⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 87.

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Quote from: babo on October 06, 2023, 01:20:46 AM

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on October 05, 2023, 02:40:12 AM

it's difficult to blame Jose Mourinho, Roma doesn't have a very strong team but he still managed to take them to the conference league final and win it and the following year take them to the Europa League final, unfortunately losing it but without deserving, I don't think a different coach was able to match him, this year despite the signings made Roma are not playing well and I don't think it's Mourinho's fault, it's probably a physical fitness problem. For me Mourinho remains one of the best coaches in business, he has a very respectable list of achievements and is constantly criticized, then perhaps Pioli is praised for having won a championship in his entire career

Jose Mourinho is a famous coach with very good experience and usually provides the right strategy for the clubs he trains, but this season there has been a lot of bad criticism sent towards Mourinho, while no one can blame him because Roma needs quality players who can strengthen the squad's performance and In January, Roma will have another chance to get new players and Mourinho can choose which players to bring in.
But I'm not sure if I can bring in players who have high quality talent because Roma finances are running low and it doesn't seem to be going well.
I just hope that even though they performed a little badly in Serie A, at least Roma and Mourinho can win the european League title to replace Sevilla.

I still don't really agree
not so much about the fact that he is good, has experience, has played in big clubs and has a very large wealth of football knowledge

the point I argue is that you charge too much for what it's worth, that's the point I make strongly

in Italy but above all in Europe there are many coaches who are paid more than Mourinho but who have a much poorer track record than Mourinho's, given this I don't want to justify the price of his cards because in football in general there is too much money going around without a actual value. to give a stupid example, a footballer earns millions without contributing anything concrete to humanity, an engineer earns little money but can bring substantial benefits to humanity and the planet. the concept of what is actually useful and how much value we give to it is wrong, and this will now be normal

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It isn't like Mourinho will be successful at every team he goes to. Actually he had a good chemistry with the team first. They won the Europa Conference League title also and qualified for the finale in the Europa League too. But they just can't give the expected performance when it comes to the Serie A.

They are even worse this season as you know. The target must be to finish a season in top 4 in the league every season. However they still can't make it there. It looks difficult for this season too as long as they don't start some lasting winning streak.

If they can't make it to the Champions League once again I believe that Mourinho's contract won't be extended.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 05, 2023, 01:54:07 PM

Jose Mourinho is a famous coach with very good experience and usually provides the right strategy for the clubs he trains, but this season there has been a lot of bad criticism sent towards Mourinho, while no one can blame him because Roma needs quality players who can strengthen the squad's performance and In January, Roma will have another chance to get new players and Mourinho can choose which players to bring in.
But I'm not sure if I can bring in players who have high quality talent because Roma finances are running low and it doesn't seem to be going well.
I just hope that even though they performed a little badly in Serie A, at least Roma and Mourinho can win the european League title to replace Sevilla.

that is what I say too, but they all seem to hate him without understanding that in reality his is a strategy to keep eyes on himself and protect the team

It is no coincidence that he always gets the criticism, while his players dont receive any

In short, in my opinion he acts as a lightning rod in order to leave everyone calm to play, for me he is a very altruistic person who knows how to sacrifice!

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 05, 2023, 11:41:44 AM

Quote from: hahay on October 04, 2023, 11:16:07 AM

Indeed, Mourinho has a distinctive character but I think character alone is not enough to make a team's performance better. Because, at this moment, what AS Roma needs is improved performance and stable performance, at least to remain good throughout the season, and does not require a unique character that only the coach has. Therefore, I think at this moment it would be better for AS Roma to start looking for a replacement for Mourinho and even though AS Roma had to pay a high price to appoint Antonio Conte as coach I don't think it is a problem either. Because maybe, with Antonio Conte, AS Roma could become better and be able to compete more strongly in the top four, of course.

ok right, I can only say that you are right!
character alone does nothing, but instead of looking at what he didnt do, lets look at what he did: he didnt give up the team for a big salary, he brought Lukaku to Roma, a cup final for two years in a row! and one is win!

I dont think he was that bad as a coach...

no but in fact I don`t think he is a bad coach, let is say someone who has a monstrous ego but not a bad person

if I were the owner of a team I don`t think I would take him, his character would bother me a lot, but it is personal taste, there is no question about his skill (or the teams wouldn`t sign him)

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Quote from: tusandii on October 05, 2023, 01:54:07 PM

Quote from: Lillominato89 on October 05, 2023, 02:40:12 AM

it's difficult to blame Jose Mourinho, Roma doesn't have a very strong team but he still managed to take them to the conference league final and win it and the following year take them to the Europa League final, unfortunately losing it but without deserving, I don't think a different coach was able to match him, this year despite the signings made Roma are not playing well and I don't think it's Mourinho's fault, it's probably a physical fitness problem. For me Mourinho remains one of the best coaches in business, he has a very respectable list of achievements and is constantly criticized, then perhaps Pioli is praised for having won a championship in his entire career

Jose Mourinho is a famous coach with very good experience and usually provides the right strategy for the clubs he trains, but this season there has been a lot of bad criticism sent towards Mourinho, while no one can blame him because Roma needs quality players who can strengthen the squad's performance and In January, Roma will have another chance to get new players and Mourinho can choose which players to bring in.
But I'm not sure if I can bring in players who have high quality talent because Roma finances are running low and it doesn't seem to be going well.
I just hope that even though they performed a little badly in Serie A, at least Roma and Mourinho can win the european League title to replace Sevilla.

I still don't really agree
not so much about the fact that he is good, has experience, has played in big clubs and has a very large wealth of football knowledge

the point I argue is that you charge too much for what it's worth, that's the point I make strongly

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on October 05, 2023, 02:40:12 AM

it's difficult to blame Jose Mourinho, Roma doesn't have a very strong team but he still managed to take them to the conference league final and win it and the following year take them to the Europa League final, unfortunately losing it but without deserving, I don't think a different coach was able to match him, this year despite the signings made Roma are not playing well and I don't think it's Mourinho's fault, it's probably a physical fitness problem. For me Mourinho remains one of the best coaches in business, he has a very respectable list of achievements and is constantly criticized, then perhaps Pioli is praised for having won a championship in his entire career

Jose Mourinho is a famous coach with very good experience and usually provides the right strategy for the clubs he trains, but this season there has been a lot of bad criticism sent towards Mourinho, while no one can blame him because Roma needs quality players who can strengthen the squad's performance and In January, Roma will have another chance to get new players and Mourinho can choose which players to bring in.
But I'm not sure if I can bring in players who have high quality talent because Roma finances are running low and it doesn't seem to be going well.
I just hope that even though they performed a little badly in Serie A, at least Roma and Mourinho can win the european League title to replace Sevilla.

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Quote from: hahay on October 04, 2023, 11:16:07 AM

Indeed, Mourinho has a distinctive character but I think character alone is not enough to make a team's performance better. Because, at this moment, what AS Roma needs is improved performance and stable performance, at least to remain good throughout the season, and does not require a unique character that only the coach has. Therefore, I think at this moment it would be better for AS Roma to start looking for a replacement for Mourinho and even though AS Roma had to pay a high price to appoint Antonio Conte as coach I don't think it is a problem either. Because maybe, with Antonio Conte, AS Roma could become better and be able to compete more strongly in the top four, of course.

ok right, I can only say that you are right!
character alone does nothing, but instead of looking at what he didnt do, lets look at what he did: he didnt give up the team for a big salary, he brought Lukaku to Roma, a cup final for two years in a row! and one is win!

I dont think he was that bad as a coach...

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Quote from: Distraction on October 04, 2023, 02:05:01 PM

Inter must be really happy to have got rid of Andre Onana now. Cheesy

I mean of course his performance was really impressive back at Inter. He was one of the admired goalkeepers last season as he made so many saves. This was why they didn't want to let him go for a cheap price and Manchester United offered 50+ million euros to sign him.

But here we are. This isn't the first time he is making such mistakes though. His past has such examples but Inter were really lucky unlike that.

Maybe Onana was going to play just like now for Inter if he stayed for this season also. But instead of that Inter have Yann Sommer now who is doing a pretty good work.

This reinforces my idea that Inter will certainly win the championship this year.
He is really really strong and is winning all the time. The only one that can give him a little trouble is Milan, but I dont seem very convinced of this (Milan).

It seems like a lost team looking for itself,i mean Milan.

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Quote from: klidex on October 05, 2023, 12:58:53 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 04, 2023, 09:33:06 AM

Quote from: babo on October 04, 2023, 08:07:26 AM

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

come on, what you say seems a bit exaggerated to me, in the end Jose Mourinho is a good coach, he has a particular and difficult character but his strategies are not that wrong!

And then he brought in Lukaku, we must never forget this! Lukaku going to Roma to score much goals

Jose Mourinho doesn't deserve to be blamed for everything because previously he had coached Roma well, but this third season is a little different. Roma is experiencing a lot of difficulties, but it doesn't seem to lie in Mourinho's strategy alone and I think it lies in the lack of players who make the club able to perform optimally.
Lukaku has contributed a lot to Roma since his arrival, of course it is not enough to improve the club's performance and Roma still needs other star players to be able to build their performance and as far as I know, Jose Mourinho has tried his best to advance the Roma club so far, it's just that This season it is a little difficult for Roma to catch up on their defeat in the Italian league.

it's difficult to blame Jose Mourinho, Roma doesn't have a very strong team but he still managed to take them to the conference league final and win it and the following year take them to the Europa League final, unfortunately losing it but without deserving, I don't think a different coach was able to match him, this year despite the signings made Roma are not playing well and I don't think it's Mourinho's fault, it's probably a physical fitness problem. For me Mourinho remains one of the best coaches in business, he has a very respectable list of achievements and is constantly criticized, then perhaps Pioli is praised for having won a championship in his entire career

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 04, 2023, 09:33:06 AM

Quote from: babo on October 04, 2023, 08:07:26 AM

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

come on, what you say seems a bit exaggerated to me, in the end Jose Mourinho is a good coach, he has a particular and difficult character but his strategies are not that wrong!

And then he brought in Lukaku, we must never forget this! Lukaku going to Roma to score much goals

Jose Mourinho doesn't deserve to be blamed for everything because previously he had coached Roma well, but this third season is a little different. Roma is experiencing a lot of difficulties, but it doesn't seem to lie in Mourinho's strategy alone and I think it lies in the lack of players who make the club able to perform optimally.
Lukaku has contributed a lot to Roma since his arrival, of course it is not enough to improve the club's performance and Roma still needs other star players to be able to build their performance and as far as I know, Jose Mourinho has tried his best to advance the Roma club so far, it's just that This season it is a little difficult for Roma to catch up on their defeat in the Italian league.

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Inter must be really happy to have got rid of Andre Onana now. Cheesy

I mean of course his performance was really impressive back at Inter. He was one of the admired goalkeepers last season as he made so many saves. This was why they didn't want to let him go for a cheap price and Manchester United offered 50+ million euros to sign him.

But here we are. This isn't the first time he is making such mistakes though. His past has such examples but Inter were really lucky unlike that.

Maybe Onana was going to play just like now for Inter if he stayed for this season also. But instead of that Inter have Yann Sommer now who is doing a pretty good work.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 04, 2023, 09:33:06 AM

Quote from: babo on October 04, 2023, 08:07:26 AM

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

come on, what you say seems a bit exaggerated to me, in the end Jose Mourinho is a good coach, he has a particular and difficult character but his strategies are not that wrong!

And then he brought in Lukaku, we must never forget this! Lukaku going to Roma to score much goals

Indeed, Mourinho has a distinctive character but I think character alone is not enough to make a team's performance better. Because, at this moment, what AS Roma needs is improved performance and stable performance, at least to remain good throughout the season, and does not require a unique character that only the coach has. Therefore, I think at this moment it would be better for AS Roma to start looking for a replacement for Mourinho and even though AS Roma had to pay a high price to appoint Antonio Conte as coach I don't think it is a problem either. Because maybe, with Antonio Conte, AS Roma could become better and be able to compete more strongly in the top four, of course.

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Quote from: babo on October 04, 2023, 08:07:26 AM

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

come on, what you say seems a bit exaggerated to me, in the end Jose Mourinho is a good coach, he has a particular and difficult character but his strategies are not that wrong!

And then he brought in Lukaku, we must never forget this! Lukaku going to Roma to score much goals

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 04, 2023, 08:37:00 AM

@babo Mourinho and Conte are perfectionists and serial winner’s and if they’re not happy then they won’t sugar coat it they’ll openly say about their unhappiness and that’s what I like about these two that they openly speak their mind and often get the job done. Lastly if Mourinho wants to stay back and help then the club should back him because he’s improved Roma a lot and few bad matches doesn’t mean that he’s not the right coach for them and thus I hope that Roma will allow him some more time to turn things around at the club.

I don't agree, and I'll also explain why I think so
- Mourinho, before him Roma did well (see position in the Serie A table) luckily they won a cup, second year they didn't
- Conte, with Inter the only thing he did was complain about players who were always missing, he always blamed others, now what does he do?

I can give many examples of serious people who don't cry and who work seriously

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Quote from: babo on October 04, 2023, 08:07:26 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 03, 2023, 12:34:54 PM

Quote from: Distraction on September 29, 2023, 02:03:08 PM

I really don't know what Mourinho is planning to find a solution to this look of Roma so far. I would have never waited for Roma to lose to Genoa by a score like 4-1. What happened here? Genoa weren't even one of the in-form teams in the league. If they were then at least there would have been a reason for this.

But here we are. Roma can't even beat way weaker teams and they even lose by an embarrassing score. Unfortunately Lukaku and Dybala couldn't do much in this match.

Even if one of them played better I wouldn't have still waited for Roma to get one point. Their defending was terrible. Sad

It is certain that he refused a big contract as he says, certainly in Saudi Arabia. They are buying everything, see Ronaldo, Mancini and others.
So I am sure thats what he was referring to when he says the problem isnt him. Now he has Lukaku scoring goals, so he can do something.
I think he have a plan.

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

@babo Mourinho and Conte are perfectionists and serial winner’s and if they’re not happy then they won’t sugar coat it they’ll openly say about their unhappiness and that’s what I like about these two that they openly speak their mind and often get the job done. Lastly if Mourinho wants to stay back and help then the club should back him because he’s improved Roma a lot and few bad matches doesn’t mean that he’s not the right coach for them and thus I hope that Roma will allow him some more time to turn things around at the club.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 03, 2023, 12:34:54 PM

Quote from: Distraction on September 29, 2023, 02:03:08 PM

I really don't know what Mourinho is planning to find a solution to this look of Roma so far. I would have never waited for Roma to lose to Genoa by a score like 4-1. What happened here? Genoa weren't even one of the in-form teams in the league. If they were then at least there would have been a reason for this.

But here we are. Roma can't even beat way weaker teams and they even lose by an embarrassing score. Unfortunately Lukaku and Dybala couldn't do much in this match.

Even if one of them played better I wouldn't have still waited for Roma to get one point. Their defending was terrible. Sad

It is certain that he refused a big contract as he says, certainly in Saudi Arabia. They are buying everything, see Ronaldo, Mancini and others.
So I am sure thats what he was referring to when he says the problem isnt him. Now he has Lukaku scoring goals, so he can do something.
I think he have a plan.

I'm one hundred percent sure what you say, he refused a contract like that and I don't even understand why if they paid him well
of course now he's getting angry because they say he's the problem (but whatever) in the end he's still a crybaby coach

like Antonio Conte

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Quote from: Slow death on October 03, 2023, 06:30:57 PM

It seems that this season the competition will be much more intense than last season, this is because looking at the table, 7 games were played of which Inter and Milan managed to win 6 games, with this the two teams have 18 points, but the other teams are not very far from Milan and Inter, meaning that at least until this round the competition is very strong and difficult to predict which team will be champion, adding that even the top teams when they play against a small team, They have difficulty winning the game, which makes the league even more interesting this season, perhaps because it is the beginning of the season that we are seeing this, but looking at the squad of all teams, their starting 11 are the same starting 11 as last season. which made it difficult for them to beat very weak opponents in certain rounds, so I don't see the scenario of us seeing a team with many points ahead of the other teams, at least for now we won't see that. It may change when the transfer window opens. Something interesting is that Roma managed to win after a long time, the fans and the press couldn't stop criticizing it. but with this victory, at least they will be quiet for a while

this year it will be a very balanced Serie A championship and I have been saying it for a few weeks now, Inter and Milan have started very well and if they continue like this for much longer, they will be the main contenders for the title of champion of Italy, Napoli he is slowly fitting into his new coach's schemes and will most likely fight until the end to defend the title won last year, Juventus despite the points in the standings I don't see them as a real contender for the title but the absence from the European cups it could benefit them.

Roma badly, very badly, I think they will aim for fourth place at most, Lazio unrecognizable.

making estimates I believe that the fight will be between Inter, Milan and Napoli for the title, Juventus Roma and Lazio for a place in the Champions League

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It seems that this season the competition will be much more intense than last season, this is because looking at the table, 7 games were played of which Inter and Milan managed to win 6 games, with this the two teams have 18 points, but the other teams are not very far from Milan and Inter, meaning that at least until this round the competition is very strong and difficult to predict which team will be champion, adding that even the top teams when they play against a small team, They have difficulty winning the game, which makes the league even more interesting this season, perhaps because it is the beginning of the season that we are seeing this, but looking at the squad of all teams, their starting 11 are the same starting 11 as last season. which made it difficult for them to beat very weak opponents in certain rounds, so I don't see the scenario of us seeing a team with many points ahead of the other teams, at least for now we won't see that. It may change when the transfer window opens. Something interesting is that Roma managed to win after a long time, the fans and the press couldn't stop criticizing it. but with this victory, at least they will be quiet for a while

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It is still very early for Roma now of course. The point gap with the 4th place is only 6 points which isn't impossible to close in the end. It is all up to starting a consistent run. Maybe the victory obtained against Frosinone would be the starting point. I'm pretty sure that the board expect this team to make it to the Champions League this time.

Let's say they couldn't finish the Serie A in top 4 then they still have a second chance for the Champions League. That is winning the Europa League title. It isn't an easy task to perform maybe but not impossible either. They were one of the finalists last season you know. Mourinho sometimes talks about that finale over and over again too. If they make it there again then I feel like they can finally achieve the title.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 03, 2023, 12:34:54 PM

Quote from: Distraction on September 29, 2023, 02:03:08 PM

I really don't know what Mourinho is planning to find a solution to this look of Roma so far. I would have never waited for Roma to lose to Genoa by a score like 4-1. What happened here? Genoa weren't even one of the in-form teams in the league. If they were then at least there would have been a reason for this.

But here we are. Roma can't even beat way weaker teams and they even lose by an embarrassing score. Unfortunately Lukaku and Dybala couldn't do much in this match.

Even if one of them played better I wouldn't have still waited for Roma to get one point. Their defending was terrible. Sad

It is certain that he refused a big contract as he says, certainly in Saudi Arabia. They are buying everything, see Ronaldo, Mancini and others.
So I am sure thats what he was referring to when he says the problem isnt him. Now he has Lukaku scoring goals, so he can do something.
I think he have a plan.

At least, I have also said last season that AS Roma will still be difficult to have a stable and consistent performance even though AS Roma has Mourinho as coach. Because after all, in the previous two seasons also regarding the performance and results that AS Roma had in Serie A, basically Mourinho only managed to make AS Roma good at the beginning of the season and failed to maintain it. So yes, at least do not be surprised if in this third season Mourinho really failed from the start of the season and of course, it would be very worrying if Mourinho was unable to restore AS Roma to a better form this season.

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