Your fundamental inability to do simple math or understand economies of scale betrays you...
Feel free to explain where my simple math abilities fail me
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Feel free to explain where my simple math abilities fail me
Though the lay man might not understand the finer technical details enough to comprehend the flaws in the Bitcoin system, the entire mystique surrounding the scam is just foul enough to impart the wisdom to stay away.
I explained the, for his use, necessary parts of Bitcoin to my hairdresser (!) yesterday, and showed him Bitcoin Wallet on my mobile.
He wants it, now. If we had what Bit-pay offers in my country he would be standing in line to sign up.
It might be flawed, but not as much as the existing credit card and banking system is for small merchants.
Why do you people still believe there's going to be bitcoin ASICs? How many goddamn times does it have to be drilled into your head that the economics will NEVER work out enough to develop one until BTC are trading for well over $50/coin steadily...
Yeah I had this argument in another thread a few weeks ago. People claimed there would NEVER be Bitcoin FPGAs.
I think it's the other way around actually. I won't even touch mining until we're at ASICs, since I consider the price to follow production cost until we hit the uptake vs deflation knee of the curve. GPU miners need to charge $6/BTC. FPGA miners can charge $0.5. ASIC miners can ...
Your fundamental inability to do simple math or understand economies of scale betrays you...
Though the lay man might not understand the finer technical details enough to comprehend the flaws in the Bitcoin system, the entire mystique surrounding the scam is just foul enough to impart the wisdom to stay away.
I explained the, for his use, necessary parts of Bitcoin to my hairdresser (!) yesterday, and showed him Bitcoin Wallet on my mobile.
He wants it, now. If we had what Bit-pay offers in my country he would be standing in line to sign up.
It might be flawed, but not as much as the existing credit card and banking system is for small merchants.
Why do you people still believe there's going to be bitcoin ASICs? How many goddamn times does it have to be drilled into your head that the economics will NEVER work out enough to develop one until BTC are trading for well over $50/coin steadily...
Yeah I had this argument in another thread a few weeks ago. People claimed there would NEVER be Bitcoin FPGAs.
I think it's the other way around actually. I won't even touch mining until we're at ASICs, since I consider the price to follow production cost until we hit the uptake vs deflation knee of the curve. GPU miners need to charge $6/BTC. FPGA miners can charge $0.5. ASIC miners can ...
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I don't believe in ASICs either, just extrapolate from the upcoming gpu->fpga trend and with a lack of information think it would be the logical choice.
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One of the reasons FPGA and ASIC won't work out is that they have almost 0 other applications than hashing. If all hashing went belly up tomorrow I'd still be able to recoop 60-70% of value from my gpus that's something that I'd never be able to do with either FPGAs or ASICs. So unless you've got balls of steel they're an at best unsound investment.
Why do you people still believe there's going to be bitcoin ASICs? How many goddamn times does it have to be drilled into your head that the economics will NEVER work out enough to develop one until BTC are trading for well over $50/coin steadily...
I don't believe in ASICs either, just extrapolate from the upcoming gpu->fpga trend and with a lack of information think it would be the logical choice. When the hashing power has decreased and rigs were sold. But yeah people are in denial, that's what gives
Deepbit disagrees with you. Over the past month the hash rate there (measured, not estimated) has gone from 5 terahash to 5.5 terahash. It was going up 50 gigahash a day as the price went below $10, and has since flatlined -- but it has not decreased in any measurable way.
*MY* remaining mining hardware is on craigslist, I don't deny it. Already sold two 5830s for $120 each, hoping for a difficulty drop or price pop to sell the last 2. But that won't be the general case until FPGA and ASIC miners make video cards as obsolete as CPUs.
It obviously will not come overnight, there are people in special locations with fees of less than 0.1$/kwh who even might be able to continue but for the most people I don't see a way out. (Unless bitcoin suddenly gets a new stream of publicity pumping more money into the system)
When the hashing power has decreased and rigs were sold. But yeah people are in denial, that's what gives
Deepbit disagrees with you. Over the past month the hash rate there (measured, not estimated) has gone from 5 terahash to 5.5 terahash. It was going up 50 gigahash a day as the price went below $10, and has since flatlined -- but it has not decreased in any measurable way.
*MY* remaining mining hardware is on craigslist, I don't deny it. Already sold two 5830s for $120 each, hoping for a difficulty drop or price pop to sell the last 2. But that won't be the general case until FPGA and ASIC miners make video cards as obsolete as CPUs.
Why do you people still believe there's going to be bitcoin ASICs? How many goddamn times does it have to be drilled into your head that the economics will NEVER work out enough to develop one until BTC are trading for well over $50/coin steadily...
When the hashing power has decreased and rigs were sold. But yeah people are in denial, that's what gives
Deepbit disagrees with you. Over the past month the hash rate there (measured, not estimated) has gone from 5 terahash to 5.5 terahash. It was going up 50 gigahash a day as the price went below $10, and has since flatlined -- but it has not decreased in any measurable way.
*MY* remaining mining hardware is on craigslist, I don't deny it. Already sold two 5830s for $120 each, hoping for a difficulty drop or price pop to sell the last 2. But that won't be the general case until FPGA and ASIC miners make video cards as obsolete as CPUs.
Honestly, anyone who thinks it will go up is too optimistic.
Eventually, Bitcoin will go back up. Its fundamentals are too strong not to.
The question is when.
-Jix
I see this posted a lot. Could you clarify exactly what you mean by "fundamentals are too strong"?
My guess is that Bitcoin is not attracting any new people at the moment that's why the slow slide (because of new Bitcoins being constantly generated).
That will probably only change once Bitcoin becomes more useful, i.e. more tools and programs have been developed, which might take a few months.
That will probably only change once Bitcoin becomes more useful, i.e. more tools and programs have been developed, which might take a few months.
Honestly, anyone who thinks it will go up is too optimistic.
Eventually, Bitcoin will go back up. Its fundamentals are too strong not to.
The question is when.
-Jix
Bitcoin is flawed.
Bitcoin is actually extremely flawed...
Though the lay man might not understand the finer technical details enough to comprehend the flaws in the Bitcoin system, the entire mystique surrounding the scam is just foul enough to impart the wisdom to stay away.
Honestly, anyone who thinks it will go up is too optimistic.
Eventually, Bitcoin will go back up. Its fundamentals are too strong not to.
The question is when.
-Jix
When the hashing power has decreased and rigs were sold. But yeah people are in denial, that's what gives
Honestly, anyone who thinks it will go up is too optimistic.
Eventually, Bitcoin will go back up. Its fundamentals are too strong not to.
The question is when.
-Jix
My guess is that Bitcoin is not attracting any new people at the moment that's why the slow slide (because of new Bitcoins being constantly generated).
That will probably only change once Bitcoin becomes more useful, i.e. more tools and programs have been developed, which might take a few months.
That will probably only change once Bitcoin becomes more useful, i.e. more tools and programs have been developed, which might take a few months.
That chart pretty much says it all: a speculative bubble, followed by a long, slow slide. For the last twenty years, the price has dropped about $8 per month.
That's gold.
Are you saying the historical chart has predictive power?
Yes, I think he means we are in 1975.
That chart pretty much says it all: a speculative bubble, followed by a long, slow slide. For the last twenty years, the price has dropped about $8 per month.
That's gold.
Are you saying the historical chart has predictive power?
That chart pretty much says it all: a speculative bubble, followed by a long, slow slide. For the last twenty years, the price has dropped about $8 per month.
That's gold.
Are you saying the historical chart has predictive power?
you bought high? don't miss this opportunity, sell while it is low
Bitcoin, the last six months. (Purple line is the 30 day trailing moving average)
That chart pretty much says it all: a speculative bubble, followed by a long, slow slide. For the last two months, the price has dropped about $4 per month.
That's Bitcoin.
Sorry but speculative bubbles go the other way arround, the have a more or less continued increase in price and then they collapse quickly. Exactly the opposite of Bitcoin.
Bitcoin, the last six months. (Purple line is the 30 day trailing moving average)
That chart pretty much says it all: a speculative bubble, followed by a long, slow slide. For the last two months, the price has dropped about $4 per month.
That's Bitcoin.
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