So far we have four votes for a4 (Timelord2067, actmyname, languagehasmeaning, and Taras) and two votes for Rfd1 (abacus and myself). There is also one vote for Rac4 (jjacob), but that is not a legal move. We will wait until everyone's done debating a4 vs. Rfd1 and for jjacob to correct his vote before deciding.
It also looks like our esteemed opponent does not wish to confirm or deny that he is Bruzón Batista. I figured I was right.
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Thanks - I don't think it's wise to remove the King's protection by moving that Rook.
My suggesting a4 was to enable the other Rook a chance to break out.
My suggesting a4 was to enable the other Rook a chance to break out.
If we move Rad1, we will weaken the a file, making the pawn road (a4) more difficult to defend.
About the King protection, both our Rooks are still on the first row and probably they'll remain there until there're so many pieces on the chessboard.
With Rfd1 I think we can consider the King still well defended in our crowded castle.
Let's take control of d file with Rfd1. Can't wait to open the battle with d4.
Sorry if my question is a little dense, I 'm not up with all the terminology, are you wanting to move the Rook on f1 to d1 or the Rook on a1 to d1?
The Rook on f1 to d1.
If I've well understood algebraic notation, this is what the f in Rfd1 states. With only one Rook left, a simple Rd1 would have been enough.
Thanks - I don't think it's wise to remove the King's protection by moving that Rook.
My suggesting a4 was to enable the other Rook a chance to break out.
Let's take control of d file with Rfd1. Can't wait to open the battle with d4.
Sorry if my question is a little dense, I 'm not up with all the terminology, are you wanting to move the Rook on f1 to d1 or the Rook on a1 to d1?
The Rook on f1 to d1.
If I've well understood algebraic notation, this is what the f in Rfd1 states. With only one Rook left, a simple Rd1 would have been enough.
Let's take control of d file with Rfd1. Can't wait to open the battle with d4.
Sorry if my question is a little dense, I 'm not up with all the terminology, are you wanting to move the Rook on f1 to d1 or the Rook on a1 to d1?
Let's take control of d file with Rfd1. Can't wait to open the battle with d4.
12. Rfd1 is best. 12. a4 is premature, I think.
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
I think it's obvious to both sides that the battle will take place on the queenside, with the half-open c- and d-files and Black's queenside pawns being key. A well-timed breakthrough here will be decisive, and neither side will be terribly surprised when it happens.I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
Correct. We shouldn't put the question to b-pawn just yet. We should get our rooks in position first.I would go with a4. After Qb6 I would recommend b3.
Why? There's no progress to be made with b3.Rac4.
I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
Don't you mean Rac1? Also, the c-file is only half-open (there's a black pawn on c5), and we can't open it by force. We should get behind the d-file with Rfd1.I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
I would like to change my vote from a4 to Rfd1. It sounds like you agree with me that a4 does not accomplish much if black just responds with Qb6
12. Rfd1 is best. 12. a4 is premature, I think.
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
I think it's obvious to both sides that the battle will take place on the queenside, with the half-open c- and d-files and Black's queenside pawns being key. A well-timed breakthrough here will be decisive, and neither side will be terribly surprised when it happens.I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
Correct. We shouldn't put the question to b-pawn just yet. We should get our rooks in position first.I would go with a4. After Qb6 I would recommend b3.
Why? There's no progress to be made with b3.Rac4.
I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
Don't you mean Rac1? Also, the c-file is only half-open (there's a black pawn on c5), and we can't open it by force. We should get behind the d-file with Rfd1. I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
I vote a4
Rac4.
I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
I would like to utilize the open c file immediately, rather than try opening the a file and then controlling it.
I will still vote for 12. a4 but I am curious about the reason for planning b3 after Qb6. I could understand if our bishop was still on c1 and wanted to go to b2. Now that our bishop is on f4 what is the purpose of b3?
Is your plan to move Nd1 if black plays b4 and then move the knight to b2 and c4? If so what is wrong with the same idea but moving the knight to b1, d2 and then c4 instead without needing to spend time with b3?
Even if black eventually captures on a4 I think we would prefer to take back with a piece instead of our b3 pawn anyway so that we can use the a file.
Is your plan to move Nd1 if black plays b4 and then move the knight to b2 and c4? If so what is wrong with the same idea but moving the knight to b1, d2 and then c4 instead without needing to spend time with b3?
Even if black eventually captures on a4 I think we would prefer to take back with a piece instead of our b3 pawn anyway so that we can use the a file.
We want our knight to be able to freely move as well as have options of Rac1. If we want to play Rac1 immediately after Qb6, there are Rac8 ideas looming, utilising the pin on the knight.
If black immediately captures on a4, there are possibilities of a "bind" on c4, to prevent the pawn push, limiting black's space. He'll be forced to play a5 then a4 to get queenside counterplay.
Question:
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
I would go with a4. After Qb6 I would recommend b3.
I will still vote for 12. a4 but I am curious about the reason for planning b3 after Qb6. I could understand if our bishop was still on c1 and wanted to go to b2. Now that our bishop is on f4 what is the purpose of b3?
Is your plan to move Nd1 if black plays b4 and then move the knight to b2 and c4? If so what is wrong with the same idea but moving the knight to b1, d2 and then c4 instead without needing to spend time with b3?
Even if black eventually captures on a4 I think we would prefer to take back with a piece instead of our b3 pawn anyway so that we can use the a file.
Question:
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
I would go with a4. After Qb6 I would recommend b3.
Question:
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
Should we be discussing our future plans or just our next move?
I think having a plan is important but if we discuss it openly, it will be impossible to surprise our opponent. Essentially he will always know what we are planning while we can only guess what he is planning.
On the other hand if we only talk about our next move and noting else we may not end up with the best plan and our moves may end up being more reactive than proactive.
For the 12th move I still trying to decide between
12. a4 (attacking b5)
12. Rac1 (taking more control of the file)
12. Rfd1 (preparing d4)
At first I liked 12. a4 the best to induce weaknesses if black plays 12..... b4. However as foxpup pointed out when we were discussing 10. Nc3 this is unlikely to happen. Instead black may just defend by developing his queen to b6 in which case I am not sure what we have accomplished.
I'm trying a new scheme for this round...
By plotting it this way, all the old indices are still readable... except the integrity index, which honestly is probably going to be 90%+ for the rest of the game.
Move 11 was our most confident & synchronized decision ever, so that's cool
By plotting it this way, all the old indices are still readable... except the integrity index, which honestly is probably going to be 90%+ for the rest of the game.
Move 11 was our most confident & synchronized decision ever, so that's cool
a2 to a4 please.
11. Bf4 is unanimous.
Beginners often make moves such as that in the hope that their equally inexperienced opponents will not see the attack (which works often enough that they don't understand what they're doing wrong), but any half-decent player would never even consider such a move. Experienced players always assume the opponent will defend correctly, and will not attack unless it gives them an advantage even if defended (or there is no defence possible). For example, Black did not play 8... b5 because he expected to take our queen (although he obviously would have if we didn't move it!), instead he did it to get his bishop out while we were busy rescuing the queen.
Sorry Foxpup, but I'm not sure if I've well understood your meaning... Did I refuted Nh5? 
Refute, as in to prove incorrect or unsound. Nh5 is unsound because we can just move the bishop away, leaving the knight poorly placed. Not only was Black's move useless, it has significantly weakened his position. Or did you just figure "Black attacks the bishop, White saves the bishop, so we're equal" without considering the other effects on the position?Beginners often make moves such as that in the hope that their equally inexperienced opponents will not see the attack (which works often enough that they don't understand what they're doing wrong), but any half-decent player would never even consider such a move. Experienced players always assume the opponent will defend correctly, and will not attack unless it gives them an advantage even if defended (or there is no defence possible). For example, Black did not play 8... b5 because he expected to take our queen (although he obviously would have if we didn't move it!), instead he did it to get his bishop out while we were busy rescuing the queen.
1. Nf3 d5
2. c4 e6
3. g3 Nf6
4. Bg2 dxc4
5. Qa4+ Nbd7
6. Qxc4 c5
7. 0-0 a6
8. d3 b5
9. Qc2 Bb7
10.Nc3 Be7
11.Bf4 0-0
Or did you just figure "Black attacks the bishop, White saves the bishop, so we're equal" without considering the other effects on the position?
I hope you will not be deluded by me but... Yes, to be honest, that was what I intended.
I'm afraid I've used the wrong verb (to contrast with) when what I really wanted to ask was: Are we sure Bf4 is a good move? Black could easily attack with Nh5 and force us to move back.
Now I know Nh5 isn't going to happen and why.
Beginners often make moves such as that in the hope that their equally inexperienced opponents will not see the attack (which works often enough that they don't understand what they're doing wrong), but any half-decent player would never even consider such a move. Experienced players always assume the opponent will defend correctly, and will not attack unless it gives them an advantage even if defended (or there is no defence possible). For example, Black did not play 8... b5 because he expected to take our queen (although he obviously would have if we didn't move it!), instead he did it to get his bishop out while we were busy rescuing the queen.
Yep, this should already be in my background (at least I hope), but sometimes it is hard for me to recognize a bad move, like Nh5 in this case.
When I played with friends years ago, we always let each other to move again to avoid oversights and trivial errors. We often called the check to the queen, too.
Now I'm going with a lot of CTRL-Z!
11. Bf4 is unanimous.
Beginners often make moves such as that in the hope that their equally inexperienced opponents will not see the attack (which works often enough that they don't understand what they're doing wrong), but any half-decent player would never even consider such a move. Experienced players always assume the opponent will defend correctly, and will not attack unless it gives them an advantage even if defended (or there is no defence possible). For example, Black did not play 8... b5 because he expected to take our queen (although he obviously would have if we didn't move it!), instead he did it to get his bishop out while we were busy rescuing the queen.
Sorry Foxpup, but I'm not sure if I've well understood your meaning... Did I refuted Nh5?
Refute, as in to prove incorrect or unsound. Nh5 is unsound because we can just move the bishop away, leaving the knight poorly placed. Not only was Black's move useless, it has significantly weakened his position. Or did you just figure "Black attacks the bishop, White saves the bishop, so we're equal" without considering the other effects on the position?Beginners often make moves such as that in the hope that their equally inexperienced opponents will not see the attack (which works often enough that they don't understand what they're doing wrong), but any half-decent player would never even consider such a move. Experienced players always assume the opponent will defend correctly, and will not attack unless it gives them an advantage even if defended (or there is no defence possible). For example, Black did not play 8... b5 because he expected to take our queen (although he obviously would have if we didn't move it!), instead he did it to get his bishop out while we were busy rescuing the queen.
If so, I don't see many options other than move our bishop back.
Right, to e3. That's not the best square for the bishop, but h5 is a far worse square for the knight, so I don't see many options for Black other than to move his knight back, wasting a tempo. The black knight is quite useless on h5, as knights on the edge of the board generally are.Then Bf4 for me too, please.
I had the sensation there were some advantages to us with Bf4, but I am still not used to these lesser details (well, not so small details if you're playing against a GM).
Thanks for your explainations, always interesting.
Isn't Bf4 easily contrasted with Nh5?
How can you say that when you already refuted Nh5 correctly?Sorry Foxpup, but I'm not sure if I've well understood your meaning... Did I refuted Nh5?
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