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I can't mine without them.
I can't mine without them.May I ask how the lack of a USB bootloader or lack of i2c chaining prevents you from mining ?
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May I ask how the lack of a USB bootloader or lack of i2c chaining prevents you from mining ?
Am I the only one left who didn't get their miners?? 
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
The miners are functional but lack USB boot loader and i2c chaining. That is what I think they are working on. I also don't have miners nor my refund request "recieved". I cannot individually link each miner conveniently for my current situation as that would require more investment I currently do not have which is probably not a wise choice neither was investing in this whole group buy in the first place
So if you can mine without needing either the USB boot loader or i2c chaining probably best to ask for shipment asap.
No
I can't mine without them. I'm sure if I spend a week google-ing and buying the HW needed I will get it going... But who's got a week's time these days...This group buy has been frustrating in every way possible.. Nothing seemed to have got right (apart from sending the BTC); the moment SB got our BTC, it started raining crap.
Reminds me of this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jdKmhcttUU
Am I the only one left who didn't get their miners??
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
The miners are functional but lack USB boot loader and i2c chaining. That is what I think they are working on. I also don't have miners nor my refund request "recieved". I cannot individually link each miner conveniently for my current situation as that would require more investment I currently do not have which is probably not a wise choice neither was investing in this whole group buy in the first place
So if you can mine without needing either the USB boot loader or i2c chaining probably best to ask for shipment asap.
Am I the only one left who didn't get their miners??
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
Did all of you guys get them without the firmware and did the work yourself?
I'm seriously seeking legal advise at this stage as we were promised the miners will be ready for deliver the next day after chips are delivered... what the fuck if going on here? FFS I want my BTC back like yesterday!
I was just doing some quick calculations involving the shipping cost I paid. I paid $46.45 USD shipping costs, which worked out to be 0.46377995 BTC.
At current mtgox prices, the equivalent USD value of those BTC today is $200.39. The Bitstamp value is $189.18! For shipping.
Given that SB had no reason whatsoever spend the shipping funds, I demand immediate payment of AT LEAST my shipping funds, IN BTC.
I'm tired of watching BTC prices going higher and higher knowing that someone ELSE is profiting on the rise of MY BTC.
Steve, will you AT LEAST please refund our shipping costs, in BTC? Surely you could manage at least that.
In fact, how about this:
Steve, if you will refund my entire shipping cost of 0.46377995 BTC (not converted to USD) within the next 24 hours, I will leave this thread forever with no expectation whatsoever of additional funds from you.
I'll also thank you graciously and publicly, and leave this thread forever.
At current mtgox prices, the equivalent USD value of those BTC today is $200.39. The Bitstamp value is $189.18! For shipping.
Given that SB had no reason whatsoever spend the shipping funds, I demand immediate payment of AT LEAST my shipping funds, IN BTC.
I'm tired of watching BTC prices going higher and higher knowing that someone ELSE is profiting on the rise of MY BTC.
Steve, will you AT LEAST please refund our shipping costs, in BTC? Surely you could manage at least that.
In fact, how about this:
Steve, if you will refund my entire shipping cost of 0.46377995 BTC (not converted to USD) within the next 24 hours, I will leave this thread forever with no expectation whatsoever of additional funds from you.
I'll also thank you graciously and publicly, and leave this thread forever.
It's impossible for us to get 100% of our refund back because steamboat converted some btc --> usd to cover the parts costs, exactly how much he had swapped over is anyone's guess and is why a bit of transparency would go a long way.
Wasn't the entire amount converted to USD in the cart via bitpay?
I believe they have options for receiving payments in either BTC or USD. We really have no way of knowing what option SB chose. For all we know, he may have even taken part in USD and part in BTC.
It's impossible for us to get 100% of our refund back because steamboat converted some btc --> usd to cover the parts costs, exactly how much he had swapped over is anyone's guess and is why a bit of transparency would go a long way.
Wasn't the entire amount converted to USD in the cart via bitpay?
I doubt he'll try to scam us, if you look at his replies in this thread and emails everything has been done to the best of his ability and quite professionally so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the reason we're not getting any update is because he's flat out organising and shipping miners for those who accepted them.
The last update from steamboat via email was only 11 days ago but for those who are wondering:
"Many of you are still waiting for information regarding the assembly refund process. We understand the wait is aggravating, and appreciate your patience in this matter. Our resources are finite, and the work load for this project has increased substantially due to reasons outside our control. We will be publishing more information when we are able, and can assure you the solution will be as fair as possible. You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter."
The last update from steamboat via email was only 11 days ago but for those who are wondering:
"Many of you are still waiting for information regarding the assembly refund process. We understand the wait is aggravating, and appreciate your patience in this matter. Our resources are finite, and the work load for this project has increased substantially due to reasons outside our control. We will be publishing more information when we are able, and can assure you the solution will be as fair as possible. You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter."
+1 Steamboat has done everything in his power to manage his time wisely, in my opinion. This is a large and intense process--he's done the best I would ever expect someone to do given the issues we had in the supply chain.
Steamboat (Liquid Synergy Designs Inc.) is taking your money to build the infrastructure for his business.
If there are any unrecoverable costs, it falls on the corporation owner. Those are the sunk costs of running and operating a business. The costs do not fall on the customer who does not benefit from the product or service. It was agreed that he would have a working product within 72 hours of chip arrival which was an agreement he breached, therefore he cannot keep a single bitcoin/dollar. I kept telling you guys to be careful from the start, but no one would listen. This is clearly going into fraud territory. If you do not receive back 100% of what you paid, you are being scammed. 25% returned, while he invests the 75% into his business and you get no stake in his corporation is fraudulent. You can send a complaint to:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/
If there are any unrecoverable costs, it falls on the corporation owner. Those are the sunk costs of running and operating a business. The costs do not fall on the customer who does not benefit from the product or service. It was agreed that he would have a working product within 72 hours of chip arrival which was an agreement he breached, therefore he cannot keep a single bitcoin/dollar. I kept telling you guys to be careful from the start, but no one would listen. This is clearly going into fraud territory. If you do not receive back 100% of what you paid, you are being scammed. 25% returned, while he invests the 75% into his business and you get no stake in his corporation is fraudulent. You can send a complaint to:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/
It's impossible for us to get 100% of our refund back because steamboat converted some btc --> usd to cover the parts costs, exactly how much he had swapped over is anyone's guess and is why a bit of transparency would go a long way. But with the way the price is sky rocketing at the moment an update from steamboat would be good. I doubt he'll try to scam us, if you look at his replies in this thread and emails everything has been done to the best of his ability and quite professionally so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the reason we're not getting any update is because he's flat out organising and shipping miners for those who accepted them.
The last update from steamboat via email was only 11 days ago but for those who are wondering:
"Many of you are still waiting for information regarding the assembly refund process. We understand the wait is aggravating, and appreciate your patience in this matter. Our resources are finite, and the work load for this project has increased substantially due to reasons outside our control. We will be publishing more information when we are able, and can assure you the solution will be as fair as possible. You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter."
Time to find myself try and not brick shit with my new PickIt3.
The only way to brick one would be ESD (they're pretty resilient). I think latch up is the worst fear.
Given the unlikelyhood of a USB boot loader being developed, It seems as though the process is kind of backwards. Seems like SB should tell folks he's shipping the miners as-is unless they insist on waiting.
Just in case anyone out there is still confused about if they should wait for a boot loader - my personal opinion is that it's impossible to fit the bootloader AND the firmware code in the limited PIC16 memory. If you are waiting for a USB bootloader to have your miners shipped, don't. Get them ASAP.
NOTE: as soon as i say "impossible", someone will do it. lol. Lets just say getting all the code to fit in 16k memory is VERY unlikely. As with certain other components in the K16 design, the choice of that specific component (PIC16) may have been ill-advised.
Just in case anyone out there is still confused about if they should wait for a boot loader - my personal opinion is that it's impossible to fit the bootloader AND the firmware code in the limited PIC16 memory. If you are waiting for a USB bootloader to have your miners shipped, don't. Get them ASAP.
NOTE: as soon as i say "impossible", someone will do it. lol. Lets just say getting all the code to fit in 16k memory is VERY unlikely. As with certain other components in the K16 design, the choice of that specific component (PIC16) may have been ill-advised.
Can I ask how many of you guys agree with this?
I've been holding out for the bootloader but I'm $#@%! tired of waiting on these things to be honest. (my BFL's have been lonely for months...)
The K16 work well enough after some tweaking for the people who have gotten them already?
The K16's I received 'as-is' worked straight out of the box. Of course I had to install cgminer and WinUSB (zadig) first for Windows, but I moved them to linux and there I just compiled cgminer and off they went.
You should *not* wait for the usb bootloader if you won't be flashing the firmware anyway. It works now and any fixes will have a marginal impact on performance. i2c chaining will not work, so you'll need to attach each one with USB instead. Other than that, they're good to go.
Thanks for taking the time. Ship as-is request sent.
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Steamboat (Liquid Synergy Designs Inc.) is taking your money to build the infrastructure for his business.
If there are any unrecoverable costs, it falls on the corporation owner. Those are the sunk costs of running and operating a business. The costs do not fall on the customer who does not benefit from the product or service. It was agreed that he would have a working product within 72 hours of chip arrival which was an agreement he breached, therefore he cannot keep a single bitcoin/dollar. I kept telling you guys to be careful from the start, but no one would listen. This is clearly going into fraud territory. If you do not receive back 100% of what you paid, you are being scammed. 25% returned, while he invests the 75% into his business and you get no stake in his corporation is fraudulent. You can send a complaint to:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/
If there are any unrecoverable costs, it falls on the corporation owner. Those are the sunk costs of running and operating a business. The costs do not fall on the customer who does not benefit from the product or service. It was agreed that he would have a working product within 72 hours of chip arrival which was an agreement he breached, therefore he cannot keep a single bitcoin/dollar. I kept telling you guys to be careful from the start, but no one would listen. This is clearly going into fraud territory. If you do not receive back 100% of what you paid, you are being scammed. 25% returned, while he invests the 75% into his business and you get no stake in his corporation is fraudulent. You can send a complaint to:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/
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The single ONE thing that has made this fiasco so bad is Steamboat's complete lack of respect for this community as shown by lack of any real communication. And I'm plenty pissed about it. Not to mention surprised and disappointed.
I have to agree, where are our *** refunds?
Please be honest Steamboat, this whole thing start to look like a scam.
Ok,to get these to work in Win7 64bit:
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
Just what I was looking for. I didn't have time last night to fiddle about with zadig and the miners apart from to get them powering up.
Thanks!
I was going to make that post a week ago,but I was having issues it was cgminer & me butting heads,turned out my little 250 watt PSU couldn't handle 12 fans either
I tried over & over to get a config file to work,never happened...............so after trial & error,a simple bat file did it
Glad it helped
Set your miners up like this:
Thats a 120mm,1 amp cpu fan from an old dell
Ok,to get these to work in Win7 64bit:
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
Just what I was looking for. I didn't have time last night to fiddle about with zadig and the miners apart from to get them powering up.
Thanks!
Are we still getting the miners delivered before 2014?
Mine is setting on my desk as we speak....
Ok,to get these to work in Win7 64bit:
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
1.Go here for CGMiner 3.7.0(it works best for me),get the windows.zip file:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
If you want the latest cgminer,go here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
2.Get Zadig,I DL'ed this one-zadig_v2.0.1.160.7z
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
3.Plug one K16 USB cable (be sure its powered up+fan hooked to 4pin molex) & install Zadig,it should show that its driver installed.
4.Reboot when asked to.Now make a bat file,in Notepad copy & paste this & add your pool info:
cgminer -o http://pool:port -u username -p password
If you want a backup pool,use this:
cgminer -o http://pool1:port -u pool1username -p pool1password -o http://pool2:port -u pool2usernmae -p pool2password
Call it cgminer.bat,save it to your desktop,paste it in cgminer folder,double click the bat file to run cgminer.
Now add your miners one at a time.You can plug your fan into the board after its mining.
DONE!!!
Edit:cgminer has a temp cutoff of 54C,be sure to add fans cooling the backside (opposite side of heatsink) to bring temps down.
Are we still getting the miners delivered before 2014?
Even if you disonnect during programming you can never brick it with pickit3. Might be possible to brick them with usb boot loader tho, if the bootloader is part of the data being overwritten in the programming process. In that case, it would require a pickit3 reprogramming to unbrick it.
So if you have a number of miners, I'd go get a pickit3 on ebay and get those miners hashing asap worry bout firmware later
So if you have a number of miners, I'd go get a pickit3 on ebay and get those miners hashing asap
worry bout firmware later I can't agree with this strongly enough!
Unless you simply cannot mine without i2c chaining please do not wait for the USB boot loader! If you read between the lines in SB's last update, he was trying to tell y'all this...
BTW, if you're bored, do a Goole search for "PIC16 USB boot loader code" and see how many code examples you can find
Even if you disonnect during programming you can never brick it with pickit3. Might be possible to brick them with usb boot loader tho, if the bootloader is part of the data being overwritten in the programming process. In that case, it would require a pickit3 reprogramming to unbrick it.
So if you have a number of miners, I'd go get a pickit3 on ebay and get those miners hashing asap worry bout firmware later
So if you have a number of miners, I'd go get a pickit3 on ebay and get those miners hashing asap
worry bout firmware later I ordered a PickIt3 just for kicks, but the miners work pretty well out of the box. In other words, the PickIt3 is not necessary at this time.
It might be in the future. The miners work fine. If you have to restart them up, you have to unplug them, and I at least hotplug them 2 at a time into CGminer, those 2 start hashing and once they get up to max Gh/s, at 325 Mhz, I hotplug 2 more, and so on.
It seems that CGminer gets confused sometimes, or it may be a driver issue, even with the changed parameters in CGminer recompile. Sometimes, one KLN will get stuck at 0.00 Gh/s for a while, and it needs to be re-plugged in.
But overall, they work fine. They do suck down power though. Take about 55 watts each at 325 Mhz. I have 10 running + a BFL single, and that whole setup + 2 fans sucks down 712 Watts at about 86-90 Gh/s. (off a killawatt meter). The computer is not included in that figure.
I have the window totally open, and it's been below freezing outside. The room is still nice and toasty with the miners next to the window.
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