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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 116. (Read 1079974 times)

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There QA doesn't matter, it's useless:

1. No hashing until October 15th the earliest, which they will probably miss deadline.
2. Head Engineer Howard left a month ago, they have no hardware person, and have sent chips and boards to 3rd party.
3. There is no Team, besides Sam, which could be Alessia
4. No exchange yet, they will only add hash after they are taken off of BTCT.

This thing is worthless, and will continue to plunge, as again nothing will happen until after October 15th, and they will be off of the exchange way before then.

Don't worry though make sure you hold until the Q&A tomorrow so you realize how worthless it is, when they tell you please wait 3 weeks until our 3rd party imaginary person hopefully fixes things, then you can sell for another 60% loss.


Great summary of current situation
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Yeah.  At the same time, though I think LC could use a board to oversee what's going on. And also offer assistance and in terms of how to manage things.

One of the reasons why the share price is in so much trouble is the rising difficulty.  If this was a year ago, it wouldn't be much of a problem if they got delayed by a month or so.  ASICMiner had issues as well.  B1 Avalons were delayed a month or two, but their owners are still pretty happy. 

The problem now is that with KnC, Cointerra, and the like there's not much room for error, before bitcoin mining becomes unprofitable.

The difficulty is not such a big problem here because this is not a normal mining security. This is a security that owns an asic design. That means they can create miner at cost. Thats fundamentally different to securities that have to buy miner for nearly enduser prices. Those last securities arent much better than when you buy hardware yourself. And you know it wont be a big success. But securities like labcoin can create the miners at cost and on top they will grow the mine. So the difficulty isnt a big problem.
I admit... i invested in 2 other normal mining projects, that dont own their own design, in the hope that the previous patterns of other mining securities are repeated. They went up and then slowly dropped. But since all the panic is going on in all mining securities now this wont work anymore. My bad. But companies like labcoin, that own their own asic design, are different.

Regarding the scam claims... they didnt run with the money because they wanted to earn more later? How that? I mean they still have 2million shares. Where is the sense when this would be planned as a scam? It would have been so easy to fake a miner. I could do this myself. Then when the shareprice is rising sell the 2 million shares. Easy as pie. Instead they post unfortunate news and know that it makes the price drop. So they are bagholding scammers? Really?

If this is a scam then its a scam done exceptionally bad.

I guess it could be a scam and they just fucked up in typical Labcoin fashion.  Cheesy

I got that thought too... Smiley but then i think... every kid could have made such a scam a success.

The difference to scams like pirateat40 is that pirate was still earn more than he paid out all the time. When this started to change he stopped paying out. With such a security that wouldnt make much sense. The IPO-Money would be what counts. Everything above that would be to pump the shareprice high so one could sell the shares the security issuer owns. It looks like that didnt happen. And they did exceptionally bad to push the shareprice. I mean they knew exactly when they will post bad news. They posted it and still have their shares. It would be the best time to sell them before. Or even fake a miner hardware and fake a cgminer screen output. Easily doable. Instead they post more and more bad news while bagholding their own shares. That means they either believe in the divs of the project or, if still seeing a scam, they want cheap shares. But even then... they could post news looking way worse. Or not speaking at all. Then the shareprice would be even way lower. They could buy shares with a sockpuppet account since they know it will succeed.
So either way i look at it... it doesnt make much sense as a scam.

I like to think you're correct.  

I wouldn't know if they are a scam or not, but one thing I can remember when Labcoin (Samual Noi) first created the original Labcoin thread and presented this project he was involved in... and he wasn't looking at IPOing the project but he was looking for private investors, or angel investors - I can't remember the exact words.  But what I can remember was that forum members here suggested it would be better to IPO as there was huge amount of interest in the project.  Can anyone else remember this in the beginning..?

Also my impression at the time, was they didn't seem like professionals, especially at IPO's... that's where theSwede comes to the rescue...  REMEMBER.Huh

So, what I'm getting at, is that this wasn't a scam intentionally, but this was a creation that evolved from this forum and everyone in it including myself.
I think that Samual Noi maybe genuine would like this to work out, but unfortunately he don't have a clue and is in over his head.
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Wait! Let me lower my low low bids!
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Is the countdown timer above the real deal?
It is the countdown to 24 hours after the announcement of a Q&A
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Labcoin just signed in.
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There isn't any evidence proving Labcoin is a scam and if I've called someone a liar then it's because they were telling lies.
you are the one lying right now!  There is evidence that it is a scam, in fact, their post history is enough evidence for that. You called people liars when Labcon themselves had lied (remember the 2 TH/s on Sep 10?).

Your "defense" for them lying was that they were behind schedule.  ha!  Grin

What lacks is evidence that they are legit, even though you continue to push that they are not a scam.
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Is the countdown timer above the real deal?
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Link to the IRC channel anyone? Haven't used IRC in a while.  Huh
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Defending liars for personal profit by saying, "That is a valid possibility."  Grin LOL!  Roll Eyes
by calling everyone a liar for calling Labcon out for their bullshit.
by saying there is no evidence of scam, when there is.
by defending them over and over
by preaching the "possibility of riches!"

and finally, by pumping the share price and SELLING OUT, while still telling people to hold/buy.

There isn't any evidence proving Labcoin is a scam and if I've called someone a liar then it's because they were telling lies. Also, where am I telling people to buy/hold and where am I pumping the share price? I just stated that I think the share price will drop as low as 0.00005 BTC on BTC-TC. I'm pretty sure that's lower than what it's currently at. I'm willing to take the risk that Labcoin are legit and will sort their problems out. If others aren't, then perhaps they should sell. It's their decision though, not mine. I couldn't care less what they do.

Like I said, I've already made my money back and I'm willing to gamble on them.
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Love those high volume buys at .002s just means as soon as it drops, massive dumps will come again.
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So many posters saying "I can't see how this could be a scam, so not a scam."
If you *could* see this as a scam, it wouldn't be much of a scam.
Your inability to see Labcoin as a scam is exactly what allows the scam to work.

The Moar U kno Cool

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Souvenir souvenir...  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

Offering advice is admittedly pointless in this thread but if you are willing to listen...

I know it's going to be difficult, but stop reading this thread.  Seriously, just stop.  You have made a (in my opinion 'good') decision to invest in this company.  Simply wait it out and ignore everything these guys are posting.  In a month I'll either be wrong or right, but I'm betting pretty heavily that I'm right.

If you just can't stay away, at least ignore the following people.  They are for the most part blatantly attempting to manipulate shareholders into selling.  There might be one or two honest posters in the list that I was a bit rash in clicking the 'ignore' button. But I can honestly say not having to read their FUD has made this thread much more bearable.

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WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING ON THAT LIST?  TAKE MY NAME OFF NOW OR I'LL SUE YOUR SORRY ASS!   NOW, GOD DAMN YOU!!!!!!!
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So many posters saying "I can't see how this could be a scam, so not a scam."
If you *could* see this as a scam, it wouldn't be much of a scam.
Your inability to see Labcoin as a scam is exactly what allows the scam to work.

The Moar U kno Cool
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this is actually it.  Confidence schemes work by gaining your confidence and tricking you into believing.  They don't work by looking like obvious scams.

You know what every successful scam has in common?  People defending it until the very end saying "it can't be a scam, because..."
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Defending liars for personal profit by saying, "That is a valid possibility."  Grin LOL!  Roll Eyes
by calling everyone a liar for calling Labcon out for their bullshit.
by saying there is no evidence of scam, when there is.
by defending them over and over
by preaching the "possibility of riches!"

and finally, by pumping the share price and SELLING OUT, while still telling people to hold/buy.
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So many posters saying "I can't see how this could be a scam, so not a scam."
If you *could* see this as a scam, it wouldn't be much of a scam.
Your inability to see Labcoin as a scam is exactly what allows the scam to work.

The Moar U kno Cool
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Yeah.  At the same time, though I think LC could use a board to oversee what's going on. And also offer assistance and in terms of how to manage things.

One of the reasons why the share price is in so much trouble is the rising difficulty.  If this was a year ago, it wouldn't be much of a problem if they got delayed by a month or so.  ASICMiner had issues as well.  B1 Avalons were delayed a month or two, but their owners are still pretty happy. 

The problem now is that with KnC, Cointerra, and the like there's not much room for error, before bitcoin mining becomes unprofitable.

The difficulty is not such a big problem here because this is not a normal mining security. This is a security that owns an asic design. That means they can create miner at cost. Thats fundamentally different to securities that have to buy miner for nearly enduser prices. Those last securities arent much better than when you buy hardware yourself. And you know it wont be a big success. But securities like labcoin can create the miners at cost and on top they will grow the mine. So the difficulty isnt a big problem.
I admit... i invested in 2 other normal mining projects, that dont own their own design, in the hope that the previous patterns of other mining securities are repeated. They went up and then slowly dropped. But since all the panic is going on in all mining securities now this wont work anymore. My bad. But companies like labcoin, that own their own asic design, are different.

Regarding the scam claims... they didnt run with the money because they wanted to earn more later? How that? I mean they still have 2million shares. Where is the sense when this would be planned as a scam? It would have been so easy to fake a miner. I could do this myself. Then when the shareprice is rising sell the 2 million shares. Easy as pie. Instead they post unfortunate news and know that it makes the price drop. So they are bagholding scammers? Really?

If this is a scam then its a scam done exceptionally bad.

I guess it could be a scam and they just fucked up in typical Labcoin fashion.  Cheesy

I got that thought too... Smiley but then i think... every kid could have made such a scam a success.

The difference to scams like pirateat40 is that pirate was still earn more than he paid out all the time. When this started to change he stopped paying out. With such a security that wouldnt make much sense. The IPO-Money would be what counts. Everything above that would be to pump the shareprice high so one could sell the shares the security issuer owns. It looks like that didnt happen. And they did exceptionally bad to push the shareprice. I mean they knew exactly when they will post bad news. They posted it and still have their shares. It would be the best time to sell them before. Or even fake a miner hardware and fake a cgminer screen output. Easily doable. Instead they post more and more bad news while bagholding their own shares. That means they either believe in the divs of the project or, if still seeing a scam, they want cheap shares. But even then... they could post news looking way worse. Or not speaking at all. Then the shareprice would be even way lower. They could buy shares with a sockpuppet account since they know it will succeed.
So either way i look at it... it doesnt make much sense as a scam.

 when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Yeah.  At the same time, though I think LC could use a board to oversee what's going on. And also offer assistance and in terms of how to manage things.

One of the reasons why the share price is in so much trouble is the rising difficulty.  If this was a year ago, it wouldn't be much of a problem if they got delayed by a month or so.  ASICMiner had issues as well.  B1 Avalons were delayed a month or two, but their owners are still pretty happy. 

The problem now is that with KnC, Cointerra, and the like there's not much room for error, before bitcoin mining becomes unprofitable.

The difficulty is not such a big problem here because this is not a normal mining security. This is a security that owns an asic design. That means they can create miner at cost. Thats fundamentally different to securities that have to buy miner for nearly enduser prices. Those last securities arent much better than when you buy hardware yourself. And you know it wont be a big success. But securities like labcoin can create the miners at cost and on top they will grow the mine. So the difficulty isnt a big problem.
I admit... i invested in 2 other normal mining projects, that dont own their own design, in the hope that the previous patterns of other mining securities are repeated. They went up and then slowly dropped. But since all the panic is going on in all mining securities now this wont work anymore. My bad. But companies like labcoin, that own their own asic design, are different.

Regarding the scam claims... they didnt run with the money because they wanted to earn more later? How that? I mean they still have 2million shares. Where is the sense when this would be planned as a scam? It would have been so easy to fake a miner. I could do this myself. Then when the shareprice is rising sell the 2 million shares. Easy as pie. Instead they post unfortunate news and know that it makes the price drop. So they are bagholding scammers? Really?

If this is a scam then its a scam done exceptionally bad.

I guess it could be a scam and they just fucked up in typical Labcoin fashion.  Cheesy

I got that thought too... Smiley but then i think... every kid could have made such a scam a success.

The difference to scams like pirateat40 is that pirate was still earn more than he paid out all the time. When this started to change he stopped paying out. With such a security that wouldnt make much sense. The IPO-Money would be what counts. Everything above that would be to pump the shareprice high so one could sell the shares the security issuer owns. It looks like that didnt happen. And they did exceptionally bad to push the shareprice. I mean they knew exactly when they will post bad news. They posted it and still have their shares. It would be the best time to sell them before. Or even fake a miner hardware and fake a cgminer screen output. Easily doable. Instead they post more and more bad news while bagholding their own shares. That means they either believe in the divs of the project or, if still seeing a scam, they want cheap shares. But even then... they could post news looking way worse. Or not speaking at all. Then the shareprice would be even way lower. They could buy shares with a sockpuppet account since they know it will succeed.
So either way i look at it... it doesnt make much sense as a scam.
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10 more hours until the long awaited Q&A session Wink
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I was clearly stating facts.

Labcoin announced they planned to bring 50 TH/s online in October. They've also stated that they plan to bring 500 Th/s online this year. I also stated what the network hash rate would be if Labcoin controlled 5% of the network with 500 Th/s.

All facts.
no, you were pushing those unlikely promises to get people to buy your shares.  you were defending known liars for personal profit.

Pump and Dump

FACT: there is no evidence to suggest that this operation is legit.

Defending liars for personal profit by saying, "That is a valid possibility."  Grin LOL!  Roll Eyes
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