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Quote from: ErisDiscordia on September 30, 2015, 03:48:07 AM

I like e5 because if he doesn't play Nd4 he will have to retreat his knight at f6 to some position where it doesn't do much or else we take it. Also contrary to Ne2 it still leaves the door open for the Nxb5 plan dre1982 suggested.

Your e5 move just made me think of something! I now have a guess why he played h6. Maybe black would like to play e5 but after our Qb3 move he was worried about Ng5 attacking our f7 pawn with both his queen and knight! His h6 move obviously stops us from playing Ng5.

If I am right about his reason for h6 (planning e5) then your e5 recommendation would stop that plan. I am not saying that e5 is the best move because both Nd5 centralizing the knight and Nd7 attacking the e5 pawn seem like good options for black. We also need to think about who is helped more by the h1-a8 diagonal being opened up.

However we should compare the of us playing e5 to what happens if he plays e5 locking our d3 and e4 pawns in place and taking total control of the d4 square.

I am sticking with my Ne1 vote for now but I admit e5 is at least interesting.

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Quote from: languagehasmeaning on September 30, 2015, 03:46:33 AM

How about the Ne1 recommendation you made last move?

This actually looks better to me than any of my ideas so my vote goes to Ne1 for now.

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Quote from: languagehasmeaning on September 30, 2015, 03:46:33 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on September 30, 2015, 03:31:35 AM

I am looking at Nxb5 for trading the Knight for 2 pawns and after that we can build up pressure at the c5 pawn to even win this one.

After
19.Nxb5 axb5
20.Qxb5 Ba6

We have to move our queen and then he can take on d3 next move. So we would end up trading a knight and pawn for just two pawns. After we lose d3 our e4 pawn would become weaker also.

How about the Ne1 recommendation you made last move? I think I like that idea of yours better. It would add another defended to d3 and allow our f2 pawn to advance to f4.

Tonight I gonna look further to this. Nxb5 was just the first move which comes to mine mind.

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Nxb5 looks interesting.

I feel like black has a strong move with Nd4 here - attacking our queen and either forcing us to retreat her while advancing his position or entering a sequence of exchanges which would end badly for us. We might want to defend against that, two options I see would be e5 or Ne2.

I like e5 because if he doesn't play Nd4 he will have to retreat his knight at f6 to some position where it doesn't do much or else we take it. Also contrary to Ne2 it still leaves the door open for the Nxb5 plan dre1982 suggested.

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 30, 2015, 03:31:35 AM

I am looking at Nxb5 for trading the Knight for 2 pawns and after that we can build up pressure at the c5 pawn to even win this one.

After
19.Nxb5 axb5
20.Qxb5 Ba6

We have to move our queen and then he can take on d3 next move. So we would end up trading a knight and pawn for just two pawns. After we lose d3 our e4 pawn would become weaker also.

How about the Ne1 recommendation you made last move? I think I like that idea of yours better. It would add another defended to d3 and allow our f2 pawn to advance to f4.

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I am looking at Nxb5 for trading the Knight for 2 pawns and after that we can build up pressure at the c5 pawn to even win this one.

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One problem we have right now is that our rook on a1 is stuck defending a5. If we could move twice in a row Qa2 and Rac1 might make sense. However after we play Qa2 he can play Nb4 attacking our d3 pawn and after Qb1 to defend it our rook is still caught in the corner!

I am trying to figure out why he played h6. Ng5 and Bg5 for us did not seem like anything special to me.

I have no move suggestions yet but give me some more time to think.

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Quote from: abacus on September 29, 2015, 11:24:54 PM

Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

That vote only thread sounds smart. Will OP start that or will you? Why do you think it should be moderated? So that only votes are posted and not anything else?

Exactly, only votes in a clear and agreed one row post (we should discuss how vote changes or 2nd choice must be declared).
It's important to decide if it should be moderated or not, because this option is only available when you start a new topic and you can't modify it after.

About the thread starter, I think that OP would be the natural choice here, but if I remember well he asked for someone else to count the votes. I also see Taras or Foxpup well suited for this task. If I am trusted enough, I am available too.

Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

Another option would be for every voter to quote the previous voter and update a running tally of voting totals. Compliance may become difficult to enforce but in theory this should be easy.

That should improve the current situation, but as you wrote, I've some doubts about its compliance.

Update including the last vote:

Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

I vote Qb3 too.

~~18. Nd2 dre1982~~
18. Qb3 - 9 VOTES - [Foxpup, jjacob, languagehasmeaning, Timelord2067, boolberry, XMRpromotions, ErisDiscordia, abacus, newb4now]
18. Rd2 - 2 VOTES - [gotmilk_ (you meant Rd2, right?), Hueristic]
18. Ne1 - 2 VOTES - [ObscureBean (I'm assuming you voted for it), dre1982]
~~18. e5 Hueristic~~

I can understand why counting votes is a chore with the current format. Your idea for another voting only thread (ran by someone else) is a good one. Once it is created I can link to it in the OP here. The community can decide who the moderator (if needed) should be, so long as it is not me.

If this happens we can talk more about chess in this thread without worrying about confusing the vote counters. I can post more puzzles and am willing to help analyze our current game once it is over.

Your move bitcointalk. You have the white pieces

The current position is updated below:

1. Nf3 d5
2. c4 e6
3. g3 Nf6
4. Bg2 dxc4
5. Qa4+ Nbd7
6. Qxc4 c5
7. 0-0 a6
8. d3 b5
9. Qc2 Bb7
10.Nc3 Be7
11.Bf4 0-0
12.Rfd1 Qb6
13.a4 Rfd8
14.a5 Qa7
15.e4 Rac8
16.h3 Nb8
17.Be3 Nc6
18.Qb3 h6

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Quote from: abacus on September 29, 2015, 09:56:48 PM

Was 14.a5 really that bad? (just asking)

It perhaps wasn't that bad, but it definitely created a weakness that Black's wasted no time taking advantage of.

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Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

That vote only thread sounds smart. Will OP start that or will you? Why do you think it should be moderated? So that only votes are posted and not anything else?

Exactly, only votes in a clear and agreed one row post (we should discuss how vote changes or 2nd choice must be declared).
It's important to decide if it should be moderated or not, because this option is only available when you start a new topic and you can't modify it after.

About the thread starter, I think that OP would be the natural choice here, but if I remember well he asked for someone else to count the votes. I also see Taras or Foxpup well suited for this task. If I am trusted enough, I am available too.

Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

Another option would be for every voter to quote the previous voter and update a running tally of voting totals. Compliance may become difficult to enforce but in theory this should be easy.

That should improve the current situation, but as you wrote, I've some doubts about its compliance.

Update including the last vote:

Quote from: newb4now on September 29, 2015, 10:31:59 PM

I vote Qb3 too.

~~18. Nd2 dre1982~~
18. Qb3 - 9 VOTES - [Foxpup, jjacob, languagehasmeaning, Timelord2067, boolberry, XMRpromotions, ErisDiscordia, abacus, newb4now]
18. Rd2 - 2 VOTES - [gotmilk_ (you meant Rd2, right?), Hueristic]
18. Ne1 - 2 VOTES - [ObscureBean (I'm assuming you voted for it), dre1982]
~~18. e5 Hueristic~~

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Quote from: abacus on September 29, 2015, 10:18:07 PM

I think that, with the increase of number of partecipants and relative discussions, counting the votes is becoming more difficult and time consuming.

I propose, as a quick-and-dirty solution, to split this thread with a twin one to separate the future gathering process of votes from all the rest. This should greatly improve the readability.

I haven't still created this new parallel thread because I would like to know your thoughts about the idea itself, what must be posted where and if the new thread should be moderated. It should work, don't you think?

I vote Qb3 too. Its more fun to post now that I just became a hero member!

That vote only thread sounds smart. Will OP start that or will you? Why do you think it should be moderated? So that only votes are posted and not anything else?

Another option would be for every voter to quote the previous voter and update a running tally of voting totals. Compliance may become difficult to enforce but in theory this should be easy.

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I think that, with the increase of number of partecipants and relative discussions, counting the votes is becoming more difficult and time consuming.

I propose, as a quick-and-dirty solution, to split this thread with a twin one to separate the future gathering process of votes from all the rest. This should greatly improve the readability.

I haven't still created this new parallel thread because I would like to know your thoughts about the idea itself, what must be posted where and if the new thread should be moderated. It should work, don't you think?

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I vote for 18. Qb3.
It seems the best move among our few options and Foxpup has posted a good exit strategy.

Quote from: boolberry on September 29, 2015, 07:41:16 PM

Is this correct?

Yes, I've counted the same votes.
Here is the update with my one and Heuristic's change.

~~18. Nd2 dre1982~~
18. Qb3 - 8 VOTES - [Foxpup, jjacob, languagehasmeaning, Timelord2067, boolberry, XMRpromotions, ErisDiscordia, abacus]
18. Rd2 - 2 VOTES - [gotmilk_ (you meant Rd2, right?), Hueristic]
18. Ne1 - 2 VOTES - [ObscureBean (I'm assuming you voted for it), dre1982]
~~18. e5 Hueristic~~

Quote from: Foxpup on September 28, 2015, 07:04:26 AM

We don't have many good options. 18. Qb3 is as good as any, I guess. Our stupidly advanced a-pawn is proving to be a crippling weakness (which is why I was against advancing it in the first place) and we'll probably have to let it go at some point. I just don't see how we can maintain it in the long run.

Was 14.a5 really that bad? (just asking)
I mean, the other options we had didn't like me too much:
1) if we don't move a-pawn -> we lost the pawn captured by bxc4 giving it for free
2) if we axb5 -> the black moves axb5 again, opening the a file and I was a bit scared of it.

With a5, which is still surviving for now, we forced the Queen move and, considering the quiz OP posted, it seems also the Knight in Nb8.

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I like Rd2 second so I will change to that.
I like Ne1 least.
Maybe I just can't see far enough for that move.

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I count the following:

7 votes for Qb3 (foxpup jjacob languagehasmeaning timelord2067 boolberry xmrpromotions erisdiscordia)

2 votes for Ne1 (obscurebean dre1982)

1 vote for e5 (hueristic)

1 vote for Rd2 (gotmilk)

I see several comments from actmyname but no actual vote.

Is this correct?

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My vote goes to Qb3.

There don't seem to be any good obvious moves and this at least puts our queen on a good diagonal.

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Dont know but I wont do that if i was you. The chanche of cheating there would be 110%.

Quote from: ObscureBean on September 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM

Somehow I like Ne1 in this position. I think it's about time white gets a bit more aggressive

I would also go for that move. We have to take that knight to the game. Thats why I first wanted to play Nd2 but that one doesnt work out.

After for example 18. .. Nb4 we could play 19. Qe2. Or
After for example 18. .. Nd4 we could play 19. Qb1. Looks bad but the Queen is now also at a bad field. After this we have an opportunity to play e5 and trade some pieces.

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Quote from: boolberry on September 28, 2015, 09:57:20 PM

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I don't see how 18.e5 would lose an exchange. ...

ok, I must have misread your post.

I'm an aggressive player so I'd e5. But then that could over extend but I like the bishops pinning his units and would like to put him on the defensive.

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I vote for Qb3

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Quote from: Hueristic on September 28, 2015, 08:36:11 PM

Quote from: boolberry on September 28, 2015, 07:31:53 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on September 28, 2015, 11:47:34 AM

Anything wrong with e5? I see alot of possibilities from there as well as forcing a retreat. Or a swap where we would end up bishop for pawn trade I think. So I think there would be no choice but for him to retreat.

I don't see anything immediately wrong with e5 but it could eventually become a weakness like our pawn on a5.

I am not sure if black would retreat with Nd7 (attacking our e5 pawn right away) or play Nd5. If he plays Nd7 we may have to move our bishop back to f4 to protect e5.

Explain how he can win an exchange, I have him losing a bishop for a pawn up after we exchange knights. I don't see a better exchange for him.

I don't see how 18.e5 would lose an exchange. Are you referring to the post I made just above this asking about 18.Ne1?

In that case I gave 2 lines:

18. Ne1 Nd4
19. Qd2 Nb3 (forking queen and a1 rook winning an exchange)

18. Ne1 Nd4
19. Qc1 Nb3 (forking queen and a1 rook winning an exchange)

18. Ne1 Nd4
19. Qb1 would keep material even but leave our queen on a very passive square.

I also gave
18. Ne1 Nd4
19. Bxd4 cxd4 as a bad choice because our knight is pinned by his rook to our queen on c2 and we will lose it on the next move

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