Topic: Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware - page 109. (Read 423279 times)

For those who aren't aware, today is Labor Day in the US -- a national holiday.  It's a three day weekend, and the traditional end of summer, so most people take a break from reality and go do something fun. Businesses almost uniformly close, except maybe for retail shops.  I wouldn't blame Steamboat at all if he's taking the long weekend to spend time with family or do something non-business related.  Give the poor man his vacation.  I'm sure he'll reply when he gets back and catches up with what's been happening in the interim.  (And yes, I'm guilty of peeking in on work-related stuff during my vacations too, but that doesn't mean I reply to every single message and request that came in while I'm away -- I maybe answer one or two, then do the rest when I get back to work after the holiday.)

And if you're upset that someone took a day off on a national freaking holiday, well, heads up -- you're not the center of the universe, and your concerns, no matter how major they seem to you, are not shared by everyone else.  Take a breath and realize that in the greater scheme of things, one day more or less won't matter.  We all knew the risks going in. The most obvious and brutal risk was the one where we lose absolutely every penny invested. That risk still exists. I don't think antagonizing the one person who could mitigate it is a wise move.

If you want to add to the discussion, at least tell me how I'm wrong then. If you even can.

He's got our money. He's got his 50K USD profits. He's not providing services for it, while all the other group buy organizers ARE. Hell yes, it's getting personal. We're not talking about a few hundred bucks. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, of which several thousand mine. The only one going unprofessional is steamboat, with the increasing amount of time between his posts, and the ongoing stalling from his side.

There is something to be said about Steamboat being the only group buy manager not willing to provide refunds when it seems to be the norm among all others.

Anyone remember before boxman90 came on here and started making this personal and unprofessional? Those were the days.

Very well said.

No he's not, he replied to one of my mails basically telling me to shut my mouth, and he's online here all the time. In fact he's online right now. There's no excuses. He got 50K USD from us to provice service in this groupbuy, fuck his 'vacation'. When there's a lot of time pressure (this wednesday Yifu is likely going to send the batches that didn't ask for a refund), and you have chosen to take on a task like this, you better be god damn ready to actually provide your customers with a basic level of customer service.

This includes him safeguarding the god damn refunds before it's too late.

He's likely on vacation with the rest of the country.

It's not FUD if it's the truth. The 29th update is obsolete, as Yifu has since posted stating refunds are accepted now. He is communicating with group buy organizers. The only one not communicating in this ordeal at this moment, is steamboat himself. Yifu, SebastianJu and Zefir have posted more in the past few days than steamboat has done in the last three weeks. Give that some thought.

He's keeping quiet in the hopes he can deliver his mining units for more profit. It seems like he's going to try and profit from this still. Mark my words, he's going to wait until after this Wednesday.


Is it?! SebastianJu set things in motion the same day and is processing refunds. Zefir set things in motion the same day and is processing refunds. Steamboat is quiet for almost 4 days now, and is refusing to process refunds. Hell, he's not making an inventory of who wants a refund and who doesnt.

It's scary as hell. He's likely safeguarding his profits, safeguarding his assembly service. He has mixed interests, we will end up as the ones taking the fall for him due to his lack of action, communication and detatchment of his assembly service.

can someone PM me steamboats e-mail address.  I seem to have misplaced it.

I've been impressed with the professionalism Steamboat has shown as well and I am of the belief that when it's all said and done, he'll make it right for all of us.  

as long as steamboat dosent write anything ... our plans equals ZERO

   Why the hell everyone is not asking for refund? Sebastian Ju has already got refund for his several batches. People !!! there is no way you are going to mine the amount of BTC that you spent. Just think about holding those BTC instead of investing on miners or these group buys. You would have made a huge profit by now. So, get refunds and hold those BTC. Or buy USD and later buy BTC when it crashes. Isn't that what we all should do now. At least you will not make any loss, only profit or no profit. Otherwise you are just being greedy, having delusional dreams that will never come true. And Steamboat should also be questioned in some issues by everyone and he should be more frequently updating. He is acting like a big fat boss who does things whenever he wishes though he took significant amount of money from us. What he has done is great, I appreciate him. He was also great in various initial things. But it happened because we participated in this group buy and agreed to pay him for his responsibilities. Some people are saying- you have taken risk, you have taken risk, now bear. What the hell? You haven't taken risk of what's actually happened or happening now. Now you have way to get out of this. So do it. All the people who are against refund are most likely from the earlier batches or people don't understand the difficulty of mining at all or just greedy of getting rich quick or just dreaming the BTC will  be like 10000 USD within a year.That's not gonna happen. There are thousands of other factors. It's really time to cut the faulty rope now for me.
   However, what about the refund for the batch 6 people?I have seen pixl8tr and TxSteve from batch 6 has asked for refund in the Steamboat Refund google doc created by another user. I am also from batch 6. But according to Yifu, he is not going to refund for batch 6 right because it's out of the time range for refund. But according to Steamboat's last update, if 10000 chips gather to be refunded, he will ask for a refund.and all people who haven't asked for refund will be upgraded to the previous batch. Am I right? I am just trying to clarify these points. Can anyone clarify me? Because I have decided to get refund if possible.
  

Needed to send out emails immediately to get responses of if people want refunds or not, and offer assembly refunds like a normal company and like other group buy organizers because they never took place. Steamboat is refusing them. You can't legally refuse them, because assembler houses are vulnerable to law and will refund for work they did not perform, at which point that leaves him stealing our money. We wouldn't be in this predicament if he acted in reasonable time. Even another 3rd party attempted to collect all the refund requests for him with no acknowledgment.

It's worth mentioning that previously I was very impressed with the professionalism Steamboat showed. However when the pressure came, his true colors started to shine. What a shame.

Yes, I'm aware of what BitSynComm said, at 12:01 AM September 1st ...

I think it is completely unrealistic to expect Steamboat to make a decision affecting thousands of chips, ONE day after some comment by Yifu.

That would be the height of foolishness.

Instant decisions lead to instant stupidity.

It does feel like Steamboat is holding out for his plan to do assembly and make his profits at the expense of the people he represented. Unless he says otherwise, he is the only groupbuy organizer that isn't refunding. What a joke. He deserves a scammer tag for pulling this on us.

We may have to start making some noise.

A few more good reads... read the posts after August 29th by Yifu himself:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitsyncom-68196


EDIT:  You may want to venture outside of this thread for information... it is typically scattered everywhere - don't ask me why.

Actually Yifu has responded and he is offering refunds for ALL batches ordered until 22 of June.

Did you actually READ the August 29th update?? There is NO communication from Yifu. Steamboat has tried calling, PM'ing, e-mailing. Nothing.

We all took a risk. Please stop spreading FUD on the forums and stop panicking. Just because other batches got refunds does not mean anything.

This isn't a playground. Just because somebody else got some ice cream does not mean you will get any ice cream.

You took a risk, like everybody else, and now the risk/rewards ratio has changed. You don't have to like it. In fact, I don't like it either. But posting drivel like the above is not going to change anything.
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Because I had 2 orders under the same account both with full assmebly, I couldn't really hand over the account or change shipping information. I had already worked out something with the buyer, and had intended to re-ship them to him immediately after receiving - but he wants the refund at this point (can't say I blame him!)... and I am treating my batch 5 order as if it was his, so its his decision.

Well, he stated that he will not escrow such transfer and not that address change is not allowed. Beside if you ordered assambly there are billing and shipping addreses what can be edited and changed. What if somebody moves?

quote for terms in chip sales:

Terms

◦Full payment including all USD based fees is required prior to shipment to final destination.

◦Address signing is required for dispute settlement.

◦All sample chips will be given to open source hardware developers to facilitate production.

◦We assume no responsibility for any issues that may arise due to circumstances outside our control, including but not limited to Avalon failing to ship, shipment being seized by customs, shipment arriving late, etc.

◦All chips purchased are sold AS IS, with no warranty of any kind.

◦You may choose to change your address a maximum of two times.

◦In order to change your shipping address you must sign the change order with the purchase address.