Topic: Let's get the facts straight about Apple. - page 5. (Read 6629 times)

It's a business decision that makes complete sense. If people were paying for in-app purchases etc. with Bitcoin, then Apple wouldn't be making a cut of the $.

I have had a few iphones, and many ipods, and an Apple computer.  I like their products, but this is very upsetting to me.  There are soooo many apps for dealing with Bitcion on Android and that seems to be just fine.  Make excuses all you want, but the fact is, Apple isn't allowing people to send bitcoins in its ecosystem.  Final.  This is bullshit, and I will not buy another Apple product until this changes. 

Apple has an app store for each and every country that sells iphones and no app store for countries without iphones.  Each app store follows the rules of that country.  Look at South Korea for instance.  They made some stupid laws in South Korea about certain games on certain phones.  Apple pulled all the game apps affected by this law in the South Korean app store, but left them in all other countries that apply.  Also, again South Korean laws are very strict about monitoring locations and taking pictures of maps.  South Korea is the only country you can't "find my iphone" or use street view like apps because of the laws.  Your argument has no validity. That simply isn't how it works.  Bitcoins are legal in every state in the US and even taxable, so therefore the US app store should legally be find hosting Bitcoin apps.  If it is banned in India, and somebody in India uses a bitcoin on Coinbase, is India going to imprison Coinbase? The only thing India has jurisdiction over is the Indian App store.   

  Maybe this is true and if it is true, then it was Apple's right 100% to pull the app, and should.  Apple should require full honesty and transparency from its app developers.  Do you have a press release saying this was their reason?

 
No, they aren't.  Coming from a guy who loves all my Apple products, they aren't being fair about it at all. 

Don't you mean "Sheeple"?

I like to think for myself and not get hypnotized by the herd mentality.

Closed source, closed ecosystem, unnecessary censorship of apps, forced upon products and accessories.  NO THANKS!

Apple is for weak minds.

This problem is entirely Apple's making though.  If Apple sold universal computing devices rather than closed platforms then it wouldn't need to worry about any of this, because it could plausibly argue that it is the users who are liable and not Apple.

For example, Microsoft and Intel don't need to worry about getting sued if someone uses a Microsoft/Intel laptop to do something illegal.

The demise of the the universal computing device is a threat to innovation, democracy, and diversity that goes far beyond Bitcoin, and Apple is a major contributor to this trend. This is why people should avoid Apple, not because it blocks some specific app.

I never had the Blockchain app so I don't know, but did you have to log in every time you logged in?

Also it would be cool if they implemented TouchID to keep your Bitcoins safe.

Apple company policies affect our decisions way too much. It is even a bit sad that android is more liberal here.

Was a long time iPhone user but just purchased an android phone today. Because whatever Apple's reasons for removing Bitcoin wallet apps, they are legal in many jurisdictions - so I feel strongly that I should be allowed to install them without "jailbreaking" my phone. And for a long time I've also disliked Apple's removal of educational programming apps, emulators, etc which they don't allow on their appstore either. I don't think they are doing it to protect their asses from govt but just purely in selfish interest. The Bitcoin issue was the last straw that made me decide to leave Apple's ecosystem. Although I don't like Google's approach to world domination either, there sadly doesn't seem to be much choice these days. I'm looking forward to the Ubuntu phone or just more "opensourceness" of phones in general.

Perhaps Apple could solve this by allowing other competing appstores, but we all know the chances of them ever doing that are next to none.

I don't mind facts. Sure, Apple has a reason for removing Bitcoin apps and it can be explained. So what?

The fact is that it's best to stay away from Apple, no matter how their behaviour is explained, it's still a fact.

i like apple. it's all so convenient and fast. of course, if i was poor and couldn't afford all this convenient, good looking tech-shizzle i would have a different opinion which i would express in an internet forum using long sentences and bold formatting. that's what poor people do.

Are you going to be buying another iPhone in the future or changing brands?

Fuck Apple and their overpriced products

Apple? APPLE? They don't allow me to pick a 2$ cable to charge my iPhone, instead I have to buy one for 30$.
I hope these slavemongers appoint Karlepes for CEO

Apple will turn it's head and either adopt or create.
They're simply..Not ready yet, and have a thousand other things in line before this.

I would love to be able to purchase apps with Bitcoin, and would accept them in seconds, but this would also call for all developers to accept BTC or Apple would be in the dilema of exchanging the bitcoin to fiat to pay developers etc etc.

As someone who has been bashing Apple on these forums for over two years, and on other forums before Bitcoin even existed, I consider that this post deserves a proper reply rather than just an f bomb directed at the OP and Apple.

The first issue to realize is that Apple's business model for IOS is based upon censorship and oppression. This is because in order to collect rents form the works of others Apple must tightly control how an IOS device is used. What is so fundamentally wrong here is that Apple uses DRM to prevent an app from a store other than their own from being installed on IOS devices. This is fundamentally no different from a furniture manufacturer dictating to someone who purchases a bookcase that all books to be placed on said bookcase must come from a book store the manufacturer owns.

The net effect of the above is to turn the normal polices that a store would use to determine where or not to stock an item into a tool for censorship and oppression. The polices of the store become irrelevant. Apple is always in the wrong regardless of what the polices of their store say.

To understand this issue better let use look at the issue of legality. One the surface saying that a store only sells items that are legal in all the jurisdictions they do business is a perfectly reasonable policy; however when it is combined with the DRM above it serves to greatly magnify any censorship or oppression a government may apply by extending that same censorship or oppression across the world. So for example if the government of China decides to suppress and censor the teachings of the Dalai Lama Apple will then by their policy extend that suppression and censorship to countries like The United Sates, Canada, Western Europe etc. One the flip side an app say depicting deaths by US drones, and this displeases the US government, Apple will now extend the censorship to say China, or the Middle East etc.

Now when it comes to Bitcoin, I see the censorship of Bitcoin by Apple in many ways as a blessing in disguise. Apple will not be able to stop Bitcoin, but what will most likely happen is that as a result of Apple's censorship of Bitcoin, Bitcoin will bring down Apple's IOS business model resulting in a major contribution by Bitcoin to freedom and liberty around the world.

Earlier I argued that Apple doesn't allow Bitcoin sending because they are preparing their own payment system and it would be a competition to them.

But now I think the reason is security. If people had fat bitcoin wallets on their iPhones it would paint a giant red target on Apple's back. They don't want to be on the front page of newspapers with people complaining they lost $10K worth of bitcoins due to an iOS vulnerability.

Apple is evil?

At best they do not allow their users enough privacy.

What facts all you did was give a one sided opinion that I pretty clearly proved incorrect
Farewell

Bye shill

Well, I was right

This "community" is one-sided when it comes to cold, hard, facts. Farewell, one-sided Bitcoin community, it's been nice knowing ya.



When you get sued for something, I'll just root for the suer How's that for a "Fuck You Back"?