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legendary
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Let the chips fall where they may.
July 28, 2014, 02:20:17 PM
Only if you choose to buy an android phone from AT&T with their firmware pre-installed. AT&T can do no such thing to my Xiaomi Phone, the only thing they could do is deny service to my phone. There's no way for AT&T to "brick" my phone nor "push new firmware" to my phone, since my firmware isn't from AT&T. Unlike the iPhone iOS, there's no "magic backdoor" in the Android OS for AT&T to just remote access any android phone without pre-installing AT&T firmware.

Thank for pointing this out. I tried searching for examples of carriers pushing firmware to phones: and only came up with a Slashdot story about Rogers requiring a specific firmware version for service. This makes me slightly less reluctant to own a cell-phone.
legendary
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Not sure what you are talking about Verizon or AT&T's remote access, do you have an article about that? I use an android phone I bought from China (xiaomi phone, no Google Play), on AT&T's network, it works just fine. I'm not sure how AT&T can "remote access" my phone.

The network operators reserve the right to push new firmware to your phone/device. You did read the fine-print of your contract, right? This lets them brick phones with a specific IMEI if it appears to be mis-behaving.

Quote from: 3.0   TERMS RELATING TO YOUR DEVICE AND CONTENT
Your Device must be compatible with, and not interfere with, our Services and must comply with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations. We may periodically program your Device remotely with system settings for roaming service, to direct your Device to use network services most appropriate for your typical usage, and other features that cannot be changed manually.

You agree that you won’t make any modifications to your Equipment or its programming to enable the Equipment to operate on any other system. AT&T may, at its sole and absolute discretion, modify the programming to enable the operation of the Equipment on other systems.
- AT&T Wireless Customer Agreement

Only if you choose to buy an android phone from AT&T with their firmware pre-installed. AT&T can do no such thing to my Xiaomi Phone, the only thing they could do is deny service to my phone. There's no way for AT&T to "brick" my phone nor "push new firmware" to my phone, since my firmware isn't from AT&T. Unlike the iPhone iOS, there's no "magic backdoor" in the Android OS for AT&T to just remote access any android phone without pre-installing AT&T firmware.

I do believe that NSA/GCHQ has backdoors in phones so they can access microphone, camera, data etc, but this would be lower down than the OS. Actually inside the hardware chips.
legendary
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Not sure what you are talking about Verizon or AT&T's remote access, do you have an article about that? I use an android phone I bought from China (xiaomi phone, no Google Play), on AT&T's network, it works just fine. I'm not sure how AT&T can "remote access" my phone.

The network operators reserve the right to push new firmware to your phone/device. You did read the fine-print of your contract, right? This lets them brick phones with a specific IMEI if it appears to be mis-behaving.

Quote from: 3.0   TERMS RELATING TO YOUR DEVICE AND CONTENT
Your Device must be compatible with, and not interfere with, our Services and must comply with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations. We may periodically program your Device remotely with system settings for roaming service, to direct your Device to use network services most appropriate for your typical usage, and other features that cannot be changed manually.

You agree that you won’t make any modifications to your Equipment or its programming to enable the Equipment to operate on any other system. AT&T may, at its sole and absolute discretion, modify the programming to enable the operation of the Equipment on other systems.
- AT&T Wireless Customer Agreement

Only if you choose to buy an android phone from AT&T with their firmware pre-installed. AT&T can do no such thing to my Xiaomi Phone, the only thing they could do is deny service to my phone. There's no way for AT&T to "brick" my phone nor "push new firmware" to my phone, since my firmware isn't from AT&T. Unlike the iPhone iOS, there's no "magic backdoor" in the Android OS for AT&T to just remote access any android phone without pre-installing AT&T firmware.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
Let the chips fall where they may.

Not sure what you are talking about Verizon or AT&T's remote access, do you have an article about that? I use an android phone I bought from China (xiaomi phone, no Google Play), on AT&T's network, it works just fine. I'm not sure how AT&T can "remote access" my phone.

The network operators reserve the right to push new firmware to your phone/device. You did read the fine-print of your contract, right? This lets them brick phones with a specific IMEI if it appears to be mis-behaving.

Quote from: 3.0   TERMS RELATING TO YOUR DEVICE AND CONTENT
Your Device must be compatible with, and not interfere with, our Services and must comply with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations. We may periodically program your Device remotely with system settings for roaming service, to direct your Device to use network services most appropriate for your typical usage, and other features that cannot be changed manually.

You agree that you won’t make any modifications to your Equipment or its programming to enable the Equipment to operate on any other system. AT&T may, at its sole and absolute discretion, modify the programming to enable the operation of the Equipment on other systems.
- AT&T Wireless Customer Agreement
legendary
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Who cares, if you use Apple products, then you hate freedom period, therefore you do not need to know why Apple banned this or that, because you already submitted to their role as your master. Apple will decide what you are allowed to see, hear and use.

I have no interest in knowing why Apple banned this or that, since I have zero Apple products and will keep it that way

Well, looks like not only Apple will decide what you see, hear and use. Apple will also monitor what you see, hear and use:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/07/22/every-iphone-has-a-security-backdoor/

Did you read the article that you posted, or just scan the headline? :

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The wider problem is Apple is far from alone in acting in such an autocratic manner. On Android, for example, ‘Google Play Services’ also runs silently in the background and officially has an innocent agenda “to update Google GOOGL -0.84% apps and apps from Google Play”.

In reality Play Services has limitless access to virtually every aspect of an Android phone and can even grant itself new permissions as and when needed (grabs above had to be spread over five screens). The user is never prompted and while Play Services can be easily disabled the vast majority of Android services and apps will not run without it making it unfeasible to ditch long term.

What's your point?

1. Google Play Service has not been proven to have a backdoor.

2. The article is actually dead wrong about Google Play being required. You are free to choose to NOT use Google Play if you wanted, there's a ton of 3rd party app markets you can install on your android. For example, in China google play is not installed on 99% of the android devices, everyone use the local Chinese app markets.

3. Android itself is free and opensource, you can even flash your android device to a 3rd party distro like cyanogen mod.

What is my point? From the information in the article you posted, one cannot infer that iOS is backdoored any more than is android.

OK so one does not _require_ Play. Are you indicating that verizon, AT&T, or whomever does not have the ability to remotely activate elements within your phone?

Which part of this sentence you didn't understand? "Apple has issued a formal statement acknowledging the existence of services running on iOS which can bypass encryption to access user data (the classic ‘backdoor‘), but claims they do not compromise user privacy or security."

Apple has admitted they intentionally developed a backdoor in their system. Google play has not been proven to have a backdoor, nor has Google admitted to having it.

Not sure what you are talking about Verizon or AT&T's remote access, do you have an article about that? I use an android phone I bought from China (xiaomi phone, no Google Play), on AT&T's network, it works just fine. I'm not sure how AT&T can "remote access" my phone.
hero member
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Very informative statement, with lots of evidence and backing to support your statement. 
 
I'm sold!   Tongue
legendary
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Greater what?
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5 dolla
legendary
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You must be a top class prostitute. How much ?
legendary
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What are you trying to pull here fanboy?
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hero member
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Swordsoffreedom, I like you and I hate you man/woman.

You have me thinking now......

This could actually be possible, yet, I cannot afford to think about it right now coz I have work to do.

None the less you have me thinking....
And this is probably going to stay in the back of my mind until I basically make a decision if it's possible or not.

Right now, I think it is, but I still need to look at all possible failures that can happen.
Haven't found one yet, so if you do please point it out Smiley

Thanks Smiley

EDIT: CryptOS  - how does that sound to you?  Wink

legendary
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(Although if someone makes a whole Platform OS decentralized somehow I might be interested)

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I kind of like that idea but how would that work?
It would mean that your personal documents will be stored everywhere.....

UNLESS, we as a community build an operating system that loads all necessary (OS) files from online (decentralized) sources and the whole thing is open source.
Much like Bitcoin.....
Still, several things, like network adapter drivers should be loaded before everything else, right?

Hmmm, I like this idea.
But it needs work.

We could however start with the best out there, and that is Linux.
Yet, to make it worldwide accepted, we would have to make it user friendly, like windows.

Not a bad idea, but a very diffucult task.

Well it's still a ways down the road but there are building blocks being built now that are laying that foundation.

Bitcoin and its cryptography does wonders for various applications it's just that we haven't thought them all out yet and the underlying technology that could implement it is still being developed in different forms.

One possible implementation would be, maidsafe with its decentralized storage mechanism, that would keep your personal documents secure and safe so that your private documents are stored everywhere and yet nowhere since its secured by cryptography and no one can see whats in there.

In addition if Ethereum can really do what it claims it has the potential to do then it could probably run as an OS far in the future.
Just build enough apps for it, inside the ecosystem like a browser becoming a full feature package then an OS.

That or someone could build a Bitcoin sidechain once some smart developers figure out a solution to that puzzle, its really hard to say what could happen since its predicting the future of where cryptography can go.

But your right at this point its still a very difficult task to do that said it could become a reality if enough related technologies are created and made to accompany it so one step at a time.

http://maidsafe.net/overview

The SAFE (Secure Access for Everyone) network can be best described as a fully distributed data management service. This network manages static and dynamic data as well as communications. Importantly the data held is either :

    Encrypted by clients
    Cryptographically signed by clients

In either case the network cannot decrypt any of the data on the network. This can be thought of as a decentralized server that performs the tasks of today's httpd, ssh, scp, ftp, smtp, pop3, imap etc. servers.

The SAFE network is made up of unused hard drive space, CPU and communications capabilities of commodity computers. These computers are likely owned by the very users of the system, but need not be limited to that. Each computer will effectively mine for credits which can be traded for many other goods and services. These credits are called safecoin.

https://www.ethereum.org/

Ethereum is a protocol that is open to all. Any programmer should be able to write smart contracts and Ethereum apps in languages they already are familiar with.

Programmers should also be able to implement the entire specification with relative ease, in order to minimize the influence that any specific individual or group could have on the protocol.

The Ethereum protocol should be as simple as possible, and optimizations which add complexity should not be included unless they provide a very substantial benefit.
hero member
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Quote
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(Although if someone makes a whole Platform OS decentralized somehow I might be interested)

-snip-


I kind of like that idea but how would that work?
It would mean that your personal documents will be stored everywhere.....

UNLESS, we as a community build an operating system that loads all necessary (OS) files from online (decentralized) sources and the whole thing is open source.
Much like Bitcoin.....
Still, several things, like network adapter drivers should be loaded before everything else, right?

Hmmm, I like this idea.
But it needs work.

We could however start with the best out there, and that is Linux.
Yet, to make it worldwide accepted, we would have to make it user friendly, like windows.

Not a bad idea, but a very diffucult task.
legendary
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I you use Apple products, you are a whore.

Even a real prostitute deserve infinitely more respect than a Apple fan.
legendary
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Y so many bitcoiners don't like Apple THAT much?!
Why? Why??
There is nothing to like about Apple.
Anyone who likes Apple is either ignorant or delusional.
newbie
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Apple sucks, people hate apple. And you must be apple employee?
legendary
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Your numbers seem to indicate that while apple is dominant brand in the US, over 58% don't use apple phones, thus most people in the US do not use apple. Its good to see they are losing marketshare in the US too.

Those are not my numbers. You can click on the images for the source.
newbie
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Y so many bitcoiners don't like Apple THAT much?!
legendary
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Apple is quickly becoming the new Microsoft, a company that everyone loves to hate.

I think it reached that point a while ago the apple hate is strong.
But it's still far from a Microsoft  Wink
Although when the mobile phone market is pretty much two companies and a few minors its hard to not hate on something.

Common guys, you cannot honestly compare Apple with Microsoft.

I know you hate Microsoft but let's be honest, they are number one for a reason.
Their software is easy to use and you are not restricted on what to add to them.


Subtract all the good will from the donations they send

Insert a thing called Windows 8  Grin

I commend their charity work but sometimes you just mess up  with the operating system.
And there's no real time slip you can use once an OAS you like goes out of commission and service it yourself.
A user is subjected to constant relearning curves, to find where the things are at.

Pretty much what happened when Windows 8 broke from the tradition of every other windows platform to that date and made a lot of rage.

And whose bright IDEA WAS IT TO KILL MY START MENU!~!!
^_^
(Mumble) Still uses 7 could download the 8 toolbar app but na will wait for a Win 9 to purify itself.

Its all about UI (User Interface) and while I agree MS deserves its role not really much out there but apple and linux doesn't mean we can't hate on it XD.

(Although if someone makes a whole Platform OS decentralized somehow I might be interested)
Install an App loads from there and becomes a fully customizable interface that switches between Operating Systems and has its own internal stuff.

Not the App store though but like using a Windows PC - All Versions and then deciding what features you like then taking the stuff you like from the Linux PC or Apple PC and putting it all in one browser together.
One can dream Smiley
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