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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 189. (Read 1079974 times)

legendary
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796 at least has a "money service permission" license. Whether thats enough, I dont know  (actually doubt it very much), but that is completely irrelevant. The issue is the assets themselves. Fabrizzio and theswede solicited investments in an unregulated security from  EU and US investors. HK laws almost certainly dont allow this either, but even that doesnt matter/ Its not because you solicit investments in a nigerian scam company that its legal here just because the supposed company is in Nigera. If you cant go after Fabrizzio, you certainly can go after theswede. Thats assuming anyone knows who he really is.

Why don't you go look up HK law and tell us what it says?  Given your moronic assumptions about technology (like claiming KnC used an FPGA hardcopy because it ran the same "RTL" code as an FPGA) it would be pretty ridiculous to assume you know everything there is to know about Hong Kong law, and how it's applied.

I think he means a US citizen, such as TheSwede75, will be under US law even if the company is in Hong Kong. Just like burnside has a company in Belize. Fabrizzio, mostly likely keeps his Italian citizenship, is also under law of Italy. How Hong Kong's law is does not change this.
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796 at least has a "money service permission" license. Whether thats enough, I dont know  (actually doubt it very much), but that is completely irrelevant. The issue is the assets themselves. Fabrizzio and theswede solicited investments in an unregulated security from  EU and US investors. HK laws almost certainly dont allow this either, but even that doesnt matter/ Its not because you solicit investments in a nigerian scam company that its legal here just because the supposed company is in Nigera. If you cant go after Fabrizzio, you certainly can go after theswede. Thats assuming anyone knows who he really is.

Why don't you go look up HK law and tell us what it says?  Given your moronic assumptions about technology (like claiming KnC used an FPGA hardcopy because it ran the same "RTL" code as an FPGA) it would be pretty ridiculous to assume you know everything there is to know about Hong Kong law, and how it's applied.
legendary
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He is definitelly Italian, probably born in Sardinia
http://matadornetwork.com/community/members/tepepa/

initially worked as a store manager in Italy on a company called Brico
http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabriziotatti

Around 2009, he moved to Zhuhai, Guangdong, China and became an English teacher in a Kindergarten
http://www.localyte.com/profile/187968--China--Guangdong--Zhuhai

Eventually he moved to Shenzhen, Guangdong (which is not far away from Zhuhai), he founded iTec Pro (owner of Labcoin) and he also works with "International Marketing" in OPPO, a smarthpone manufacturer.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabriziotatti
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Fabrizio-Tatti/1950368090

He was born on Jul 3 1982 (Age 31).
http://www.oppoforums.com/members/fabrizio-t.10738/

He's a vegetarian
http://www.happycow.net/members/profile_pb.php?id=65643

Likes to play badminton and rock climbing
http://www.gzstuff.com/groups/group/listForContributor?user=103wtqabccjz8

Impressed. Smiley I think now nobody in this forum dares to piss you off anymore.  Grin
legendary
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it is even legal to not refund anyone.

You dont really believe that, do you? Even the IPO was illegal. I know nothing of Chinese law, but it was certainly illegal in the US and EU and almost certainly in China too. You cant just publicly solicit money (or btc) for tradable shares in a company; thats an unregistered security. Thats why BTCT is closing.

China has different laws in different SARs.  Hong Kong has it's own laws.  796 operates there and trades ASICMiner shares.

BTCT.co is closing due to US law, not Chinese law.

Presumably if it is a total scam they'll be liable under HK law for fraud.

796 at least has a "money service permission" license. Whether thats enough, I dont know  (actually doubt it very much), but that is completely irrelevant. The issue is the assets themselves. Fabrizzio and theswede solicited investments in an unregulated security from  EU and US investors. HK laws almost certainly dont allow this either, but even that doesnt matter/ Its not because you solicit investments in a nigerian scam company that its legal here just because the supposed company is in Nigera. If you cant go after Fabrizzio, you certainly can go after theswede. Thats assuming anyone knows who he really is.
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
it is even legal to not refund anyone.

You dont really believe that, do you? Even the IPO was illegal. I know nothing of Chinese law, but it was certainly illegal in the US and EU and almost certainly in China too. You cant just publicly solicit money (or btc) for tradable shares in a company; thats an unregistered security. Thats why BTCT is closing.

moreover, even if the IPO somehow were legal, management cant just close down a company and claim all the IPO funds were spent without proving that. There is no way all coins could have been spent. Lets begin by seeing those "100K chips". Lets see some bookkeeping and invoices. If they cant provide that, its fraud, and even in China thats not legal.
Yes, it is definitely illegal in China. But Hong Kong, a special district of China, has its own law. I'm not sure how things work there.

I know they have to return all coins not spent. But I guess it's very easy for them to provide evidences that most coins are already spent.

At last, even they can refund the coins remaining, that's likely 0.0002-0.0003 per share. Do you think that makes much difference?
full member
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it is even legal to not refund anyone.

You dont really believe that, do you? Even the IPO was illegal. I know nothing of Chinese law, but it was certainly illegal in the US and EU and almost certainly in China too. You cant just publicly solicit money (or btc) for tradable shares in a company; thats an unregistered security. Thats why BTCT is closing.

China has different laws in different SARs.  Hong Kong has it's own laws.  796 operates there and trades ASICMiner shares.

BTCT.co is closing due to US law, not Chinese law.

Presumably if it is a total scam they'll be liable under HK law for fraud.
hero member
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www.coinschedule.com
He is definitelly Italian, probably born in Sardinia
http://matadornetwork.com/community/members/tepepa/

initially worked as a store manager in Italy on a company called Brico
http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabriziotatti

Around 2009, he moved to Zhuhai, Guangdong, China and became an English teacher in a Kindergarten
http://www.localyte.com/profile/187968--China--Guangdong--Zhuhai

Eventually he moved to Shenzhen, Guangdong (which is not far away from Zhuhai), he founded iTec Pro (owner of Labcoin) and he also works with "International Marketing" in OPPO, a smarthpone manufacturer.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabriziotatti
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Fabrizio-Tatti/1950368090

He was born on Jul 3 1982 (Age 31).
http://www.oppoforums.com/members/fabrizio-t.10738/

He's a vegetarian
http://www.happycow.net/members/profile_pb.php?id=65643

Likes to play badminton and rock climbing
http://www.gzstuff.com/groups/group/listForContributor?user=103wtqabccjz8
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1040
it is even legal to not refund anyone.

You dont really believe that, do you? Even the IPO was illegal. I know nothing of Chinese law, but it was certainly illegal in the US and EU and almost certainly in China too. You cant just publicly solicit money (or btc) for tradable shares in a company; thats an unregistered security. Thats why BTCT is closing.

moreover, even if the IPO somehow were legal, management cant just close down a company and claim all the IPO funds were spent without proving that. There is no way all coins could have been spent. Lets begin by seeing those "100K chips". Lets see some bookkeeping and invoices. If they cant provide that, its fraud, and even in China thats not legal.
full member
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The guy that need to provide us answers is Mr. Fabrizio Tatti, the CEO. He's the one ultimately responsible for our money.
Agree. But the point is that he will not refund anyone if the project failed, and in that case it is even legal to not refund anyone. Now the risk is not a scam, but a project failure. People are worrying about whether the current engineers know enough about the chip to fix the stability problems. Even Fabrizio will not have this answer, only the engineer himself knows.

I don't think so, especially if he mislead investors. Where's the 7000 BTC they raised at IPO?

I am not saying he mislead investors, but IF HE DID, he will need to return the money for sure.

They still have the chance to come to this forum during the day today and explain themselves.

It would be helpful to know how much of the 700Btc they have left.
hero member
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Is this https://www.facebook.com/fabrizio.tatti Labcoin's Fabrizio Tatti?



Yes, I think so (same person as the Linkedin profile)
legendary
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Is this https://www.facebook.com/fabrizio.tatti Labcoin's Fabrizio Tatti?



Actually this one: http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabriziotatti

He is not difficult to find since he has an company iTec Pro.
hero member
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www.coinschedule.com
The guy that need to provide us answers is Mr. Fabrizio Tatti, the CEO. He's the one ultimately responsible for our money.
Agree. But the point is that he will not refund anyone if the project failed, and in that case it is even legal to not refund anyone. Now the risk is not a scam, but a project failure. People are worrying about whether the current engineers know enough about the chip to fix the stability problems. Even Fabrizio will not have this answer, only the engineer himself knows.

I don't think so, especially if he mislead investors. Where's the 7000 BTC they raised at IPO?

I am not saying he mislead investors, but IF HE DID, he will need to return the money for sure.

They still have the chance to come to this forum during the day today and explain themselves.
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Sou
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I've literally watched other teams on the btc guilds top 25 double their hash rate over the last 24 hours. They probably should just give them the chips - at least someone would get them hashing.
legendary
Activity: 882
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The guy that need to provide us answers is Mr. Fabrizio Tatti, the CEO. He's the one ultimately responsible for our money.
Agree. But the point is that he will not refund anyone if the project failed, and in that case it is even legal to not refund anyone. Now the risk is not a scam, but a project failure. People are worrying about whether the current engineers know enough about the chip to fix the stability problems. Even Fabrizio will not have this answer, only the engineer himself knows.
full member
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How do I get my Labcoin shares out of BTCT before the shut down?

Labcoin should have your email address and 'exit address' for your bitcoins. They're supposed to manage the transition, which should go fine given how well they've kept on top of everything....  Roll Eyes
hero member
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Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
It is found that the key technician, the 130nm chip designer, Howard Wang, has moved to San Jose, US as a researcher in ITU on September. So it seems why their engineer team is imcompetent can be explained. Then a panic selling (dump > 20K to below 0.0009) after this news.

Well, people found a linkedin page for "Zhenghua WANG" that didn't seem to exist more then 24 hours ago, given the fact that the people who dug though the personal information of every Sam Noi in Ghana weren't able to find it.

All the information on there is stuff that people could have looked up or guessed, and there are lots of people who could have put the profile together.

Unfortunately Labcoin isn't giving out any information or keeping people up to date at all, and because of that the conspiracy theorists and trolls flourish.

No, the profile refers to the same person I found out on 9th August. Check it out, this is quote of my original post:

Back to the chip specifications...

Quote
10. How can you fit 16 cores on 6.5x6.5 ? How many cores on average per chip, what is your assumption
 The cores we have fit are not classical "unrolled cores",the cores as we mean them are the result of our engineering effort. i'll  pass the questions i can't reply to the lead developer

What are the cores as we mean them?

- Either those are classical unrolled cores, which output a result ("hash") per one clock cycle.
- Or they are rolled cores (as used by BitFury for instance), which need more than one clock cycle to output a result. In this case, how many clock cycles it is in your design?
- Or they are something else. If is it so, could the lead developer explain what it is...

One more question, can you confirm Mr Zhenhua Wang (http://cn.linkedin.com/pub/zhenhua-wang/56/962/668) as Labcoin´s head dev? There is slight confusion in names (Howard vs Zhenhua).

Thank you.


Thanks. That almost nails it down. The Howard Wang Zhenhua has indeed moved to US, and most likely he is not (at least not closely) involved in the labcoin project now.

The guy that need to provide us answers is Mr. Fabrizio Tatti, the CEO. He's the one ultimately responsible for our money.
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
It is found that the key technician, the 130nm chip designer, Howard Wang, has moved to San Jose, US as a researcher in ITU on September. So it seems why their engineer team is imcompetent can be explained. Then a panic selling (dump > 20K to below 0.0009) after this news.

Well, people found a linkedin page for "Zhenghua WANG" that didn't seem to exist more then 24 hours ago, given the fact that the people who dug though the personal information of every Sam Noi in Ghana weren't able to find it.

All the information on there is stuff that people could have looked up or guessed, and there are lots of people who could have put the profile together.

Unfortunately Labcoin isn't giving out any information or keeping people up to date at all, and because of that the conspiracy theorists and trolls flourish.

No, the profile refers to the same person I found out on 9th August. Check it out, this is quote of my original post:

Back to the chip specifications...

Quote
10. How can you fit 16 cores on 6.5x6.5 ? How many cores on average per chip, what is your assumption
 The cores we have fit are not classical "unrolled cores",the cores as we mean them are the result of our engineering effort. i'll  pass the questions i can't reply to the lead developer

What are the cores as we mean them?

- Either those are classical unrolled cores, which output a result ("hash") per one clock cycle.
- Or they are rolled cores (as used by BitFury for instance), which need more than one clock cycle to output a result. In this case, how many clock cycles it is in your design?
- Or they are something else. If is it so, could the lead developer explain what it is...

One more question, can you confirm Mr Zhenhua Wang (http://cn.linkedin.com/pub/zhenhua-wang/56/962/668) as Labcoin´s head dev? There is slight confusion in names (Howard vs Zhenhua).

Thank you.


Thanks. That almost nails it down. The Howard Wang Zhenhua has indeed moved to US, and most likely he is not (at least not closely) involved in the labcoin project now.
legendary
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The 7 Oct will be a very important day. The trading will be disabled, and most likely their promise of 20TH will break, so that will be a very ugly day for labcoin. I think most people here are just waiting for a miracle could happen before that day. Smiley
sr. member
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Assuming they can find a new exchange.

Which they won't be able to do if they don't immediately explain the current status of the project.
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