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September 12, 2019, 01:35:00 AM
How could they steal something that was already stolen?
Ahahahaha.....crazy scam defender like his friend Vadi2323 - troll from Livecoin  Grin

Believing that the sale of something that does not exist is not theft

They so actively trying to protect scammers that it is already getting ridiculous
legendary
Activity: 2982
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September 11, 2019, 12:48:31 AM
But they continued to allow deposits without means to withdraw which only allowed people to dump at that low price which makes them thiefs.

They didn't though... Same thing with MONA. They shut down deposits and withdrawals after they got hacked.

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11240/monero-wallet-in-livecoin-net

When they found out about the  XMR coin duplication bug, they should've shut down the   XMR exchange from their website. 

They continued to allow people to trade  Monero (xmr) with BTC, USD   but didn't allow  XMR withdrawl. 

They were hoping for compensation from the Monero devs, which never came. That's why they left trading open. Not necessarily the best plan, but that's what happened.

The we waited, the conversion rate become more ridiculous.      They had intentions to steal our XMR  and  they ended up stealing our assets.

How could they steal something that was already stolen?
newbie
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September 11, 2019, 12:23:38 AM
When they found out about the  XMR coin duplication bug, they should've shut down the   XMR exchange from their website. 

They continued to allow people to trade  Monero (xmr) with BTC, USD   but didn't allow  XMR withdrawl. 


Once people realized that  livecoin.net wasn't going to resolve this issue and bring the wallet back online,  people had to convert their XMR  into BTC or USD   for  20~90%  cheaper  than what they were worth at the time.   So people continued to wait because they couldn't just lose 20 ~90% of their money for no reason.   

The we waited, the conversion rate become more ridiculous.      They had intentions to steal our XMR  and  they ended up stealing our assets.


T H I E F S !!!!!!


Where are they located? what is their address and phone number?   I asked for these information but Livecoin.net  refused to answer my  questions. 


Does anybody know about their information?  Please start a lawsuit and I will join you.

legendary
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September 10, 2019, 10:23:28 AM
Even though it is painfully obvious they are theifs.

They were taken advantage of thanks to an exploit in Monero's code, which was patched shortly afterward:

https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/08/05/monero-wallet-vulnerability-loss-of-1-8-million-to-livecoin-crypto-exchange/

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/08/02/monero-bugs-patched/

They are not thieves. They had their Monero stolen, and socialized the losses by attempting to do a buyback of outstanding XMR before the final delisting.

Yes, of course ideally they should have credited all their customers with the missing XMR, but they felt the problem wasn't their fault, and was the fault of the Monero devs. Not saying I'm agreeing with the way they went about things, but they are not "thieves."

If they had posted that they were going to take this action and then people complained i would say they were justified.

But they continued to allow deposits without means to withdraw which only allowed people to dump at that low price which makes them thiefs.

Its pretty cut and dry.
legendary
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September 09, 2019, 11:59:58 PM
Even though it is painfully obvious they are theifs.

They were taken advantage of thanks to an exploit in Monero's code, which was patched shortly afterward:

https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/08/05/monero-wallet-vulnerability-loss-of-1-8-million-to-livecoin-crypto-exchange/

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/08/02/monero-bugs-patched/

They are not thieves. They had their Monero stolen, and socialized the losses by attempting to do a buyback of outstanding XMR before the final delisting.

Yes, of course ideally they should have credited all their customers with the missing XMR, but they felt the problem wasn't their fault, and was the fault of the Monero devs. Not saying I'm agreeing with the way they went about things, but they are not "thieves."
legendary
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September 09, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
OMG  They stole   my MONERO           When you delist a coin, you have to give them back to the owners.     They simply just took our XMR. 

They stole  more than 14,000 USD  from me.      I've captured images  a couple of days before they delist and took our XMR. 

Take a look at how the price of XMR dropped over the period of time.   Also,  take a look at the highlighted Amount of  982.32 XMR.

That is a huge number of XMR  registered to suck up all XMR  at an incredibly cheap price.     

We can all tell that  that attempt to buy XMR at such a low cost  was not a real person.  That is  Livecoin  trying to legally steal your coins. 

Then after delisting  XMR ,  they really  stole our coins  ILLEGALLY.

I asked for their street address and phone number/ CEO's information but they are not answering my tickets anymore.      How can they get away with this?   This is a big time theft!!   
Somebody need to file a lawsuit against them.   







You should start a different scam thread and add another Scammer tag ion their 2 accounts. The more the better as they have been trying to get the scammer tag removed and are still paying people to advertise here. Add all the proof you have in that thread as well as you have added no ac tual proof in this post. Even though it is painfully obvious they are theifs.





newbie
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September 09, 2019, 10:58:50 PM
OMG  They stole   my MONERO           When you delist a coin, you have to give them back to the owners.     They simply just took our XMR. 

They stole  more than 14,000 USD  from me.      I've captured images  a couple of days before they delist and took our XMR. 

Take a look at how the price of XMR dropped over the period of time.   Also,  take a look at the highlighted Amount of  982.32 XMR.

That is a huge number of XMR  registered to suck up all XMR  at an incredibly cheap price.     

We can all tell that  that attempt to buy XMR at such a low cost  was not a real person.  That is  Livecoin  trying to legally steal your coins. 

Then after delisting  XMR ,  they really  stole our coins  ILLEGALLY.

I asked for their street address and phone number/ CEO's information but they are not answering my tickets anymore.      How can they get away with this?   This is a big time theft!!   
Somebody need to file a lawsuit against them.   


https://imgur.com/IinHtYy


https://imgur.com/zCdGWmv
full member
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September 03, 2019, 05:50:08 AM
What makes you think that I would ever deal with you in the first place? I have exactly the same fillings about you.
Of course, I have no doubt about it, because I criticize the scam on which you earn  Cheesy
Come on, recently they have deceived even more people, after delisting Monero, and you can continue to advertise them further!
legendary
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September 02, 2019, 05:59:32 AM
...you can wear any signature, this is your choice...

Of course, it is but thanks for reminding me about this.

...when I see your signature, you are the same scammer like livecoin to me and I will never deal with you...

What makes you think that I would ever deal with you in the first place? I have exactly the same fillings about you.

I am out of here.
legendary
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August 29, 2019, 09:50:46 AM
Almost all that we are advertising here on Bitcointalk is not legal, half legal, registered in tax heavens, has no licenses, fake licenses in gambling heavens, there are multiple scam accusations against.
It seems like a pathetic attempt to help his reputation. Not a problem, you can wear any signature, this is your choice. But when I see your signature, you are the same scammer like livecoin to me and I will never deal with you

If I wasn't out of merit i would merit this. Smiley


BTW just to help your English, when you say "his" you should use "Their".
full member
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August 28, 2019, 09:43:46 PM
Almost all that we are advertising here on Bitcointalk is not legal, half legal, registered in tax heavens, has no licenses, fake licenses in gambling heavens, there are multiple scam accusations against.
It seems like a pathetic attempt to help his reputation. Not a problem, you can wear any signature, this is your choice. But when I see your signature, you are the same scammer like livecoin to me and I will never deal with you
legendary
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August 28, 2019, 11:54:05 AM
So its agreed that this exchange is not to be trusted yet your still shilling it?

No, we agreed that the flag was not removed only the support for it because of mistake. Has nothing to do if I believe Livecoinis a scam.

I have told already:

...If you ask me "is Livecoin exchange safe to use?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange". If you ask me: "is Livecoin a scam?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange"...

Please read the thread before jumping into commenting.

Additionally, you are accusing me to be a shill of Livecoin which is in your opinion a scam. When I look at your signature I see that you are promoting Bitsler, so as always I made a very quick search on Google using the query: Bitsler + scam, look how many scam accusations against Bitssler I found only on half of the first page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-scam-confirmed-1000-2180191  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM1qlmns50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb7qIgXIIm4
http://bittrust.org/bitsler
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-is-scam-3262442
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitslerwin-scam-1582471
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-scam-no-reason-no-replay-2353070

This is only a small part of scam accusations found immediately in the first couple of links. I don't know if they are legit or not, but this is the best example that one and very complicated support issue, like in Livecoin case is not enough to call it a scam and if yes it is enough then be honest and call all scammers by the name and stop promoting them.

Almost all that we are advertising here on Bitcointalk is not legal, half legal, registered in tax heavens, has no licenses, fake licenses in gambling heavens, there are multiple scam accusations against.

The only solution would be to stop all campaigns.

Do you really want that to happen?



I've checked every Bitsler accusation and found none credible. I actually researched for 6 months (and didn't join any as they all were sketchy) before deciding this one was legit. If there is a scam flag opened and supported against it I will immediately remove my advertisement as my word means something.

Apparently yours doesn't.
legendary
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August 28, 2019, 03:41:21 AM
So its agreed that this exchange is not to be trusted yet your still shilling it?

No, we agreed that the flag was not removed only the support for it because of mistake. Has nothing to do if I believe Livecoinis a scam.

I have told already:

...If you ask me "is Livecoin exchange safe to use?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange". If you ask me: "is Livecoin a scam?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange"...

Please read the thread before jumping into commenting.

Additionally, you are accusing me to be a shill of Livecoin which is in your opinion a scam. When I look at your signature I see that you are promoting Bitsler, so as always I made a very quick search on Google using the query: Bitsler + scam, look how many scam accusations against Bitssler I found only on half of the first page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-scam-confirmed-1000-2180191  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM1qlmns50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb7qIgXIIm4
http://bittrust.org/bitsler
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-is-scam-3262442
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitslerwin-scam-1582471
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-scam-no-reason-no-replay-2353070

This is only a small part of scam accusations found immediately in the first couple of links. I don't know if they are legit or not, but this is the best example that one and very complicated support issue, like in Livecoin case is not enough to call it a scam and if yes it is enough then be honest and call all scammers by the name and stop promoting them.

Almost all that we are advertising here on Bitcointalk is not legal, half legal, registered in tax heavens, has no licenses, fake licenses in gambling heavens, there are multiple scam accusations against.

The only solution would be to stop all campaigns.

Do you really want that to happen?

legendary
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August 28, 2019, 01:36:50 AM

OP explained already a few posts above this misunderstanding. Not the flag but support was mistakenly removed. Anyways thanks for the update.

...There was never a second flag...I removed the support of my flag...it was some kind of mistake...accidentally clicked to "cancel support", or something else, while studying the trust system...

So its agreed that this exchange is not to be trusted yet your still shilling it?
legendary
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August 27, 2019, 03:12:13 AM

OP explained already a few posts above this misunderstanding. Not the flag but support was mistakenly removed. Anyways thanks for the update.

...There was never a second flag...I removed the support of my flag...it was some kind of mistake...accidentally clicked to "cancel support", or something else, while studying the trust system...
legendary
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August 27, 2019, 02:49:58 AM
BTW I still don't consider them a "scam exchange," but at this point I would say they do have questionable ethics.

Even after their Monero scam?

Perhaps poor judgment on behalf of Livecoin to not attempt to better reimburse their affected customers, but not a scam. This issue has been rehashed several times already, I'm not going through it again.
legendary
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August 27, 2019, 02:33:44 AM
BTW I still don't consider them a "scam exchange," but at this point I would say they do have questionable ethics.

Even after their Monero scam?

The flag created by Izormood was removed and he got his account back. All the reasons for the flag dropped in my opinion. Additionally, this scam accusation should be taken as a support issue because only one very complicated case is not enough to call such a big exchange with thousands of happy customers a scam (in my opinion of course).

It hasn't been removed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=308

jr. member
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August 26, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
Start a flag and maybe you will get support, apparently that is the only way.

Can this somehow help me when there are already 2 flags?
legendary
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August 26, 2019, 10:10:36 AM
Three days ago i decided to step out of Mona Coins with more than 50% of los. After logging into my account on the exchange, I saw a message about delisting and that I need to withdraw my coins and withdrawal function doesn’t work! Moreover, the price of coins in the exchange is below market price by more than four times!



I sent a message to the tech support, and they told me to talk about this problem with the developer. “Great”, was my first thought. They claim that coins were stolen from them during the attack on the blockchain, but how is that possible? They are saying that fake coins were deposited on their exchange, and real coins were withdrawn. Maybe that is possible, but this is bullshit, what kind of moron would do that? Let’s assume that I'm the person that attacks this exchange. I bought a large amount of hashing power to have an advantage in making a decision about which blocks would be included in the chain. I deny some kind of transaction and redirect it to the Livecoin (creating false chain), and then I'm moving these coins to my address. However, I need the real network to add this transaction into the block. In this case there is a risk that it will reject all the false chains that I have created previously with the withdrawals from the exchange. Therefore, no one will do that, everything that is ever been deposited will be sold for btc or any other high - profile asset and withdrawn later. This means, that the exchange should have the coins, but doesn’t want to give them away or they do not have the coins, but not because they were stolen.

I totally agree that the exchange is fully responsible for their users’ money and should be solely responsible to have a good security system in place. I do not consider statements that it’s the “developers fault” to be fair, because there was no network hacking, as the exchange claimed. There was a fraud, based on the specifics of its operations. According to the news, the total losses were $90000, and there is no information abut losses of the livecoin exchange. Let’s assume that $90000 is worth 8.57btc at this time. This amount is not high enough for the exchange to try and dump their fault on someone else.

So, why you’ve been selling “air” for over a year, if you knew that user’s coins were stolen? The turnover of this coin was 40btc in June, and you made 0.04btc. In the whole year you've made between 0.5 - 1 btc. It's if we were to believe that the coins were really stolen from you. What if you took advantage of this situation and bought coins from your users cheap, and then sold them on bittrex to cover up another issue you’ve had? I hope it s not true.

Please withdraw my coins or compensate me for their purchase price!

All the reasons for the flag dropped in my opinion. Additionally, this scam accusation should be taken as a support issue because only one very complicated case is not enough to call such a big exchange with thousands of happy customers a scam (in my opinion of course).
If this exchange is so good, then where are my Mona Coins?!!!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51919311

Start a flag and maybe you will get support, apparently that is the only way.
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August 26, 2019, 08:12:49 AM
...What if he is acting like this because they stole mona coins from their users and now trying to steal monero?...

As I told you already, please stick to the facts and answer questions.

Your case has nothing to do with monero and your English sometimes is good and another time is hard to understand what you are talking about.

Looks like two different persons.

...I don’t understand what do you mean by saying “the flag was withdrawn”...

The first flag was withdrawn but you told that this was made by mistake. So I, ask you how this happened and why you created the second flag if Livecoin unblocked your account is working with you to resolve this issue?


Sorry, I'm trying to speak as accessible as possible. I do not understand what is at stake. There was never a second flag, he was always be alone. If you mean that I removed the support of my flag once, then it was some kind of mistake I already wrote about it. I apparently accidentally clicked to "cancel support", or something else, while studying the trust system, or browsing people's accounts who's support or opposite this flag.

the situation with mona is exactly the same, or prove the opposite
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