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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 644. (Read 1079974 times)

newbie
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I just don't see the evidence for a scam.
And I do not see any real evidence that they are not.
See it works both ways.

It doesn't work both ways.  The fact that you think it does is a good indication that investing in this kind of thing isn't for you.
Yeah investing in scams is not a thing for me.
Unless they provide enough evidence that they are not.
You got that right.
legendary
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It doesn't work both ways.  The fact that you think it does is a good indication that investing in this kind of thing isn't for you.



There is no evidence just hype and your support for LC is purely based on faith. And those that do not share your faith should not be investing? What an arrogant prick.
sr. member
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I just don't see the evidence for a scam.
And I do not see any real evidence that they are not.
See it works both ways.

It doesn't work both ways.  The fact that you think it does is a good indication that investing in this kind of thing isn't for you.

newbie
Activity: 52
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I just don't see the evidence for a scam.
And I do not see any real evidence that they are not.
See it works both ways.
full member
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Merit: 100
What sort of hard evidence would satisfy you?
Hashing?
Sure, wait until they're hashing. I'm sure you'll react fast enough to make a profit.
Chip specifications and pictures of working hashing device would be nice with some better chip photos.
I dont give much thought about what they say about hashing. First need to see proof that they developed anything.

That's a reasonable thing to want, but keep in mind their #1 goal is to get hashing first.  So we won't see that kind of evidence before they're hashing.
legendary
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It's only a few more days, just put but orders in and wait it out, we will dip again before we hash
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Chip specifications and pictures of working hashing device would be nice with some better chip photos.
I dont give much thought about what they say about hashing. First need to see proof that they developed anything.

Am I wrong to think you'd like that but also a 0.0035 share price?
newbie
Activity: 52
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What sort of hard evidence would satisfy you?
Hashing?
Sure, wait until they're hashing. I'm sure you'll react fast enough to make a profit.
Chip specifications and pictures of working hashing device would be nice with some better chip photos.
I dont give much thought about what they say about hashing. First need to see proof that they developed anything.
full member
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That means that the share price right now is based on a high probability that LC will be a total failure (either a scam, or bad chips, or whatever)

People are giving this a VERY high probability, as you point out.  

I just don't see the evidence for a scam.  They've behaved exactly the opposite of how scammers behave.  If you believe it's a scam, you're not basing it on what we've seen thus far from them, you're basing it on something else.

Which leaves technical issues as the main risk. But they've indicated they will be on schedule, which means they have encountered no major techinical issues yet.  

They might be lying, of course.  It's possible.  I just don't see any evidence that it's very likely.

People are just overly gunshy.

Fine with me, I guess.  I'll be accepting their money when the share price jumps up.

Well, personally I just think this market is totally irrational, and the price is just based on inertia and lack of liquidity to buy ActM shares which everyone wants now. And I think they are legit and will be hashing soon.

But the point is, further evidence that labcoin is "legit" and neither a scam nor a total failure should, if the market is rational, cause the share price to jump, just like the eASIC letter proved that ActM was at least legit.

But, if it doesn't move the needle it would be because of market irrationality, which you can profit off of if you're patient.  As I've said, I expect initial dividends in just September and October to more then cover the current share price.
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That means that the share price right now is based on a high probability that LC will be a total failure (either a scam, or bad chips, or whatever)

People are giving this a VERY high probability, as you point out.  

I just don't see the evidence for a scam.  They've behaved exactly the opposite of how scammers behave.  If you believe it's a scam, you're not basing it on what we've seen thus far from them, you're basing it on something else.

Which leaves technical issues as the main risk. But they've indicated they will be on schedule, which means they have encountered no major techinical issues yet.  

They might be lying, of course.  It's possible.  I just don't see any evidence that it's very likely.

People are just overly gunshy.

Fine with me, I guess.  I'll be accepting their money when the share price jumps up.



legendary
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So no change? Sorry I didn't catch up on the threads I've only use got out of the office
full member
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So labcoin bad again now? And active is flavour of the day from a press release

No, Labcoin's shares are cheap now. Grin
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So labcoin bad again now? And active is flavour of the day from a press release

The standard ebb and flow...
legendary
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So labcoin bad again now? And active is flavour of the day from a press release
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More than half of the last AM dividend came from hardware sales.  Roughly speaking, AM share price trends toward 25% APR; without the sales price would probably be below 1.0.  LC will not have meaningful hardware sales, and a network hashrate of only 1 PH in November is unrealistic.  

AM's price right now is 40% Yeild right now, not 25.

(Or in other words they have a 2.5 price/annual dividend ratio, compared to a 4 price/div if it was at 25%)

So, the market is cooling off on them, possibly to move money into Labcoin and ActM.

Also, the earlier comment I made was just a simplified example of how to do the calculations, not an actual estimate - an actual estimate would require estimating a fully probability density function for multiple things (network hashrate, Labcoin's hashrate, and the changes in those things over time).  It's doable, but the 'space' is so wide open that any estimate is going to have a huge amount of uncertainty.

And as I said, LC is not going to have the history that AM does, so it's not going to be priced the same.

That said, though even if we look at just September, and October, LC's Just LC's dividends for only those two months should be higher then it's current share price.  

That means that the share price right now is based on a high probability that LC will be a total failure (either a scam, or bad chips, or whatever)
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What sort of hard evidence would satisfy you?

Hashing?

Sure, wait until they're hashing. I'm sure you'll react fast enough to make a profit.

This is exactly right. Risk is usually directly correlated to reward. People want a sure thing with a huge payout. It's not going to happen.

Labcoin seems about as sure a thing as you get in this game for where they're at.
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What you think more is more or less irelevant.
We need some hard evidence. This mumbo jumbo about
probabilities or some empty words is not gonna cut it anymore.




What sort of hard evidence would satisfy you?

Hashing?

Sure, wait until they're hashing. I'm sure you'll react fast enough to make a profit.

newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
I think the probability of that is low. All I said is that you have to look at the possibility. You don't have to assume it's 100% certain.
What you think more is more or less irelevant.
We need some hard evidence. This mumbo jumbo about
probabilities or some empty words is not gonna cut it anymore.

More than half of the last AM dividend came from hardware sales.  Roughly speaking, AM share price trends toward 25% APR; without the sales price would probably be below 1.0.  LC will not have meaningful hardware sales, and a network hashrate of only 1 PH in November is unrealistic. 
Just to add some numbers.
This week Asiminer dividend from mining was only 0,00593 per share with 2,374.66153794 BTC mined.
rest came from hardware sales and mining franchising. (3,234.63 BTC)
sr. member
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"LC will not have meaningful hardware sales" why not?
member
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More than half of the last AM dividend came from hardware sales.  Roughly speaking, AM share price trends toward 25% APR; without the sales price would probably be below 1.0.  LC will not have meaningful hardware sales, and a network hashrate of only 1 PH in November is unrealistic. 
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