Topic: List of ongoing scams - page 15. (Read 19577 times)

I think he's implying its a scam due to the fact it has decent popularity & claiming that everyone who bets is fake..

I think he's going insane. The sorta insane where people think everyone's against them, working for the government, spies etc. etc.

I usually refrain from making personal attacks, but how retarded are you?

The "classic" Ripple has existed for many years. Anyone could use it. It did not require XRP. XRP was invented because they need a way to rip off Bitcoiners.

If you call XRPs stamps, then Bitcoins are stamps too.

OpenCoin Inc does need to make money, but a for-profit currency (such as the Federal Reserve Dollar or XRP) is something I do not support. I support open source, and non-profit currency. That doesn't mean you can't build something for-profit on top of a nonprofit currency.

Breaking News: MtGox.com is a scam, they take your money and buy bitcoins for you.

much like the postal service of great britain use to work for decades without stamps. where the queen and kings paid the 'postmen' food and horses to be able to transport mail between districts. but then the stamp was invented to allow individuals to use the service.

much like ripple. for years used by kings and queens (the big timer exchanges) and now using xrp for individuals.

starting to see why the stamp analogy works soo well..
opencoin do need t make money, that is true. they are a business after all. not a charity. but xrp are not gold or silver. they are simply a method of showing a costbase per transaction (decimal of an xrp per transaction) which when people buy xrp are paying for the ability to sending the transaction.

XRP are not intended to be analogised as a jewel or gold. but as a receipt/stamp as a payment of service.

please get out of the cave and read the purpose of ripple from ripple. not the chinese whispered twisted words of the youtube sofa anarchists and wiki editors.

i bet 98% of people that say ripple is a scam have never even used ripple to move bitcoin from their wallet to convert into fiat with bitstamp.
instead they just hang around these forums buying xrp off of other people and trying to sell it on to other people believing that XRP holds a value over and above that of a postage stamp.

XRP is not needed to transfer anything, it is a completely arbitrary currency introduced by OpenCoin Inc for two reasons:

1) A currency that requires less (but still requires trust due to ripple.txt) trust to transfer
2) So OpenCoin Inc can get rich off people who think it is open source

Ripple can work without any single XRP. Ripple has, for years, worked without XRP 100% fine. Only after OpenCoin Inc bought it out was XRP introduced. It is directly competing with Bitcoin, which is not a bad thing alone, but XRP/Ripple is not a fair, open source or decentralized currency.

bitcoins are in a different ballgame to xrp.. but this is the problem people think xrp are the exact same thing. once you realise to treat xrp differently, to treat xrp as just the "transaction fee" and not a jewel you will see.

bitcoins have value of a jewel because of the miners doing hard work to earn them.. xrp is not a mining coin..there is no proof of work, so its not a gold or a jewel. so should not be used as a item of value to be traded alone. just used as a tool to ensure secure transport of other currencies.

XRP **is** a currency.

By your definition, bitcoins are just stamps too, they are used to reward miners as well as pay transaction fees so you can embed signatures and scripts in the blockchain, a p2p filesharing network. Bitcoins aren't a currency!

facepalm + slap across the face with a wet fish..

see this is YOUR misunderstanding. ripples are not dealing out jewels.. xrp is not a jewel or a currency. xrp is simply a stamped address envelope they offer for people to use to do transactions. but its people like you that wish to think that XRP is an item of value to be hoarded and traded for its own asset value.

yes i know there are stamp collectors that like to collect stamps. but that is not the purpose of a stamp. so stop treating xrp as a high priced item and then cry when you don't get much money for it.

ripple made billions of them because they only value xrp as pennies, purely to cover their costs. the same as the postal service printing billions of stamps and selling them for pennies purely to cover their costs.

once you realise its not a currency, alone. but more of a method for the company to get paid for offering the peer-to-peer exchange service you will all stop trying to sell xrp for bitcoin. and start holding onto your 1000 xrp and using them to exchange bitcoin into fiat, fiat into bitcoin where the xrp slowly decreases by decimal amounts as they get USED.

much like i have a drawer with a handfull of stamps that i hold so when i post a cheque i can peel a stamp off the pack and put it on an envelope.

ripple dont have bitcoins to offer customer. ripple allow bitstamp to list their address so that bitstamp is the place to deliver fiat to to get bitcoin in exchange. much like i can send a cheque to a business and get a product in return.

i will say it one last time because you seem to not realise the truth. ripple are not a pawn shop, a bitcoin trader they ar a postal service of IOU's between individuals and other businesses. ripple don't owe you anything. because they dont give out bitcoin or fiat. they just handle the cheques and deliver them to the named people involved.

so rely on what the desciption says on ripple.com. not the inept misuderstandings that individuals tell you that then get edited onto wiki. quoting wiki as a valued source of information is  a failure because its been wrote by individuals.

much like the value of quoting youtube videos as 100% truth purely because something is said does not make it the truth. do your research!
i dont hold stamps to try making money out of, i hold stamps to send cheques/letters in the mail.
that is the true purpose of ripple. a postal service for finance. not a pawn shop for jewels

Anything which isn't evidence by itself (e.g. no need to provide evidence that the website doesn't offer provable fairness) can be easily reachable via google in about 3 seconds.


Of course with the level of transparency of S. Dice they would at the very least need to have access to the amount of coins they are trying to fake.

From what I understand the secret list is merely a collection of hashes of a random strings isn't it?


Researched and added.


If bit777 denies the fact that it happened I can post a pic or get an admin that removed the posts to verify.

I do care because it is an indicator of how much can you trust them, would you have seriously not be mad if I have set up a casino and claimed to have received tens of thousands of BTC in wagers and thousands of bets and you bet in it, after that you would find out that you were the first person to bet and we were really in beta so you could have potentially lost the coins?


"That pyramid scheme has already paid out to me multiple times, seems legit to me!"


Evidence for what? I am not the one that needs to show evidence that their statistical data is invalid, they claim it is valid thus they need to show the evidence to prove it isn't, but as usual, they won't, because it isn't.

Your list is a joke, full of guesswork.  Do you consider evidence a "non essential", because you appear to have stripped any evidence from your allegations.


It takes billions of years to brute force sha256.  A 24 hour delay isn't going to help them.  They published all their hashes far in advance, and so have lots of time to bruteforce collisions.

As for them being able to bet against themselves, any casino can do that.


They hold customer balances in US dollars.  That's entirely up to them.  Last I saw they were using the current BitStamp price to do the conversions.  If you want to complain about them I'd pick on the lack of provable fairness and the rudeness of the owner.


They delay bets over a certain threshold to wait for confirmations.  This is pretty standard behaviour, although it would be better if they made this practice clear on their site.


Pics or it didn't happen.

Lack of provable fairness is a worry, but they say they're working on adding it.  Any casino can pretend to be busier than they really are, even satoshidice which is completely 'transparent'.  They just need to bet against themselves to do so, so this "lack of verifiables" isn't an issue.  So long as they deal fair games and pay out when you win what do you care how busy they are?


They've paid me out several times already.  Seems legit to me.


Got evidence?  It's a well designed responsive site.  It's fun to play at, and has a low house edge.  I'm not surprised it attracts a lot of business.

Let's retort ahead of time for whatever bullshit statement you decide to pull out of you crusted asshole next.

How easy would it have been to throw your little list up in off topic. Asking the user base as a whole for opinions on these websites.  Further why bfl?  Don't you think after 11 months people are already with a non droneish opinion reguarding them?  All you have to do is search bfl scam as a keyword search to find countless stains like yourself who have pretty much trolled the exact cum girggled jargon you have.  

You are an idiot.  I'm sure your the a typical generally retarded sum of the incest pool who doesn't read discriptions, instructions or for that matter anything helpful then piss moans later because something didn't work out for you.  Please fucking kill yourself

The weed smoker that got his pet slaughtered by a violent group of gang members armed to the teeth storming into his home.
The guy that stole 100$ and later gave it back because it's not the way his mother raised him.
There are many brilliant honest people behind bars.

Wait, there's a good kind of ex-con?

Point proven.   When the tide shifts assholes like you tend to hit the fetal position on the ground.  Grab a binky bitch boy. Your not going to get famous with your populated list of opinions that have no valid points or resources. 

Objective facts are all of these sites have never had an issue paying out.

You are just pissed cause mommy touched you then stopped.

You speak as if I simply say my personal opinion rather than showing objective facts.


Encouraging that behavior? Wow...

Glad I got to call this idiot out.

Op is the guy who blames everything of being a scam so that when he's actually right, he gets a sense of accomplishment.

OP wanted attention. OP got attention.

 

Of course you don't since you cannot address other points, I have corrected the PHP mistake.


"Well I've also participated in pyramid schemes and was paid so it's not like they are scams!"

It's a scam, if they misrepresent, skew and stretch information, it's a scam, even if they pay out afterwards, guess what? It's still a scam. Bitcoin has set back humanity 50 years scam wise with it's alternative monetary system, if you do not care about your customers' trust in you enough to provide this information you deserve the label anyway.

They don't release TXID's since that way you can hijack peoples accounts, since they're based off 'desired payout addresses'. Stunna said he's looking for an alternative however so he can get around that issue.

Your just paranoid.

Also every single other casino you listed I've played on and have had no problems what so ever.