[LIST] Wallets supporting Taproot - page 6.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 28, 2022, 10:03:49 AM

Just discovered a new wallet ^[MyCitadel] while I was watching a video ^{[14:58 - 15:43]} on Bitcoin Magazine's channel... It's "open-source" and they're claiming to be the "first wallet that's allowing taproot multisig and locktime-based spending conditions".

Judging by a few tweets I looked at on their Twitter account, the wallet has some interesting features. They are adding TOR and two other privacy implementations called Nym and I2P. No idea what Nym or I2P is though. Undecided

The wallet also supports lightning payments, and you can run your own LN node. Similarly to Electrum, looks like MyCitadel can be both a hot and cold wallet.

I'm not very familiar with it, but I2P is some type of anonymous network layer, reminding me a bit of Tor.
The MyCitadel repo has no mention of I2P or Nym, but I've heard the former being mentioned here and there in Bitcoin context lately; may be something worth reading up on.

Sad to see no new commits since July. It's always good to have some more wallet options and competition in this field, as well.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 28, 2022, 10:03:49 AM

Just discovered a new wallet ^[MyCitadel] while I was watching a video ^{[14:58 - 15:43]} on Bitcoin Magazine's channel... It's "open-source" and they're claiming to be the "first wallet that's allowing taproot multisig and locktime-based spending conditions".

Judging by a few tweets I looked at on their Twitter account, the wallet has some interesting features. They are adding TOR and two other privacy implementations called Nym and I2P. No idea what Nym or I2P is though. Undecided

The wallet also supports lightning payments, and you can run your own LN node. Similarly to Electrum, looks like MyCitadel can be both a hot and cold wallet.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 28, 2022, 10:03:49 AM

Just discovered a new wallet ^[MyCitadel] while I was watching a video ^{[14:58 - 15:43]} on Bitcoin Magazine's channel... It's "open-source" and they're claiming to be the "first wallet that's allowing taproot multisig and locktime-based spending conditions".
^{Note: My post shouldn't be counted as a vouch!}

Thank you for making a post about this SFR10, I updated the list with new MyCitadel wallet.
This is the first time I heard about this wallet, and I didn't have time to test how it works, but good thing this is open source wallet and it supports Taproot addresses.
I downloaded wallet now, but I see it is owned by swiss company Pandora Prime Sarl, so I am not sure how good that is.

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Just discovered a new wallet ^[MyCitadel] while I was watching a video ^{[14:58 - 15:43]} on Bitcoin Magazine's channel... It's "open-source" and they're claiming to be the "first wallet that's allowing taproot multisig and locktime-based spending conditions".
^{Note: My post shouldn't be counted as a vouch!}

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 16, 2022, 08:08:13 AM

I have heard someone mention that but never gave it too much thought as I didn't consider it something worth worrying about. A few weeks ago I did play around with a Native Segwit address and tried changing one of its characters in order to see if the wallet would still consider it valid. But I never managed to find a validly invalid address. I will check out those sources to see if they offer more information on what would need to by mistyped to trick the system.

I don't think a "slight change" in a Bech32 address could create a valid address due to the way checksum works, although you can't test it by hand since you need a way to quickly check thousands of permutations to be sure. Something like this where I replaced 2 characters and checked 719,872 permutations and none of them were valid.

Code:

string addr = "bc1qw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kv8f3t4";
char[] addrChars = addr.ToCharArray();
List result = new();
int totalChecked = 0;
for (int a = 4; a < addrChars.Length - 1; a++)
{
for (int b = a + 1; b < addrChars.Length; b++)
{
for (int i = 0; i < Bech32.CharSet.Length; i++)
{
for (int j = 0; j < Bech32.CharSet.Length; j++)
{
addrChars[a] = Bech32.CharSet[i];
addrChars[b] = Bech32.CharSet[j];
string temp = new(addrChars);
if (temp != addr && Bech32.IsValid(temp, Bech32.Mode.B32))
{
result.Add(new string(addrChars));
}
totalChecked++;
}
}
}
}
Console.WriteLine(result.Count);

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Quote from: witcher_sense on July 12, 2022, 10:47:24 AM

"it is possible to slightly alter bech32 address in such a way that doesn't invalidate checksum." In other words, if you accidentally make a typo in the address, your wallet still accepts it as valid, but you may lose your coins because there is no corresponding private key to an altered address. bech32m fixes this vulnerability by introducing a new checksum algorithm.

I have heard someone mention that but never gave it too much thought as I didn't consider it something worth worrying about. A few weeks ago I did play around with a Native Segwit address and tried changing one of its characters in order to see if the wallet would still consider it valid. But I never managed to find a validly invalid address. I will check out those sources to see if they offer more information on what would need to by mistyped to trick the system.

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Quote from: SFR10 on July 13, 2022, 11:37:49 AM

Just found another mobile lightning wallet ^[Zeus] that "recently announced" they've added support for Taproot addresses.

Thank you for posting suggestion SFR10, list is updated.
I recently noticed that LND (Lightning Network Daemon) by LightningLabs added support for Taproot since v0.15.
It's possible that we are going to have much more third party wallets starting to use LND, like it was case with Zeus.
I didn't use Zeus so far, but it is open-source and non-custodial wallet and that sounds good.

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Just found another mobile lightning wallet ^[Zeus] that "recently announced" they've added support for Taproot addresses.
^{- The only catch is it requires using "LND v0.15+"!}

Update:

Quote from: dkbit98 on July 14, 2022, 08:32:19 AM

Thank you for posting suggestion SFR10, list is updated.

You're very welcome

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 12, 2022, 11:08:29 AM

I never thought of it, are bitcoin addresses case sensitive?

Legacy and nested segwit addresses are case sensitive, taking look at the addresses, you will notice upper and lower cases, but native segwit and P2TR addresses are not case sensitive, they can be in upper case or lower case, anyone you use is correct, but I prefer the address to be in lower case as it is on reputed wallet

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on July 12, 2022, 09:51:27 AM

You left me a whole lot of reading and it's gonna take me time to understand the entire idea. Thanks.

Quote from: witcher_sense on July 12, 2022, 10:47:24 AM

"it is possible to slightly alter bech32 address in such a way that doesn't invalidate checksum." In other words, if you accidentally make a typo in the address, your wallet still accepts it as valid, but you may lose your coins because there is no corresponding private key to an altered address. bech32m fixes this vulnerability by introducing a new checksum algorithm.

I usually copy and paste an address then I check first few character and last few characters. It's too much to check all the characters for a human I think. But anyway, I assume Legacy and Nested segwit does not have this checksum issue.

Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 12, 2022, 10:52:18 AM

In addition to the answer that was previously provided. You can distinguish native Segwit address and tap root by looking at the 4th letter i.e tap root has "P" while native Segwit has "Q".

I never thought of it, are bitcoin addresses case sensitive?

Dumb fu**, I should have known better 🤣
I am an embarrassment for a Legendary rank LOL

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In addition to the answer that was previously provided. You can distinguish native Segwit address and tap root by looking at the 4th letter i.e tap root has "P" while native Segwit has "Q".
With taproot transactions verification on the Bitcoin network is easier and more effective. It aids lower tx fees and also improves privacy.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 12, 2022, 09:08:34 AM

What are the advantages it has over a bech32 address?

I am not a technically competent person, but I will try to explain. bech32 encoding scheme contains a sophisticated error detection mechanism that can identify up to four mistypes in an address, and in some cases, it can tell you where those errors occurred. However, this scheme has a serious vulnerability which is called "length extension mutation weakness" which in layman's terms means "it is possible to slightly alter bech32 address in such a way that doesn't invalidate checksum." In other words, if you accidentally make a typo in the address, your wallet still accepts it as valid, but you may lose your coins because there is no corresponding private key to an altered address. bech32m fixes this vulnerability by introducing a new checksum algorithm.

You can read more here:

https://bitcoinops.org/en/topics/bech32/
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/101117/what-problems-identified-with-bech32-addresses-have-been-resolved-with-the-updat
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/91602/how-does-the-bech32-length-extension-mutation-weakness-work
https://river.com/learn/terms/b/bech32-modified/
https://github.com/sipa/bech32/issues/51

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 12, 2022, 09:08:34 AM

If I understand correctly then Taproot is 4th type of address format.

Legacy start with a 1
Nested SegWit starts with a 3
Native SegWit stars with bc1

How to identify Taproot address?
What are the advantages it has over a bech32 address?

This verity are going to be overwhelming and for someone like me who is old school it is going to be hard to remember

You can read this to know about the transaction fee advantage segwit version 0 (native segwit) has over segwit version 1 (pay-to-taproot).

Pay-to-taproot (P2TR) transaction fee

BIP 86: m/86'/0'/0'/0/0 > Taproot
Key Derivation for Single Key P2TR Outputs
For low output and more input transaction, like consolidation, pay-to-taproot fee is lesser
For low input and more output transaction, the fee for native segwit (version 0) is lesser (a very good advantage)
For the same input and output, the fees are almost the same for version 0 (bc1q addresses) and version 1 (bc1p addresses)

For multisig. Transaction will be indistinguishable as a result of key aggregation, even 15-of-15 multisig will have the same fee like a transaction made from single pubkey wallet.

Also it can help in lightning network while closing a channel, both party can join their signatures together to make a single one which will also reduce transaction fee. It makes key aggregation possible and generate a single key and schnorr signature.

With the help of adaptor signature, atomic swap is possible.

The difference in both addresses
bc1q... For native segwit (segwit version o)
bc1p... For pay-to-taproot (segwit version 1)

q is the witness version 0 for native segwit, p is the witness version 1 for pay-to-taproot.

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If I understand correctly then Taproot is 4th type of address format.

Legacy start with a 1
Nested SegWit starts with a 3
Native SegWit stars with bc1

How to identify Taproot address?
What are the advantages it has over a bech32 address?

This verity are going to be overwhelming and for someone like me who is old school it is going to be hard to remember 🙄

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Quote from: nc50lc on May 03, 2022, 10:29:41 PM

You can update this now, no need for manual import through the console/command.
Bitcoin Core version 23.0 now creates descriptor wallets with Taproot parent descriptors by default.

Thank you for reporting.
List is now updated and manual import removed from Bitcoin Core wallet.

No new wallets to report, but Keystone hardware wallet is currently working on adding Taproot support and they should be fourth hardware wallet that supports it, after Ledger, Trezor and BitBox02.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 15, 2021, 01:13:06 PM

Bitcoin Core ^{(manual import)}

-snip-

You can update this now, no need for manual import through the console/command.
Bitcoin Core version 23.0 now creates descriptor wallets with Taproot parent descriptors by default.

And it's now possible to request Bitcoin taproot "bech32m" address from the GUI's receive tab if the wallet has the parent descriptor:

Reference:

Quote from: achow101 on April 25, 2022, 09:18:16 AM

Wallet

Descriptor wallets are now the default wallet type. Newly created wallets
will use descriptors unless descriptors=false is set during createwallet, or
the Descriptor wallet checkbox is unchecked in the GUI.
Newly created descriptor wallets will contain an automatically generated tr()
descriptor which allows for creating single key Taproot receiving addresses.

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I think your list has to stick to popular and reviewed wallets that support Taproot instead of any random low quality ones that add the support. Or at least clarify that your list is not an endorsement of the said wallets. For example I took a quick look at Nunchuk and their repository doesn't look very active after 2 years and the wallet is definitely not popular. I don't think anybody has ever reviewed this.

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Quote from: SFR10 on April 29, 2022, 09:47:12 AM

Earlier this month, "Nunchuk" also added support for Taproot addresses:
^{- I only checked their Android app, but it's not limited to that OS + it's still in beta mode!}

I added Nunchuk wallet and updated the list, thanks to SFR10 for posting his suggestion.
I noticed this wallet some time ago and it has some interesting features, but I never managed to test it myself so far, but I downloaded it now.
Interesting feature that is offering is Air-gapped signing, and no single points of failure, but I am not sure how exactly that works.

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Earlier this month, "Nunchuk" also added support for Taproot addresses:
^{- I only checked their Android app, but it's not limited to that OS + it's still in beta mode!}

Not sure if the above lists are limited to SW and HW wallets only, but there are also a couple of web wallets ^{[Bitnob and BitGo]} with Taproot support.

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List of wallets is updated today.
BitBox02 is third hardware wallet that is now officially supporting Taproot addresses after updating to latest firmware v9.10.0 and app version 4.32.0.
This was expected update for me after Trezor released their support, knowing that Bitbox is based on modified Trezor code, but it's nice to see more wallets that support Taproot.
You can see more details about this update ontheir blog page, and inspect open source code on their github page:

https://shiftcrypto.ch/blog/bitbox-03-2022-glaernisch-update/
https://github.com/digitalbitbox/bitbox02-firmware/releases

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