Topic: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. (Read 6725 times)

These calculations are theoretical. In practice, many merit sent by sources of merit do not receive further movement. Therefore, far from all the merit sent by merit sources goes the full path. This happens for various reasons, inactive users, bans, users who do not want to give away, etc.

But if at least half of these merits travel the full path, it will already be very good. 

The end of the month and I was empty:



Now the "beggar" week is ahead.


fillippone has bypassed everyone here, well, what is it.  



The difference is 60 merit, let's see how Coin-1 will distribute the positions in the ranking.  

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Generated 34 000 merit, and distributed only ~26 000 merit.

I don't know if this thread is still active but I'll love to indicate my interest of getting some additional source smerits if such discussion comes on board in the future. I think I didn't receive extra source merit when that was done last, I wasn't active on the meta board to indicate interest if that was how it was done but just want to indicate interest on time now Incase the issue araise in future. Thanks.

Yeah I have done the same strategie….

Works fine imo

Call me "lazy" if you must.  I would like to call it "pacing" myself or some other more positive way of framing the matter..

I will admit that I did front run mine too a wee bit, too.. and I consider value in some of the front running (not just getting the balance off the books)... but I did not consider front running to be so valuable as to cause me to want to blow the whole wadd...

Yeah.. whatever, whatever, whatever, they be coming back in 30 days... no big deal, right?

For sure, a goal of using all the source quantity in 30 days and achieving it would be maximizing the allocation and reallocation, but without being out of smerits... there is likely still a bit of marginal distribution benefits to the forum to have the smerits distributed more quickly.. but I find 30 days to be a kind of rounding error in the whole balancing of matters.  


100 probably generates 96 more for a total of 196 coming from 100.

Edit.. whatever.. you "actual use of maths" guys made the point way better than my lame pointing out.. and I really don't get the infinite point.. because fractions below 1 do not really matter.. in terms of needing to have two .5s to make a 1 to even be able to spend it... but maybe some other point is being made in regards to infinite.

Edit #2.. Ok... I reread my above thoughts on the infinite matter, and sure, I guess that it is making some sense because there will be a lot of smerits that are generated at the .5 smerit threshold, and merely waiting for the other .5 smerits in order to make them spendable.... so that bank of potential all count in some kind of theoretical way (but also in a kind of real way, too).. event though they cannot be spent in a kind of infinite way... of getting smaller and smaller and smaller even while they are just not realized until getting their other .5 smerit match.. so if that unspendableness of the .5 smerit does seem to move it from the theoretical infinite to the actually not infinite category.... but a mere ball of unrealized (but possibly realizable) potentiality in the forum.

Oh, where are merits when you need those!
Please someone merit this man.

While I suspect 167 is a typo, your objection on the infinite serie is actually correct. Maybe at a “forum level” as our computation don’t account for “half merits” that get “lost” at individual level.

Your math is wrong. The numbers you have given add up to 197, not 167.

Regardless, 100 merit fully distributed generates 100 more smerit. Since each 1 merit generates 0.5 smerit, you an create a simple infinite series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF

100 merit given generates 50 (100/2) smerit.
50 merit given generates 25 (100/4) smerit.
25 merit given generates 12.5 (100/8) smerit.

Create the infinite series:

100/2 + 100/4 + 100/8 + 100/16 + 100/32 + ...

As the the merit is fully distributed, then the sum of the series converges on 100.

Just because if I give you 25 merit you only gain 12 smerit, doesn't mean the 0.5 is wasted. It is still applied to your account and waits for you to earn another 1 merit/0.5 smerit to then be available to spend, so you cannot disregard it from your calculation when considering merit being fully distributed.

I make the best case scenario for 100 to be 197 tricked down (100+50+25+12+6+3+1), and 34K to turn into 67.995 at best.
Edit: Lapsus plumae between 6 and 9 ...

Personally, I’ve neglected in hitting the right awarding tone in terms of amount per TX. I presumed my initial pace was good enough to empty out my allowance with 2 sMerits per TXs on average, but seeing that there is now less than a week to complete the cycle, and still plenty in stock, I should probably rethink my initial plan. Of course, I’m now finding less posts to merit than a couple of weeks ago, so that didn’t help me to stay on course … I’m therefore on the "lazy" end.

As someone said, it will take a few months for every MS to adjust their pace: you and me were front running our allocation, while other may be on the opposti being “lazy”.
 On the other hands, the important thing is those merits will trickle down the forum: when a MS sends 100 merits, it would be disappointing seeing 100 merits circulation in the forum, as those merits generate others (up to 196 if I am not wrong…). Try to apply this computation for the 34k…

Coincidence!
The chart is updated real time, and that number is only caused by the merit I gather and I immediately send away.
Next couple of merit I receive, leet is gone!

Also, I've just noticed this, but is it a coincidence that your spent merit has landed on "1337" or are you showing off?

Probably an effort from theymos to encourage users to use more merits per post, rather than spreading out their merit more. That's only an assumption on my behalf though. I'm expecting those who had their merit source increased, will get that amount back within the 30 days that they spent it. Judging by the sent merits, either not a lot of merit sources had theirs increased to the 1000 or they just haven't got through them. 

Dang, bro--I didn't even realize you'd received that many merits.  That's one hell of an accomplishment (and you deserve it)!

I don't quite fully understand what Theymos did with his last change to the merit system and source's monthly allocations, but I'm assuming my sMerits will be at least partially replenished next month at some point.  I've used up most of the 1000 that got airdropped to me, but fortunately I still have over 100 left and have some earned ones as well.  You, I'm sure, have plenty of earned sMerits at your disposal and there's nothing wrong with using them up if need be.

I had that problem for a while, and somehow it suddenly turned into a situation where I kept running low on both source and earned sMerits, which is why I was begging Theymos to increase my allocation.  Hopefully that won't happen again for however long I'm a merit source.

If anyone is worried about not meriting posts that they've read already, but refrained giving merit because of following this guideline, then just put them into a text document, and review them at the end of the month. Any sMerit you have used then, could potentially be used to merit these posts that you have missed. Also, you could use the following months merit allocation to make up for these lost posts. You could alternatively just work on a backlog, and award the posts in your file you found the day before.

True. Then just send a tad more each day (after the first month). I used to keep my source as close to 0 as possible, which means I used "my own" sMerit once in a while too.
Lately though, I haven't been able to empty my source, so "my own" sMerits are piling up to ridiculous heights too.

This is a very sensible suggestion. Nothing less I could expect from an AI.
Of course you know things are a little bit more complicated as doing so I would deplete my MS allowance, but the received sMerits stash would grow uncontrolled (this stash grow with a not forecastable pace)
But of course yes, smoothing is the name of the game.

Might I suggest trying to send 1/30th of your source each day, so they replenish at a regular interval 30 days later?

Wow! That has been an hell of a ride!
I guess I have to adapt to the new allowance:



I am waiting for next month update by @Coin-1 to see the full chart… even if this looks promising.

Oh yes, I understand theymos hand picks MS, what I meant is this reshuffle implied a lot of selections manually by himself.
What I understood from last time is that MS allowances were to be adjusted using some sort of algorithm. But since I was expecting a semi yearly automatic adjustment, while we got a manual adjustment after two years, probably it is just me but understanding.

We have been heard

Thx

Yes, Theymos hand picks the merit sources, likely with input from the community. I applied to be a merit source and was accepted once Vod was removed from being a source (IIRC, a few others were appointed as a merit source at the same time). I was initially given an allocation of 50 sMerit per month, but this was increased to 100 when Theymos recalculated source sMerit based on how much merit each source had recently sent.

My source sMerit is often empty but I am not active as much as I was in the past, so sometimes my source sMerit will refill and it might be some number of days before I can find posts to spend it on.