Topic: [LIST] Open Source Hardware Wallets - page 2. (Read 2897 times)
Should add Jade DIY hww to the list. Blockstream has a repo on their github specifically for esp32 related devices. See here for visuals: https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1355209508335841280
Very weird hardware wallet if you ask me, since it depends on a splitted seed that is only stored at four cards. If you need to set up a new hardware wallet you can not put on the seed in just any device but you have to hope that they are still on the market in that moment. Also you are lost if the card is not readable anymore in maybe 20+ years.
I think this approach is much safer than what most other hardware wallets are using today, especially if they are closed source black boxes.Some DIY signing devices are also using this approach of not storing keys and secrets on device, but you import them quickly with QR codes, or slower manually.
I am not supporting or defending Cypherock, but they are doing something in a differently and I applaud for that.
By the way, thank you for this very helpful thread.
This information should still be verified, don't trust me aka some random geek on internet that could be wrong 
I just wanted to know this information myself and I couldn't find it anywhere, so I decided to collect everything in one topic.
Hardware wallet ecosystem can be a jungle for newcomers... And it's even more true when the marketing kicks out (fancy screen, +10000 (shit)coins supported, finger print sensor...)
Imho, the best security is the one you can manage from A to Z, knowing the risk on each steps and how to mitigate it. No need the latest high end, fully equiped hardware wallet that will soon or later no more working because of a poor camera or a poor finger reader, right ?
I'll keep on eye on this thread...
By the way, thank you for this very helpful thread.
Very weird hardware wallet if you ask me, since it depends on a splitted seed that is only stored at four cards. If you need to set up a new hardware wallet you can not put on the seed in just any device but you have to hope that they are still on the market in that moment. Also you are lost if the card is not readable anymore in maybe 20+ years.
The device should work, no matter if they're still on the market or not.If a card is broken, it shouldn't matter either, since you have multiple ones and only need 2 to sign, as far as I know.
I personally just find it inconvenient having to carry 2 cards or 1 card + the device around to quickly sign a transaction. For me, hardware wallets are all about convenient, secure Bitcoin usage - cold storage can be done very securely and reliably with paper and / or metal.
New device is added to the list of open source hardware wallet and it is called Cypherock X1.
If you are interested in testing this device you can purchase it right now with Black Friday discount for around $100 plus shipping.
This hardware wallet is working in unique way and in package you receive one X1 wallet and four X1 Cards.
Cypherock code is available on github for inspection and iut was audited by Keylabs:
https://github.com/Cypherock
If you are interested in testing this device you can purchase it right now with Black Friday discount for around $100 plus shipping.
This hardware wallet is working in unique way and in package you receive one X1 wallet and four X1 Cards.
Cypherock code is available on github for inspection and iut was audited by Keylabs:
https://github.com/Cypherock
Very weird hardware wallet if you ask me, since it depends on a splitted seed that is only stored at four cards. If you need to set up a new hardware wallet you can not put on the seed in just any device but you have to hope that they are still on the market in that moment. Also you are lost if the card is not readable anymore in maybe 20+ years.
New device is added to the list of open source hardware wallet and it is called Cypherock X1.
If you are interested in testing this device you can purchase it right now with Black Friday discount for around $100 plus shipping.
This hardware wallet is working in unique way and in package you receive one X1 wallet and four X1 Cards.
Cypherock code is available on github for inspection and iut was audited by Keylabs:
https://github.com/Cypherock
If you are interested in testing this device you can purchase it right now with Black Friday discount for around $100 plus shipping.
This hardware wallet is working in unique way and in package you receive one X1 wallet and four X1 Cards.
Cypherock code is available on github for inspection and iut was audited by Keylabs:
https://github.com/Cypherock
Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Collaborative in what way? Are they collecting, storing, and sharing user data with government agencies upon request? I am sure they all do that. Companies (crypto-related or not) have to respect local laws and regulations and aren't exempt from them. Maybe you are talking about the Address Ownership Protocol (AOPP) they support when you said they collaborate with the government. Of course i was talking about AOPP, "someone" just misundertsand it on purpouse to primping among us...
For the companies... they can decide to be not collaborative expecially if they are multinational and have a multisite branch in different countries...
btw, thanks a lot for your help.... definetley i wil made my own research... elsewhere
Don't be mad; it's just that this forum is by far the biggest pool of good Bitcoin information, and your questions were answered before. I recommend to use this site for quickly and easily searching on BitcoinTalk:https://ninjastic.space/search
i have prepared a fully a complete answer to your allegations, then I thought that since I already have white hair it made no sense to argue with disrespectful kids. I simply put you on "ignore" so don't bother to answer any more. thanks
This forum does require a little bit of a thick skin sometimes, though it should be noted dkbit98 never insulted you.Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.
Anyhow; let's stay on topic..
Looking forward to those new wallets. I would love to see more airgapped stuff! i have prepared a fully a complete answer to your allegations, then I thought that since I already have white hair it made no sense to argue with disrespectful kids. I simply put you on "ignore" so don't bother to answer any more. thanks
Sorry if you think this way, but I never argued with you and I don't think I was disrespectful in any way, but maybe you forgot to drink your medications.This is my topic about Open Source Hardware Wallets, not about me giving advices what you should or shouldn't buy with your own money.
And yes the rumors are true, I am very young kid, that is why I always use year of my birth for creating accounts, and I use 1234 for all my passwords
Back on topic, there are few new hardware wallets ready to be added on this list, but I am waiting for the official release and updates.
Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Collaborative in what way? Are they collecting, storing, and sharing user data with government agencies upon request? I am sure they all do that. Companies (crypto-related or not) have to respect local laws and regulations and aren't exempt from them. Maybe you are talking about the Address Ownership Protocol (AOPP) they support when you said they collaborate with the government. Of course i was talking about AOPP, "someone" just misundertsand it on purpouse to primping among us...
For the companies... they can decide to be not collaborative expecially if they are multinational and have a multisite branch in different countries...
btw, thanks a lot for your help.... definetley i wil made my own research... elsewhere
Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Trezor is not open source, until they build a property chip
Trezor IS fully open source, it doesn't have secure element yet, but it works just fine and can be used with passphrase.Trezor is not open source, until they build a property chip
Bitbox is NOT collaborative with authorities, and I never said that, it's fork of Trezor wallet with secure chip integration.
I don't like satodime so much, but you can do your own research and don't ask same questions multiple times.
what about satodime? considering that i don't like the card reader but it seems not strictly necessary if using NFC
Dude I am not your babysitter so do as you want with your money... you are not purchasing rocket to Mars, and I don't like repeating myself 
i have prepared a fully a complete answer to your allegations, then I thought that since I already have white hair it made no sense to argue with disrespectful kids. I simply put you on "ignore" so don't bother to answer any more. thanks
Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Collaborative in what way? Are they collecting, storing, and sharing user data with government agencies upon request? I am sure they all do that. Companies (crypto-related or not) have to respect local laws and regulations and aren't exempt from them. Maybe you are talking about the Address Ownership Protocol (AOPP) they support when you said they collaborate with the government. Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Trezor is not open source, until they build a property chip
Trezor IS fully open source, it doesn't have secure element yet, but it works just fine and can be used with passphrase.Trezor is not open source, until they build a property chip
Bitbox is NOT collaborative with authorities, and I never said that, it's fork of Trezor wallet with secure chip integration.
I don't like satodime so much, but you can do your own research and don't ask same questions multiple times.
what about satodime? considering that i don't like the card reader but it seems not strictly necessary if using NFC
Dude I am not your babysitter so do as you want with your money... you are not purchasing rocket to Mars, and I don't like repeating myself I was referring to your post here.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secure-element-in-hardware-wallets-5304483
in the table it says that it is open source.
Hmmm yeah I see what you are referring to :/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secure-element-in-hardware-wallets-5304483
in the table it says that it is open source.
This was probably my mistake with table information and I corrected it now.
According to Tangem sources I found, only app and NFC communication protocol are open source, everything else including firmware is closed source.
the alternative for me was satochip, but i saw that tangem has a lot more coins available and moreover doesn't need any card reader
You don't really need to have support for lot of coins because most of them wont exist in few years.Best comment I saw about this is like you are using highly secure vault for storing bunch of bananas aka shitcoins, they will all be rotten soon enough.
i'm not considering keystone and hypermate due to the price and One key is available only in the mini version at the moment and is outdated according your table.
I would say that Bitbox, Keystone and Trezor are your the best choices for hardware wallets in 2022, that is if you want to have support for Bitcoin and other altcoins.Everything else is not recommended by me, but you can do whatever you want with your money.
According what you said,
Bitbox is collaborative with authorities
Trezor is not open source, until they build a property chip
keystone seems to be the the only alternative, but cost more than 100€ and needs battery
what about satodime? considering that i don't like the card reader but it seems not strictly necessary if using NFC
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Everything else is not recommended by me, but you can do whatever you want with your money.
I guess KeepKey could also be an alternative; as far as I know it's basically a Trezor clone in a different case. i'm not considering keystone and hypermate due to the price and One key is available only in the mini version at the moment and is outdated according your table.
I would say that Bitbox, Keystone and Trezor are your the best choices for hardware wallets in 2022, that is if you want to have support for Bitcoin and other altcoins.Everything else is not recommended by me, but you can do whatever you want with your money.
I was referring to your post here.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secure-element-in-hardware-wallets-5304483
in the table it says that it is open source.
Hmmm yeah I see what you are referring to :/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secure-element-in-hardware-wallets-5304483
in the table it says that it is open source.
This was probably my mistake with table information and I corrected it now.
According to Tangem sources I found, only app and NFC communication protocol are open source, everything else including firmware is closed source.
the alternative for me was satochip, but i saw that tangem has a lot more coins available and moreover doesn't need any card reader
You don't really need to have support for lot of coins because most of them wont exist in few years.Best comment I saw about this is like you are using highly secure vault for storing bunch of bananas aka shitcoins, they will all be rotten soon enough.
i'm not considering keystone and hypermate due to the price and One key is available only in the mini version at the moment and is outdated according your table.
I would say that Bitbox, Keystone and Trezor are your the best choices for hardware wallets in 2022, that is if you want to have support for Bitcoin and other altcoins.Everything else is not recommended by me, but you can do whatever you want with your money.
just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
In case you didn't saw or read correctly, I created the this topic for list of Open Source wallets, and I am not talking about applications but about device firmware.guessing why
If you have more information that Tangem released their firmware as open source please post them here.
Until then I am not going to recommend anyone Tangem devices.
Tangem is a crypto card, so it's not a hardware wallet.
Tangem has crypto cards, but they also have hardware wallets that look like cards, but it's true they are all closed source devices.I was referring to your post here.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secure-element-in-hardware-wallets-5304483
in the table it says that it is open source.
the alternative for me was satochip, but i saw that tangem has a lot more coins available and moreover doesn't need any card reader
i'm not considering keystone and hypermate due to the price and One key is available only in the mini version at the moment and is outdated according your table.
so i'm open to advices
just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
In case you didn't saw or read correctly, I created the this topic for list of Open Source wallets, and I am not talking about applications but about device firmware.guessing why
If you have more information that Tangem released their firmware as open source please post them here.
Until then I am not going to recommend anyone Tangem devices.
Tangem is a crypto card, so it's not a hardware wallet.
Tangem has crypto cards, but they also have hardware wallets that look like cards, but it's true they are all closed source devices.hello,
just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
Tangem is a crypto card, so it's not a hardware wallet. just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
The Tangem is closed-source as far as I know. The product uses an open-source secure element according to dkbit98's description in Secure Element in Hardware Wallets.
However, the Android and iOS apps are closed-source according to Wallet Scrutiny:
https://walletscrutiny.com/iphone/com.tangem.Tangem/
https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.tangem.wallet/
hello,
just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
just considering to buy Tangem, but i saw that is not very popular here despite has all the specs considered safe as open source, EAL6+ etc...
guessing why
The latter was critiqued in the past though; since they are sponsored by CoinKite, they claimed ColdCard to be reproducible, while the more neutral walletscrutiny website claimed this to be false. Not sure how it played out in the end, though.
This two website obviously have slightly different definitions and interpretations for what reproducable code really means. I don't think there's much room for interpretation, because it's a yes or no answer which simply asks whether the binaries do match or whether they don't.
The latter was critiqued in the past though; since they are sponsored by CoinKite, they claimed ColdCard to be reproducible, while the more neutral walletscrutiny website claimed this to be false. Not sure how it played out in the end, though.
This two website obviously have slightly different definitions and interpretations for what reproducable code really means, and it's true that Bitcoinbinary is owned by Coldcard aka NVK.Let's not forget that ColdCard was misleading their customers for a long time claiming they are open source, but they recently changed that description on their website to Verifiable Source Code.
That is not open source so I don't have ColdCard on my list, but I do consider it better than ledger, safepal and other closed source stuff.
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