Hobbyist or not, which one has made more money? OK, I don't know. They've both probably made a lot.
With these low prices, which one stands to make more in the future?
Topic: Let's recap on what we've seen in the past few months - page 2. (Read 12975 times)
You fucking idiot.
It's nice to see you too
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ArtForz himself, the man who supposedly spend a shitload of his own cash, to pursue as close to an ASIC as he could get (the sASIC he mentioned) doesn't believe ASICs are viable...
... and crush your FPGA argument at the same time? I don't agree with ArtForz though, with a _low_ BTC price ASICs make sense. FPGAs already.
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I'm not posting calculations!
Understandable. After all, those calculations would likely disprove your own point
ArtForz is hobbyist.
Vladamir is a businessman.
Which one is using FPGAs?
You fucking idiot.
It's nice to see you too
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ArtForz himself, the man who supposedly spend a shitload of his own cash, to pursue as close to an ASIC as he could get (the sASIC he mentioned) doesn't believe ASICs are viable...
... and crush your FPGA argument at the same time? I don't agree with ArtForz though, with a _low_ BTC price ASICs make sense. FPGAs already.
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I'm not posting calculations!
Understandable. After all, those calculations would likely disprove your own point
I guess we're agreeing then. IMO the current bitcoin economy is not anywhere near the size and the future way too uncertain to have anyone blow the money required on the NRE of designing a real ASIC at a competitive structure size. But who knows.
DEFXOR, IF YOU'RE AROUND, PLEASE READ THIS A FEW MILLION TIMES.
Why? You've still been wrong on everything you claim and you still haven't produced any calculations of value for the rest of us
You're not saved by the ASIC/sASIC/ASIC(EasyPath FPGA)/FPGA distinctions either. To remind you:
There is no FPGA/ASIC uptake, you're just fucking stupid.
And anyone that believes FPGAs will ever be cost effective for mining is deluded.
Anyone who believes there will ever be a Bitcoin ASIC is simply fucking retarded.
Anyone who believes there will ever be a Bitcoin ASIC is simply fucking retarded.
I'd really like for you to start showing us some calculations. I've done with BTC at $8 and $4 respectively.
You fucking idiot.
ArtForz himself, the man who supposedly spend a shitload of his own cash, to pursue as close to an ASIC as he could get (the sASIC he mentioned) doesn't believe ASICs are viable...
I'm not posting calculations! They would be a waste of my time, as anyone with any fucking common sense already knows these things!
I guess we're agreeing then. IMO the current bitcoin economy is not anywhere near the size and the future way too uncertain to have anyone blow the money required on the NRE of designing a real ASIC at a competitive structure size. But who knows.
DEFXOR, IF YOU'RE AROUND, PLEASE READ THIS A FEW MILLION TIMES.
Why? You've still been wrong on everything you claim and you still haven't produced any calculations of value for the rest of us
You're not saved by the ASIC/sASIC/ASIC(EasyPath FPGA)/FPGA distinctions either. To remind you:
There is no FPGA/ASIC uptake, you're just fucking stupid.
And anyone that believes FPGAs will ever be cost effective for mining is deluded.
Anyone who believes there will ever be a Bitcoin ASIC is simply fucking retarded.
Anyone who believes there will ever be a Bitcoin ASIC is simply fucking retarded.
I'd really like for you to start showing us some calculations. I've done with BTC at $8 and $4 respectively.
I guess we're agreeing then. IMO the current bitcoin economy is not anywhere near the size and the future way too uncertain to have anyone blow the money required on the NRE of designing a real ASIC at a competitive structure size. But who knows.
DEFXOR, IF YOU'RE AROUND, PLEASE READ THIS A FEW MILLION TIMES.
I guess we're agreeing then. IMO the current bitcoin economy is not anywhere near the size and the future way too uncertain to have anyone blow the money required on the NRE of designing a real ASIC at a competitive structure size. But who knows.
If you could read, I wrote sASIC, aka structured asic, pretty much the same thing as xilinx easypath but without the niceness of 1:1 FPGA-to-ASIC on a HDL level.
Thank you for the further clarification, and also illustrating once and for all to the people that have been arguing ASICs with me lately that your project did not validate the ASIC path theory, and from what you've written, actually strengthen the argument that ASICs are completely infeasible.
If you could read, I wrote sASIC, aka structured asic, pretty much the same thing as xilinx easypath but without the niceness of 1:1 FPGA-to-ASIC on a HDL level.
I don't know what that is, but can it let me mine lots of coins without buying a bunch of expensive hardware? Anything over $50 is too much.
If you could read, I wrote sASIC, aka structured asic, pretty much the same thing as xilinx easypath but without the niceness of 1:1 FPGA-to-ASIC on a HDL level.
You forgot a few:
I never provided any proof I had a opencl miner capable of ~150Mh/s on a 5770 back in july 2010.
I never provided any proof I had a CAL IL miner doing ~650Mh/s on a stock 5970 about 3 months later.
I never provided any proof of starting development of a sASIC miner around the same time.
I never provided any proof of getting actual devices in early march, which while providing excellent hash/J sucked at attainable clock(= hashrate) relative to cost.
And you'll probably also never see any proof I've managed to get a good deal > 200Mh/s from a S6-LX150.
I never provided any proof I had a opencl miner capable of ~150Mh/s on a 5770 back in july 2010.
I never provided any proof I had a CAL IL miner doing ~650Mh/s on a stock 5970 about 3 months later.
I never provided any proof of starting development of a sASIC miner around the same time.
I never provided any proof of getting actual devices in early march, which while providing excellent hash/J sucked at attainable clock(= hashrate) relative to cost.
And you'll probably also never see any proof I've managed to get a good deal > 200Mh/s from a S6-LX150.
So, you claim you had a functioning ASIC, and now you're using the lowest tier consumer FPGA...
uh huh.
I really believe you had a functioning ASIC...
You forgot a few:
I never provided any proof I had a opencl miner capable of ~150Mh/s on a 5770 back in july 2010.
I never provided any proof I had a CAL IL miner doing ~650Mh/s on a stock 5970 about 3 months later.
I never provided any proof of starting development of a sASIC miner around the same time.
I never provided any proof of getting actual devices in early march, which while providing excellent hash/J sucked at attainable clock(= hashrate) relative to cost.
And you'll probably also never see any proof I've managed to get a good deal > 200Mh/s from a S6-LX150.
I never provided any proof I had a opencl miner capable of ~150Mh/s on a 5770 back in july 2010.
I never provided any proof I had a CAL IL miner doing ~650Mh/s on a stock 5970 about 3 months later.
I never provided any proof of starting development of a sASIC miner around the same time.
I never provided any proof of getting actual devices in early march, which while providing excellent hash/J sucked at attainable clock(= hashrate) relative to cost.
And you'll probably also never see any proof I've managed to get a good deal > 200Mh/s from a S6-LX150.
Uhhh that sounds like a movie we watched awhile ago buddy
based on what i have read.. Art is not your average bitcoin user. So I guess I will leave it at that.
And I'll leave it there's plenty of hobbyists with a lot of time on their hands who like fishermen catching "The Big One" in their friendly stories with fellows, aren't exactly being 100% honest with their claims.
I knew a guy in college who knew so much about flying airliners from playing flight-sims that he successfully convinced a number of people that he had flown as an airline pilot for a number of years before being laid off. Completely full of shit.
Just like ArtFortz.
based on what i have read.. Art is not your average bitcoin user. So I guess I will leave it at that.
So, remind me again which brain-damaged asshole with millions of inherited dollars and their loving relative with custodianship on vacation is gearing up to produce ASICS?
ArtForz, although he doesn't fit the description.
ArtFortz's ASICs are a myth.
I read enough of his posts to believe he does indeed have some ASIC type gear running. But they are not
the mass produced things we are thinking of in general. I would have to find his chat logs to explain it
properly.
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/logs/2011/01/15/9 start reading here i suppose.
I don't believe for a minute that he's telling the truth.
He's never provided any proof whatsoever, just some bullshit claims.
Probably a liar like most people on the Internet...
So, remind me again which brain-damaged asshole with millions of inherited dollars and their loving relative with custodianship on vacation is gearing up to produce ASICS?
ArtForz, although he doesn't fit the description.
ArtFortz's ASICs are a myth.
I read enough of his posts to believe he does indeed have some ASIC type gear running. But they are not
the mass produced things we are thinking of in general. I would have to find his chat logs to explain it
properly.
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/logs/2011/01/15/9 start reading here i suppose.
Not so sure that I wish to wade into the toxic soup, but...
Someone please correct me if I misunderstood how far ArtForz was able to take this, BUT, to the best of my understanding:
ArtForz, a German person, successfully ordered and implemented his(?) own ASIC design. It set him back ~$60,000, and for his pains, he was mining about a 20-25% of all the bitcoin production, somewhere around May or June of this year.
The 60,000 might have been euros. The 20-25% might (and probably was) some other specific quantity.
Was this bunk, or did it happen? I read this somewhere out on the interwebs, but so what?
Someone please correct me if I misunderstood how far ArtForz was able to take this, BUT, to the best of my understanding:
ArtForz, a German person, successfully ordered and implemented his(?) own ASIC design. It set him back ~$60,000, and for his pains, he was mining about a 20-25% of all the bitcoin production, somewhere around May or June of this year.
The 60,000 might have been euros. The 20-25% might (and probably was) some other specific quantity.
Was this bunk, or did it happen? I read this somewhere out on the interwebs, but so what?
I'm pretty sure it happened.
Quote from: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/logs/2011/01/15/10
18:38 molecular ArtForz: how long roughly until you have 100 asics up and running?
18:38 ArtForz I'll get em mid feb, probably late feb/early mar
18:38 ArtForz I'll get em mid feb, probably late feb/early mar
There's a lot more talk about the specifics after that, if anyone's interested.
So, remind me again which brain-damaged asshole with millions of inherited dollars and their loving relative with custodianship on vacation is gearing up to produce ASICS?
ArtForz, although he doesn't fit the description.
ArtFortz's ASICs are a myth.
So, remind me again which brain-damaged asshole with millions of inherited dollars and their loving relative with custodianship on vacation is gearing up to produce ASICS?
ArtForz, although he doesn't fit the description.
Brain damaged you say?
http://www.bitcoinminingaccidents.com/?p=271
Oh and he has millions of dollars too.
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