Can someone let me in on what happened?
we are hashing on BTC guild.
http://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams
watch that list over the next 2 weeks & profit.
As a shareholder ,WOOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!
Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 247. (Read 1079974 times)
September 22, 2013, 07:04:15 AM
we are hashing on BTC guild.
http://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams
watch that list over the next 2 weeks & profit.
As a shareholder ,WOOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!
September 22, 2013, 07:04:09 AM
>25 labcoin 643.39 GH/s
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
A changing hashrate is some sort of good news.
Bitfury or avalons hash at the almost the same speed 24/7.
So they must use their own chips that have a little, but solvable problem?!
I wish they addressed this "resetting chips" as it appears to be real -_-
September 22, 2013, 07:02:35 AM
Can someone let me in on what happened?
we are hashing on BTC guild.
http://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams
watch that list over the next 2 weeks & profit.
Also, check their wallet address for the payouts:
http://blockchain.info/address/17psAW21J4twanAFWmbcd5WdX2pKeX3trm
September 22, 2013, 06:57:12 AM
Can someone let me in on what happened?
we are hashing on BTC guild.
http://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams
watch that list over the next 2 weeks & profit.
September 22, 2013, 06:57:00 AM
>25 labcoin 643.39 GH/s
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
A changing hashrate is some sort of good news.
Bitfury or avalons hash at the almost the same speed 24/7.
So they must use their own chips that have a little, but solvable problem?!
September 22, 2013, 06:56:00 AM
Can someone let me in on what happened?
September 22, 2013, 06:46:43 AM
The chips aren't free. They still have to pay for the wafers. And the PCBs. And the soldering, and boxes to put them in, and so on. Those things aren't zero cost.
And when projecting dividents from mining you have to take the cost of power into consideration.
Because we are not far from difficulty levels, where power consumtion becomes significant for 130nm technology
So how do they play this than?
"The dividends paid will consist of between 70-80% all profits while 20-30% of profits will be held as a reinvestment fund for development, marketing and manufacturing."
I assume costs will be done from that percentage..
Beats me man. But the first thing they need to do is get that warning resolved and the share locking figured out. Next we'll see if they can really get anywhere near 20Th/s in two weeks.
September 22, 2013, 06:42:14 AM
The chips aren't free. They still have to pay for the wafers. And the PCBs. And the soldering, and boxes to put them in, and so on. Those things aren't zero cost.
And when projecting dividents from mining you have to take the cost of power into consideration.
Because we are not far from difficulty levels, where power consumtion becomes significant for 130nm technology
So how do they play this than?
"The dividends paid will consist of between 70-80% all profits while 20-30% of profits will be held as a reinvestment fund for development, marketing and manufacturing."
I assume costs will be done from that percentage..
September 22, 2013, 06:39:10 AM
>25 labcoin 643.39 GH/s
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
Guess there's a reset and labcoin's doing PPLNS.
September 22, 2013, 06:31:07 AM
The chips aren't free. They still have to pay for the wafers. And the PCBs. And the soldering, and boxes to put them in, and so on. Those things aren't zero cost.
And when projecting dividents from mining you have to take the cost of power into consideration.
Because we are not far from difficulty levels, where power consumtion becomes significant for 130nm technology
September 22, 2013, 06:29:54 AM
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It's not a question of "not knowing" those things, it's a question of having that data for all of the potential feature sizes you want to target. I don't understand why you think you can only know one thing at once.
It's not a question of "not knowing" those things, it's a question of having that data for all of the potential feature sizes you want to target. I don't understand why you think you can only know one thing at once.
Wait, you think that information is public knowledge and free? That you dont have to sign up for an NDA and pay for a design kit? LOL, they dont give you that shit for free.
But that isnt even the real problem, you still dont get it. Even if you would purchase that from every fab on the planet, know the process rules for all processes, you cant make a physical design that will magically universally work with all processes. You cant even expect a design for TSMC x nm LP to work on their HPL or LP processes. You are going to have to port it, because the process rules are different.
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Analogies do break down. I seriously doubt it's equivalent to manually porting a program from Java to C++, or vice versa -
It depends how different the process is. From TSMC LP to HP might be fairly trivial for a simple chip, but if you were to port from say, Globalfoundries SOI process to TSMC bulk you can basically start all over. Even if the node size is the same.
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Huh? They're late, and they're under powered. But they're only a week late and they're only under-powered by 60%. And their price is a lot lower then it was a week ago, reflecting reduced expectations.
Im talking about their 65nm pipedream chip.
September 22, 2013, 06:24:50 AM
"That leaves you dependent on those 130nm chips of which we have seen no indication to my knowledge of power consumption or production cost, nor even a clear statement they are ones hashing right now, no compelling evidence they even exist and work."
IMHO:
At this point (where hardware sales are not relevant) it does not matter what specs the 130nm chips have..
As long as they have them and deploy them.. In those amounts to reach the TH goals..
IMHO:
At this point (where hardware sales are not relevant) it does not matter what specs the 130nm chips have..
As long as they have them and deploy them.. In those amounts to reach the TH goals..
The chips aren't free. They still have to pay for the wafers. And the PCBs. And the soldering, and boxes to put them in, and so on. Those things aren't zero cost.
September 22, 2013, 06:18:28 AM
"That leaves you dependent on those 130nm chips of which we have seen no indication to my knowledge of power consumption or production cost, nor even a clear statement they are ones hashing right now, no compelling evidence they even exist and work."
IMHO:
At this point (where hardware sales are not relevant) it does not matter what specs the 130nm chips have..
As long as they have them and deploy them.. In those amounts to reach the TH goals..
IMHO:
At this point (where hardware sales are not relevant) it does not matter what specs the 130nm chips have..
As long as they have them and deploy them.. In those amounts to reach the TH goals..
September 22, 2013, 06:17:41 AM
Analogies do break down. I seriously doubt it's equivalent to manually porting a program from Java to C++, or vice versa - but even if it was there are still tools that can convert programs in one programming language into programs into another programming langue automatically. For example C++ to java converter and Java to C++ converter. People use tools that convert other languages to JavaScript all the time.
It certainly wouldn't be a last minute job, but if you were building your program from the start to work after being run through one of these converters (i.e. running it as a compiler step and ensuring that everything worked, including your test cases while developing your code) then you're not going to run into a problem.
Unless you're making performance critical ASIC chips. To use an example that you mentioned, CoffeeScript > Javascript often has a 15-25% performance penalty. It certainly wouldn't be a last minute job, but if you were building your program from the start to work after being run through one of these converters (i.e. running it as a compiler step and ensuring that everything worked, including your test cases while developing your code) then you're not going to run into a problem.
Well, scripting languages aren't usually tuned for high performance anyway. A C++ => Java converter should be able to generate code that's just as fast as if it has been written in the original language.
September 22, 2013, 06:15:10 AM
you do know that the IPO was to fund the development and production of new chips, right? Not related to the current production, which was prefunded?
Since the 65nm chip isnt anywhere near tapeout, most of the NRE charges needed for that chip to become a reality havent been spent yet.
(and one might hope it never gets spent, as I dont believe a 65nm chip, that is apparently still looking for a lead engineer, is going to be a profitable venture by the time it could feasibly be deployed.).
That leaves you dependent on those 130nm chips of which we have seen no indication to my knowledge of power consumption or production cost, nor even a clear statement they are ones hashing right now, no compelling evidence they even exist and work.
Correct me if Im wrong, but all we can reasonably assume at this point is that they are hashing with something at a hashrate you could achieve with barely over $10K worth of off bitfuries or a bit more in avalons. And we know TheSwede has ordered both of those. A rather odd thing to do if you expect to be able to produce your own asics at cost.
September 22, 2013, 06:12:38 AM
As the dividends come in, the share price will increase until the dividend is ~ 30% APR.
I am not sure what you don't understand.
What is there not to understand?
I'll explain it again for you:
The 20-50TH won't be enough to get IPO back for investors, so it will take at least the 65nm
chips to get there.
Even if divs rise to a point where share price has to correct to keep 30% anual return, that will only
be a short spike at best, since the diff increase will eat up "productivity" of the chips pretty quick.
And the 30% is an arbitrary value based on Asicminer, which is a company with a good record and
trust in the community. I doubt, that it can be applied to Labcoin.
But as i always say, everyone should make his own decision for his investments. But i really advice
you to get more information, since you don't seem to understand the connections.
Feel free to ask if anything is unclear.
With 20-50TH, the share price will be 2-5 times higher than now with dividends of around 30% APR as that is the "standard" in BTC securities.
500TH is planed for December. Gen2 to follow after that with sales and more in house mining.
September 22, 2013, 06:09:21 AM
As the dividends come in, the share price will increase until the dividend is ~ 30% APR.
I am not sure what you don't understand.
What is there not to understand?
I'll explain it again for you:
The 20-50TH won't be enough to get IPO back for investors, so it will take at least the 65nm
chips to get there.
Even if divs rise to a point where share price has to correct to keep 30% anual return, that will only
be a short spike at best, since the diff increase will eat up "productivity" of the chips pretty quick.
And the 30% is an arbitrary value based on Asicminer, which is a company with a good record and
trust in the community. I doubt, that it can be applied to Labcoin.
But as i always say, everyone should make his own decision for his investments. But i really advice
you to get more information, since you don't seem to understand the connections.
Feel free to ask if anything is unclear.
Hmmz but their goal is not to get 50TH; its to get approx 10-15% or more of the network..
But is doesnt matter how they do that; with current chips or with the next gen chips.. When diff rises they just have to deploy more gen1 chips.. to get their goal.
Or when the time is there the next gen chips..
September 22, 2013, 06:08:36 AM
OH comon swede, is it that hard for them to put a picture of rig hashing ?
September 22, 2013, 06:08:33 AM
"Even with 20TH or 50TH they won't be able to pay dividents as high as IPO." ?
I dont get that.. So the dividend per share should be IPO price? If that happens..
I dont get that.. So the dividend per share should be IPO price? If that happens..
I mean with difficulty change taken into account, the cumulated dividents won't reach
a value for IPO investors to break even.
Yes i know that. But many hope for nice returns in the short term and that's unrealistic.
I just wanted to point out, that this is a longterm investment, which won't gain investors
any profits before Q1-Q2 2014 at best.
Many here seem to think, that now that they are mining they will rake in the money, but
for that to happen there is much work to be done and much time needed.
As the dividends come in, the share price will increase until the dividend is ~ 30% APR.
I am not sure what you don't understand.
Yep, exactly. Go and find out how much is the dividend of a company like Google, Apple, etc... you can't expect to make the price of the stock back in dividends. The dividend is like a loan, you make a bit every month and in the end of one year, I think if you make back 25% of so of the share price, would be excellent.
And then, you can always sell the share back... so you would have made (share sale price + dividends) in the period you held the shares..
September 22, 2013, 06:04:41 AM
As the dividends come in, the share price will increase until the dividend is ~ 30% APR.
I am not sure what you don't understand.
What is there not to understand?
I'll explain it again for you:
The 20-50TH won't be enough to get IPO back for investors, so it will take at least the 65nm
chips to get there.
Even if divs rise to a point where share price has to correct to keep 30% anual return, that will only
be a short spike at best, since the diff increase will eat up "productivity" of the chips pretty quick.
And the 30% is an arbitrary value based on Asicminer, which is a company with a good record and
trust in the community. I doubt, that it can be applied to Labcoin.
But as i always say, everyone should make his own decision for his investments. But i really advice
you to get more information, since you don't seem to understand the connections.
Feel free to ask if anything is unclear.
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