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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 124. (Read 1079974 times)

legendary
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why is no one talking about the 0.85784594 BTC payment a few hours ago? People insisting this is a scam are no longer invested - why not leave us still invested to ride it out as it is? if you are worried then sell - if you aren't then you can afford to lose what you have invested!
legendary
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one more thing. The "one day delay until IRC chat" gives alberto the perfect opportunity to study this thread, and then come up with the least implausible story based on what we found out for sure and what we strongly suspect. He wil use that as well as any far fetched theories labcoin believers will come up with. Like I posted a long time ago, its amazing how helpful the bitcoin community is in lending credibility to obvious scams. Scamming here takes no talent really, just sit back, wait and draw on the talent of the community.  Smiley
legendary
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It is looking bad, but this has altered the risk reward ratio.. More risk and a much higher reward. I've bought some more as I love a gamble.. The whole premise of this from the beginning was a 1 in 10 shot of it happening. Now they have chips, but they are fucked or the pcb is fucked. Either way I don't believe it is vapourware or a scam. Ill be a bag holder if it is a scam, but that's why I've invested what I can afford to lose. I won't be bankrupt, I will be pissed off that I made a bad call. If people are investing more than they can afford to lose then they are the fools

Read the past 5 pages to aknowledge this is guaranteed a known scam, you are not gambling you are throwing your money down the bin.but hey maybe  you hit my sell orders

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence showing that Labcoin is "guaranteed a known scam".

copy and pasted from reddit as i can;t be bothered to write this all up my self........


All this info is public so does not count as doxxing or a witch hunt. This is merely connecting the dots of Labcoin. So one of the founders of Labcoin is 'Fabrizio Tatti' owner of iTec-Pro.
People discovered his sister Alessia under her skype account Delaria, chatting about beginning the Labcoin project: http://pastebin.com/1Rq8r4UW
Confirming Labcoin = Delaria : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labcoin-120219
Searches of Alessia(Delaria) point to a prior scam involvement with Alberto Armandi. They are husband and wife.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ENSO-Co/internet/ENSO-Co-Alberto-Armandi-Alessia-Tatti-Promoting-ZenPad-like-the-IPAd-and-will-take-you-590629 owner of the vaporware scam company Enso:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ensos-zenpad-is-vaporware-get-refunds-while-they-last/
Alberto is also a notorious scammer in the bitcoin community:
http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/
Upon searching Fabrizio Tatti's friends list on Facebook, we see a direct match, he is affiliated with both scammers: https://i.imgur.com/pWl3uCS.png
Labcoin overview listing main players: https://i.imgur.com/nE7pVnT.png
Noi, Wang and Sparmann downplay their affiliation with Labcoin, or are unreachable.
Fabrizio plays dumb: https://i.imgur.com/TolLKn6.png
Alberto and Alessia I believe are playing under the Labcoin account. Compare Labcoin's responses to Alberto response's during his bdt scam: http://imgur.com/SJ47B8d
There is also evidence that TheSwede, the PR spokesman, took a 950 bitcoin payment to front the scam. http://imgur.com/rbnK68T
At the time Labcoin went live, TheSwede was on the forums trying to buy cars and Rolexes. http://imgur.com/bCNv8Bk
TLDR: The Labcoin scam has stolen 7000 bitcoins from the community + countless others who bought through day-trading.
EDIT: Labcoin responds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.15960 "We will explain everything tomorrow on IRC"




Not a scam?Huh?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So where's the actual evidence?

Someone called "agath" and someone called "delaria" had a conversation about involving bitcoins and ASICs. There's no mention of Labcoin or iTec Pro Ltd. Doe that prove Labcoin to be a scam? No.

The forum profile skype name does not confirm that Labcoin = delaria. I could set mine to "delaria" if I wanted to and there is more than on user on the internet called "delaria".

That ripoffreport is just a rant from a single dissatisfied customer.

There is no evidence showing that TheSwede took 950 BTC, just FUDsters suggesting it.

What TheSwede was buying with his BTC at the time of the IPO is irrelevant.


So, your "evidence" for Labcoin being a scam boils down to Fabrizio Tatti being Facebook friends with a scammer.

No evidence, all of this is just one massive coincidence related to the fallacy of labcoin. Get a grip of reality, i'm sure your in denial as you want hope that your shares might go back up, i've been burned too by this stock, i was hoping the same thing, but shits gotten real and its time to man  up and accept your losses and that this is a scam

So, what you are saying is that there is no evidence of Labcoin being a "guaranteed a known scam"? You were just telling lies? Who would have guessed?
legendary
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Moreover, Why do it now when there could be a very important chat soon? How can it be any worse tomorrow?

Because, alas, most previous announcements of announcements had a direct impact on the share price, cutting it sometimes by half.

This is just the cold truth, sorry...
That only matters to someone waiting for better chance to buy back. For me, not much difference between 0.0002 and 0.0001.
legendary
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I went out at 0.0004, losing around 10btc. I dont understand how people believe this can rise again; the same way I dont get why the stock is still at 0.00025. It should be 0: they are not even trying to convince us about the truth, the are just letting the time pass.

For my, It's over, and we all have been on a perpetual denial when they have avoided to answer real questions.
If they prove in the future that we all were wrong, good for you, but its almost impossible.

It's only 32 BTC away from 0.00022, just saying...
hero member
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meanwhile labcoin is on the top 20 fastest miners and top 10 teams on btcguild.

https://www.btcguild.com//index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams

We're raising additional funds for the project at a soddisfacent rate and the team is already onto some very good results.

not many chinaman will slip into italian tongue  Smiley

Wow great find.

This pretty much proves Sam Noi is not Chinese, he is Alberto using an italian to english translator. 

It's not a new find...

meanwhile labcoin is on the top 20 fastest miners and top 10 teams on btcguild.

https://www.btcguild.com//index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams

We're raising additional funds for the project at a soddisfacent rate and the team is already onto some very good results.
I don't think I've ever seen the word "soddisfacent" before.  Is that english?  I see that there is an Italian word that is similar which means "satisfactory".  Does that mean you are not looking for investors?

Admittedly yes, the word "soddisfacent" doesn't exist in English language. Satisfactory is the right word.thanks for the head up.
We are not selling pre-orders, but talks with investors are open, just pm us.

Cheers

EDIT: spelling

...and while it is suspicious, lots of people who learn other languages learn more than one.
legendary
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Digging a bit further in to Alberto's past, some clear patterns emerge. For instance, he always tries to hide behind someone reputable. He has been hiding behind Deadterra for bitcoinrebate (whatever happened to that ? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/v50jc/bitcoinrebatecom_vaporised/ ), behind Meni Rosenfeld for bitcoindaytrade, this time apparently he couldnt get anyone more reputable than the swede anymore for labcoin Cheesy Maybe thats why he invoked his brother in law's profile
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I went out at 0.0004, losing around 10btc. I dont understand how people believe this can rise again; the same way I dont get why the stock is still at 0.00025. It should be 0: they are not even trying to convince us about the truth, the are just letting the time pass.

For my, It's over, and we all have been on a perpetual denial when they have avoided to answer real questions.
If they prove in the future that we all were wrong, good for you, but its almost impossible.
legendary
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Look at this scam:

https://www.odesk.com/o/jobs/job/_~~0004f9d9a9eea142/

The Location was posted as Italy, so for Tatti to claim he has no knowledge of Labcoin, is complete BS, this thing was posted Aug 2012.

Fishy Fishy like everything Labcoin related

Sam was supposed to be in China. Why would he be named 'Sam' anyway, it is a western name.

And the Labcoin handle really does type in more of a European way... we have plenty of Chinese posters here and they all have a distinctly different way of typing.

I really think that Sam = Alberto/Alessia


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meanwhile labcoin is on the top 20 fastest miners and top 10 teams on btcguild.

https://www.btcguild.com//index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams

We're raising additional funds for the project at a soddisfacent rate and the team is already onto some very good results.

not many chinaman will slip into italian tongue  Smiley

Wow great find.

This pretty much proves Sam Noi is not Chinese, he is Alberto using an italian to english translator. 

No one think Samul Noi is a Chinese here.
legendary
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So the question right now: what is Alberto's connection to Labcoin, to what degree is he involved and what are the implications?

Alberto Armandi (Mad Scientist, Hacker, Creative, CEO Enso Limited)

https://twitter.com/albertoarmandi

is brother-in-law of Fabrizzio Tatti (Labcoin project founder)

http://s15.postimg.org/n3qs65923/Untitled.png



Do you mean this pic? To me it is too blur to see anything. How can it to be a proof?
hero member
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as far as i know Alberto/Alessia = Delaria = Labcoin   are currently fraudster and will searched via European investigations. Its not easy to get evidence that they are Scammers. But in real they are!

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All this info is public so does not count as doxxing or a witch hunt. This is merely connecting the dots of Labcoin. So one of the founders of Labcoin is 'Fabrizio Tatti' owner of iTec-Pro.
People discovered his sister Alessia under her skype account Delaria, chatting about beginning the Labcoin project: http://pastebin.com/1Rq8r4UW
Confirming Labcoin = Delaria : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labcoin-120219
Searches of Alessia(Delaria) point to a prior scam involvement with Alberto Armandi. They are husband and wife.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ENSO-Co/internet/ENSO-Co-Alberto-Armandi-Alessia-Tatti-Promoting-ZenPad-like-the-IPAd-and-will-take-you-590629 owner of the vaporware scam company Enso:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ensos-zenpad-is-vaporware-get-refunds-while-they-last/
Alberto is also a notorious scammer in the bitcoin community:
http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/
Upon searching Fabrizio Tatti's friends list on Facebook, we see a direct match, he is affiliated with both scammers: https://i.imgur.com/pWl3uCS.png
Labcoin overview listing main players: https://i.imgur.com/nE7pVnT.png
Noi, Wang and Sparmann downplay their affiliation with Labcoin, or are unreachable.
Fabrizio plays dumb: https://i.imgur.com/TolLKn6.png
Alberto and Alessia I believe are playing under the Labcoin account. Compare Labcoin's responses to Alberto response's during his bdt scam: http://imgur.com/SJ47B8d
There is also evidence that TheSwede, the PR spokesman, took a 950 bitcoin payment to front the scam. http://imgur.com/rbnK68T
At the time Labcoin went live, TheSwede was on the forums trying to buy cars and Rolexes. http://imgur.com/bCNv8Bk
TLDR: The Labcoin scam has stolen 7000 bitcoins from the community + countless others who bought through day-trading.



The bitter truth..
legendary
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Moreover, Why do it now when there could be a very important chat soon? How can it be any worse tomorrow?

Because, alas, most previous announcements of announcements had a direct impact on the share price, cutting it sometimes by half.

This is just the cold truth, sorry...
legendary
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Look at this scam:

https://www.odesk.com/o/jobs/job/_~~0004f9d9a9eea142/

The Location was posted as Italy, so for Tatti to claim he has no knowledge of Labcoin, is complete BS, this thing was posted Aug 2012.

Fishy Fishy like everything Labcoin related

Sam was supposed to be in China. Why would he be named 'Sam' anyway, it is a western name.

And the Labcoin handle really does type in more of a European way... we have plenty of Chinese posters here and they all have a distinctly different way of typing.

I really think that Sam = Alberto/Alessia


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meanwhile labcoin is on the top 20 fastest miners and top 10 teams on btcguild.

https://www.btcguild.com//index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams

We're raising additional funds for the project at a soddisfacent rate and the team is already onto some very good results.

not many chinaman will slip into italian tongue  Smiley

Wow great find.

This pretty much proves Sam Noi is not Chinese, he is Alberto using an italian to english translator. 
legendary
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Anyway, there's no difference between selling at current price and holding it to 0. Selling now may save me a couple of BTC, but it also just give some guys here a chance to double or triple their BTCs. Think carefully before selling. Moreover, Why do it now when there could be a very important chat soon? How can it be any worse tomorrow?
legendary
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The husband/wife evidence was in Fabreeze's facebook, Alberto was listed as his brother-in-law. Someone took a pic a few pages back.

Also remember this isn't a court case where we have to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt, the jury is your own common sense.
legendary
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It is looking bad, but this has altered the risk reward ratio.. More risk and a much higher reward. I've bought some more as I love a gamble.. The whole premise of this from the beginning was a 1 in 10 shot of it happening. Now they have chips, but they are fucked or the pcb is fucked. Either way I don't believe it is vapourware or a scam. Ill be a bag holder if it is a scam, but that's why I've invested what I can afford to lose. I won't be bankrupt, I will be pissed off that I made a bad call. If people are investing more than they can afford to lose then they are the fools

Read the past 5 pages to aknowledge this is guaranteed a known scam, you are not gambling you are throwing your money down the bin.but hey maybe  you hit my sell orders

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence showing that Labcoin is "guaranteed a known scam".

copy and pasted from reddit as i can;t be bothered to write this all up my self........


All this info is public so does not count as doxxing or a witch hunt. This is merely connecting the dots of Labcoin. So one of the founders of Labcoin is 'Fabrizio Tatti' owner of iTec-Pro.
People discovered his sister Alessia under her skype account Delaria, chatting about beginning the Labcoin project: http://pastebin.com/1Rq8r4UW
Confirming Labcoin = Delaria : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labcoin-120219
Searches of Alessia(Delaria) point to a prior scam involvement with Alberto Armandi. They are husband and wife.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ENSO-Co/internet/ENSO-Co-Alberto-Armandi-Alessia-Tatti-Promoting-ZenPad-like-the-IPAd-and-will-take-you-590629 owner of the vaporware scam company Enso:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ensos-zenpad-is-vaporware-get-refunds-while-they-last/
Alberto is also a notorious scammer in the bitcoin community:
http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/
Upon searching Fabrizio Tatti's friends list on Facebook, we see a direct match, he is affiliated with both scammers: https://i.imgur.com/pWl3uCS.png
Labcoin overview listing main players: https://i.imgur.com/nE7pVnT.png
Noi, Wang and Sparmann downplay their affiliation with Labcoin, or are unreachable.
Fabrizio plays dumb: https://i.imgur.com/TolLKn6.png
Alberto and Alessia I believe are playing under the Labcoin account. Compare Labcoin's responses to Alberto response's during his bdt scam: http://imgur.com/SJ47B8d
There is also evidence that TheSwede, the PR spokesman, took a 950 bitcoin payment to front the scam. http://imgur.com/rbnK68T
At the time Labcoin went live, TheSwede was on the forums trying to buy cars and Rolexes. http://imgur.com/bCNv8Bk
TLDR: The Labcoin scam has stolen 7000 bitcoins from the community + countless others who bought through day-trading.
EDIT: Labcoin responds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.15960 "We will explain everything tomorrow on IRC"




Not a scam?Huh?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So where's the actual evidence?

Someone called "agath" and someone called "delaria" had a conversation about involving bitcoins and ASICs. There's no mention of Labcoin or iTec Pro Ltd. Doe that prove Labcoin to be a scam? No.

The forum profile skype name does not confirm that Labcoin = delaria. I could set mine to "delaria" if I wanted to and there is more than on user on the internet called "delaria".

That ripoffreport is just a rant from a single dissatisfied customer.

There is no evidence showing that TheSwede took 950 BTC, just FUDsters suggesting it.

What TheSwede was buying with his BTC at the time of the IPO is irrelevant.


So, your "evidence" for Labcoin being a scam boils down to Fabrizio Tatti being Facebook friends with a scammer.

No evidence, all of this is just one massive coincidence related to the fallacy of labcoin. Get a grip of reality, i'm sure your in denial as you want hope that your shares might go back up, i've been burned too by this stock, i was hoping the same thing, but shits gotten real and its time to man  up and accept your losses and that this is a scam
legendary
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Prove Alberto is involved in labcoin first. I haven't see the evidence to prove Alesia is Alberto's wife. Moreover, there's no evidence to exclude the possibility Alesia is not in this project anymore as said by labcoin.
legendary
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It is looking bad, but this has altered the risk reward ratio.. More risk and a much higher reward. I've bought some more as I love a gamble.. The whole premise of this from the beginning was a 1 in 10 shot of it happening. Now they have chips, but they are fucked or the pcb is fucked. Either way I don't believe it is vapourware or a scam. Ill be a bag holder if it is a scam, but that's why I've invested what I can afford to lose. I won't be bankrupt, I will be pissed off that I made a bad call. If people are investing more than they can afford to lose then they are the fools

Read the past 5 pages to aknowledge this is guaranteed a known scam, you are not gambling you are throwing your money down the bin.but hey maybe  you hit my sell orders

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence showing that Labcoin is "guaranteed a known scam".

copy and pasted from reddit as i can;t be bothered to write this all up my self........


All this info is public so does not count as doxxing or a witch hunt. This is merely connecting the dots of Labcoin. So one of the founders of Labcoin is 'Fabrizio Tatti' owner of iTec-Pro.
People discovered his sister Alessia under her skype account Delaria, chatting about beginning the Labcoin project: http://pastebin.com/1Rq8r4UW
Confirming Labcoin = Delaria : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labcoin-120219
Searches of Alessia(Delaria) point to a prior scam involvement with Alberto Armandi. They are husband and wife.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ENSO-Co/internet/ENSO-Co-Alberto-Armandi-Alessia-Tatti-Promoting-ZenPad-like-the-IPAd-and-will-take-you-590629 owner of the vaporware scam company Enso:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ensos-zenpad-is-vaporware-get-refunds-while-they-last/
Alberto is also a notorious scammer in the bitcoin community:
http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/
Upon searching Fabrizio Tatti's friends list on Facebook, we see a direct match, he is affiliated with both scammers: https://i.imgur.com/pWl3uCS.png
Labcoin overview listing main players: https://i.imgur.com/nE7pVnT.png
Noi, Wang and Sparmann downplay their affiliation with Labcoin, or are unreachable.
Fabrizio plays dumb: https://i.imgur.com/TolLKn6.png
Alberto and Alessia I believe are playing under the Labcoin account. Compare Labcoin's responses to Alberto response's during his bdt scam: http://imgur.com/SJ47B8d
There is also evidence that TheSwede, the PR spokesman, took a 950 bitcoin payment to front the scam. http://imgur.com/rbnK68T
At the time Labcoin went live, TheSwede was on the forums trying to buy cars and Rolexes. http://imgur.com/bCNv8Bk
TLDR: The Labcoin scam has stolen 7000 bitcoins from the community + countless others who bought through day-trading.
EDIT: Labcoin responds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.15960 "We will explain everything tomorrow on IRC"




Not a scam?Huh?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So where's the actual evidence?

Someone called "agath" and someone called "delaria" had a conversation involving bitcoins and ASICs. There's no mention of Labcoin or iTec Pro Ltd. Doe that prove Labcoin to be a scam? No.

The forum profile skype name does not confirm that Labcoin = delaria. I could set mine to "delaria" if I wanted to and there is more than on user on the internet called "delaria".

That ripoffreport is just a rant from a single dissatisfied customer.

There is no evidence showing that TheSwede took 950 BTC, just FUDsters suggesting it.

What TheSwede was buying with his BTC at the time of the IPO is irrelevant.


So, your "evidence" for Labcoin being a scam boils down to Fabrizio Tatti being Facebook friends with a scammer.
legendary
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People unfamiliar with it should read up on bitdaytrade to see just how long alberto will be able to spin this.

Now I will say that in all of Alberto's previous "ventures" there was at least a some truth hidden behind all the lies. Enso did ship out a handful of tablets; they were not original designs as claimed, but just bought from an OEM, they were grotesquely late, didnt meet promised specs and it literally was just a handful (while claiming countless thousands units constantly). Mybitrade also appeared to have some underlying business based on bitscalper code IIRC, even though it never made a dime and all investors were screwed and are still waiting for their money. I still think there is a sliver of truth about Labcoin as well.

I cant find much on wozad, his earliest known venture that by is own admission was total failure too, instead of becoming a $5B business like the projected, but he seems proud of it anyway.

But in the end, whether Alberto is simply the worst 'serial entrepreneur' of all times or just a plain thief doesnt make too much difference for the prospects of labcoin.
hero member
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bingo as simple as it gets...

Then why are over 2 million shares still in the initial account?the scam makes 0 sense unless all the shares were traded. Burnside said the other day 66% of shares are still in the initial account. A sensible answer is that wang and other team members have been paid the shares.

That's really easy to answer... They just couldn't dump 3 million shares on the market in whole... There's little profit in that. That's why they need to create these waves in price with their suspiciously timed updates. It's no coincidence that this stock behaved like a day-traders wet dream.
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