming back to management.

I think every fan of Barcelona would love to see return of Pep. But there is too many problems and drama in Barca office now. But maybe after president elections it would be possible. If Laporta would become president again, he said that he would welcome Pep with open hands.

Yup. It's the only move that makes sense after City imo. I mean even without the pandemic, I think it's more likely for Pep to return to Barca than go manage Juve despite all the rumors coinlocket's been hyping, pointing for a move to the Italian club.

Dunno... That's just me.

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Quote from: hd49728 on May 30, 2020, 05:51:32 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on May 30, 2020, 05:46:15 AM

The owners of Manchester City have invested a lot of money in that club, and Pep failed to achieve the ultimate goal, to win the European Champions League..
In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.
Still, after Barcelona, Pep won only national leagues, which was expected given the strength of Bayern and Manchester City, but Pep was no longer able to win the European Champions League again.

Pep failed with his task in Champions League with Bayern and Manchester City (nearly failed if they will not win the title this season). To win the Champions League, teams need to have good luck besides their own strengths. Bayern had bad lucks with their matches against Real Madrid, definitely. In contrast, it is not a reason to blame for the failure of Pep with Bayern.

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This may give some people the right to say that as a coach he is overrated and that he won the best results in his career with the best club in the world, Barcelona, and with the best player in the world, Messi, which was not difficult to achieve.

Nowadays, it is a big challenge to win a high competitive Champions League if a coach solely rely on one key player, even the player is Messi. Do you really think Barca is still be strong enough to win the Champions League?

OK, I agree that luck is also important in football but it is no coincidence that Barcelona and Real have recently won several European Champions Leagues.
The best teams know how to win trophies and cope best under pressure.
Barcelona is always good enough to win the European Champions League, but the fact is that in recent years they have always lacked something for that result.
Disasters like big defeats in decisive matches against Roma and Liverpool must not happen to a club that wants to win the competition.

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And finally some good news for Real fans Grin

Real Madrid working towards playing at the Bernabeu in October... with fans present''[/i]
It seems that Real will play the remaining matches this season at the Estadio Alfredo Di Stefano at Valdebebas and will later return to their stadium.
Real is preparing plans to open part of the stadium for fans in October.
Initially, only a third of the seats would be filled, and on January the entire stadium would be filled Cheesy

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2020/05/29/5ed02d2246163f56438b4591.html

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 30, 2020, 05:46:15 AM

The owners of Manchester City have invested a lot of money in that club, and Pep failed to achieve the ultimate goal, to win the European Champions League..
In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.
Still, after Barcelona, Pep won only national leagues, which was expected given the strength of Bayern and Manchester City, but Pep was no longer able to win the European Champions League again.

Pep failed with his task in Champions League with Bayern and Manchester City (nearly failed if they will not win the title this season). To win the Champions League, teams need to have good luck besides their own strengths. Bayern had bad lucks with their matches against Real Madrid, definitely. In contrast, it is not a reason to blame for the failure of Pep with Bayern.

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This may give some people the right to say that as a coach he is overrated and that he won the best results in his career with the best club in the world, Barcelona, and with the best player in the world, Messi, which was not difficult to achieve.

Nowadays, it is a big challenge to win a high competitive Champions League if a coach solely rely on one key player, even the player is Messi. Do you really think Barca is still be strong enough to win the Champions League?

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Before Barca bought him from Liverpool, I was sure that he is perfect player for Barca and their style. But something just went wrong. I'm happy that he found himself in Bayern, but now I don't see his future in Barcelona, as much as I hate to say it.

It is strange because Coutinho moved from Liverpool to Barca after his very successful Word Cup, at least in his personal side. In the latest World Cup, Coutinho is the best player of Brazil, not Neymar. He found himself in Bayern and it is better for him to stay in Bayern. Coutinho reminds me about the Sneijder, who found himself after leaving Real Madrid and Arjen Robben who became a legend in Bayer after leaving Real Madrid.

In Barca, maybe Griezman will be another failed transfer, after Coutinho. I don't know why they both failed in the Catalan club, people talked about the dark effects from Messi, but honestly I don't know and there is no way to verify such drama.

I heard some rumors that Bayern is not interesting in Coutinho and I don't understand why. He really played very well last season in Bayern.
In Barcelona we have drama already long time because of new coach, fight in the club management, financial problems.
There are tensions also between players and Messi is not happy as well.
For new players is very difficult in such atmosphere to adapt and play as they know.

There's only one guy who could fix Barca's current problems. Pep. I think with everything going on with him, City banned at CL, mom died recently, he'll be looking forward to coming home. He could also take a year off again before coming back to management.

The owners of Manchester City have invested a lot of money in that club, and Pep failed to achieve the ultimate goal, to win the European Champions League..
In addition, in the English league this season, Manchester City is far behind Liverpool and by their standards they had a bad season.
This speaks in favor of your opinion that Pep could return to Barcelona, perhaps as early as the summer.
Still, after Barcelona, Pep won only national leagues, which was expected given the strength of Bayern and Manchester City, but Pep was no longer able to win the European Champions League again.
This may give some people the right to say that as a coach he is overrated and that he won the best results in his career with the best club in the world, Barcelona, and with the best player in the world, Messi, which was not difficult to achieve.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 29, 2020, 06:01:53 PM

I think every fan of Barcelona would love to see return of Pep. But there is too many problems and drama in Barca office now. But maybe after president elections it would be possible. If Laporta would become president again, he said that he would welcome Pep with open hands.

Pep. probably won't return to Barca too soon because he is smart and made a good decision to leave the club at his all time high in his career. I don't think Pep. will make a bet with his reputation by returning Barca when there are many drama currently and Messi has been on the downside of his career. The rest players of Barca now are not good enough to compete for titles.

If Barca does not have a kind MOU with considerable and ambitious transfer plans, Pep. will not return, IMO.

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