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Topic: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement - page 237. (Read 452224 times)

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Speculating any kind of the same percentage increase after 10PH is likely going to be wrong
That's why it's hard to use those mining calculators accurately.

We will likely hit 8-10PH come beginning of January, from that point on you won't see but a 3-4PH/Month increase Max. Each month the % increase will go down.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how far difficulty will go up. We're pretty much stuck on the LR train.

BTW: In the scenario I painted, I was assuming 70% increase in difficulty per month. By the beginning of January, after 3 months, that would be 1.70^3 = 4.91x increase in difficulty. Factor in a full two weeks of September that is another 30% or 4.91*1.30 = 6.38x increase in difficulty by my calculations. Current hashrate is 1PH, so that comes out to about 6.3PH at the beginning of January. That is a more conservative difficulty than a 8PH to 10PH. So, if I used your numbers, it might make the outlook worse.
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Speculating any kind of the same percentage increase after 10PH is likely going to be wrong
That's why it's hard to use those mining calculators accurately.

We will likely hit 8-10PH come beginning of January, from that point on you won't see but a 3-4PH/Month increase Max. Each month the % increase will go down.
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I did some simpler math relating to how likely an ROI would be for even the lowest purchase price of bonds at BTC0.15
Anyone want to refute this, please try:

The assumed variables are 70% difficulty increase per month, and a constant btc value ($140 by MtGox).
With an assumed perfect re-investment plan of 25%. Let's reduce the difficulty to a very generous 52.5% per month.

Sure, difficulty will taper off, but don't expect that to happen within the first months that 28nm's are starting to ship. So, seeing this kind of consistent difficulty gain into the middle of 2014 is very possible if not probable. Remember, BFL probably won't ship in bulk until February.

Based on that, with a zero cost for Bitfury hardware, we see (here: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/9dbdb5cf20 ) that at the end of May 2014 you have $13,100.
Subtract the first two weeks of October 2013 when you don't have equipment, and you have: $13,100 - $2390 = $10,710. Which is BTC76.5 in revenue per rig. So, that is the best case scenario for revenues from a Bitfury October rig received in mid-October up to the end of May. Any revenue after that is negligible because of difficulty.

There are about 50,000 bonds receiving dividends. That means each Bitfury rig received in mid-October (an optimal outlook) will have generated BTC76.5/50,000bonds = BTC0.00153/bond by end of May 2014. Take out the 25% for Labrat's fee and any re-investment, and you have BTC0.00153/bond x 75% = BTC0.0011475/bond PER Bitfury rig purchased.

The cheapest new issued bonds were purchased with bitcoins was BTC0.15
To make back the bond cost, you would need BTC0.15/BTC0.0011475 = 130 Bitfury rigs all operating from mid-October.
130 rigs is 52TH of equipment. But LR's current estimate for hardware is over 30TH. But how much over 30TH will it be?
Some of that is in Monarchs. Monarchs won't bulk ship until January or February of 2014.

Does anyone else see this as a problem besides me? Keep in mind, I was being conservative with the re-investment plan being perfectly 25% (part of the 25% would be an unknown LR fee).

Banking on reselling bonds? What would your bonds be generating in May 2014: ($210/mo/rig * 130 rigs)/50,000bonds = 55 cent/month per bond. What would you pay for such a bond?

By the way, I'm not trying to bash. I actually think LR is trying to make it work. I simply don't see how it's going to work now - unless LR has some insane deals on hardware and is being ultra-conservative on the hash power by at least 40% to 50%.

Before, I was thinking the bond prices would go up based on dividends, but I'm not so sure anymore based on the above longer term outlook. So, I was probably wrong with my high ratio speculations. Sorry to anyone that might have considered that speculation, which now seems to me as too optimistic.
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Ding Ding !!!

Nice Dividends !

Shares     50,000   
Price per  ฿0.00191274   
Total        ฿95.63700000

Now LabRat, give us some news Wink

News would be nice.
M31
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A great dividend!

Can't wait to see what's coming!
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Ding Ding !!!

Nice Dividends !

Shares     50,000   
Price per  ฿0.00191274   
Total        ฿95.63700000

Now LabRat, give us some news Wink
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O_o

Butterfly labs release a "Mining by GH/s"

==> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html

1 GH/s for $10.83 ( ~ 0.08BTC)
January-February 2014 release.


I would stay far away from any thing BFL Smiley

Indeed, so far they honnored more or less nothing of their promises. BFL is evil  Roll Eyes
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O_o

Butterfly labs release a "Mining by GH/s"

==> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html

1 GH/s for $10.83 ( ~ 0.08BTC)
January-February 2014 release.


I would stay far away from any thing BFL Smiley
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O_o

Butterfly labs release a "Mining by GH/s"

==> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html

1 GH/s for $10.83 ( ~ 0.08BTC)
January-February 2014 release.




Cointerra is $3/GH in January

Vs

BFL $10.83/GH in February (Josh said February is likely the earliest for those not in the "bullet run")

Doesn't effect anything.

It's harder to compare than that, though if you do it more thoroughly the BFL offering is probably even worse. Theirs is $10.83/GH/year - you don't own the hardware after a year, but on the other hand, there are no hosting costs like there are with the Cointerra equipment.

Also, when running the sums, don't forget that a lot of people have the 25% discount vouchers for BFL, which seem to be applicable to this offer as well. I still wouldn't touch it myself, but there more factors in the sums than at first glance...
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.
O_o

Butterfly labs release a "Mining by GH/s"

==> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html

1 GH/s for $10.83 ( ~ 0.08BTC)
January-February 2014 release.




Cointerra is $3/GH in January

Vs

BFL $10.83/GH in February (Josh said February is likely the earliest for those not in the "bullet run")

Doesn't effect anything.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
O_o

Butterfly labs release a "Mining by GH/s"

==> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html

1 GH/s for $10.83 ( ~ 0.08BTC)
January-February 2014 release.


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Wow, someone has listed their shares for .11 maybe its someone that wants to bring the price down or someone that got the bonds lower.. either way, thats not good, but I have faith...When the hashrate starts to go up, I believe so will the price of the bonds..

Interesting controversy about Activemining  today and what is the result - cheap LRM bonds.... I think Zachary is working his plan and well capitalized to secure the required hashing power.

Undoubtedly the gear is hashing away and the reporting is not accurate.....

Off to shop for more!

Oooh, interesting. Do you/anyone have a link to the AMC controversy? Or even just a one line summary?  Tongue
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Stuck at 0.805TH for a while now  Sad        http://labratstats.herokuapp.com/

He still has a message up that says they are split between pools:

http://www.labratmining.com/currentHashrate.php
legendary
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Stuck at 0.805TH for a while now  Sad        http://labratstats.herokuapp.com/
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Where is the news LabRat !?  Grin

I think a lot of people sell for harware.

At the moment 1 bond = 58 mh/s...not so attractive...
Even an Asicminer USB miner is 0.125 BTC for 333 mh/s

Until the hashrate bonds jump, price will be low...even lower than 0.11...

legendary
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Someone bought them before I could get the coins in there.  I would have loved to lowered my cost basis.

How many do you want, and at what price?

I wanted those 100 shares at .11872902  

Is 0.15 too high? [tomorrows dividends should be close to 0.0019]

Im getting ~0.00198 per share also, based on 3days@ 3.75TH + 4days@ 4.60TH, and divided into 50,000 shares.

Bought @ 0.15 = 1.32% weekly return

Its not bad, but im not personally excited by it yet.
Incidentally, whoever got that 0.118 fill, will return 1.67%
M31
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Damn!!!!

I wasn't home to make the buy at .11!  Oh, and damn!!!! I have no BTC until morning...

Anyway:  Expect a big payday tomorrow, and possibly even more good news.  

Was in touch with LR earlier, and he let me know that the dynamic updating for the Hashrate at his site may have been watched by too many people simultaneously (I was having trouble viewing it for most of the day so may have been one of the guilty!) thus causing some issues.

He turned it off because the owner of the pool he's been mining in has been doing pool updates/upgrades and it's causing instability. The miners kept kicking over to other pools and it made the Hashrate look bad even though it wasn't.

Looking forward to another great dividend day Smiley


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Life is a taxable event
wow, I'm the sucker that bought at .15 BTC just a moment ago  Grin.

Anyway, if anyone is selling 0.11 I'm more than willing to buy!
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Its a market reaction to the ACM issues today along with the hash rate showing as dropping on the LRM web site which has now been fixed. Zachary is on it and we have split between pools as is now stated on the LRM site

When you combine this with the low liquidity I think you have the answer. Personally I think the lower number of shares and investors is a good  thing for those that hold long positions as the bonds play at below market currently. Once LRM reaches its stated objectives then the liquidity will rise and he can float the balance of the 50,000 for additional equipment for expansion.

Also, the hard ware side of the business is in a huge state of flux right now with so many players buried in gen 1 or 2 chips above the current benchmark of $3 per GH set by Cointerra. Too many variables to call the market now.

Yea, with labcoin, ACM, etc has put a bad taste of mining companies in a lot of mouths... If anyone is interested, ill be selling a limited amount of my holding tomorrow after dividends are paid. PM me with an offer. I wont be selling too much because I have faith that in a few weeks we will all be wishing we had purchased more, but ive got to put food on the table now, if you get my drift....and no, it wont go for .11 a share, lol, im starving but not stupid, lol...
BKM
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Its a market reaction to the ACM issues today along with the hash rate showing as dropping on the LRM web site which has now been fixed. Zachary is on it and we have split between pools as is now stated on the LRM site

When you combine this with the low liquidity I think you have the answer. Personally I think the lower number of shares and investors is a good  thing for those that hold long positions as the bonds play at below market currently. Once LRM reaches its stated objectives then the liquidity will rise and he can float the balance of the 50,000 for additional equipment for expansion.

Also, the hard ware side of the business is in a huge state of flux right now with so many players buried in gen 1 or 2 chips above the current benchmark of $3 per GH set by Cointerra. Too many variables to call the market now.
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