Topic: Livecoin.net Scam - page 6. (Read 13668 times)

What I asked you is about Monero. Why you judge them have intention to steal Monero coins from their users? Delisting without announcement? Don't allow withdrawals before delisting?
I don't dig in past story to see what happen with your Monacoin, but judged them scam by delisting Monero is unfair
10 days is not a good long period, but is not a short one. If exchange feel risks of further attacks, for known reasons, it is risky to let it opened to attackers for too long, imo.

Here, when forum ask 1 merit to become Junior member without pre-announcement. Bounty hunters likely lost their money from tokens in campaign they joined. Do you call that is a scam forum?

As I told you already, please, stick to the facts and answer questions.

Your case has nothing to do with monero and your English sometimes is good and another time is hard to understand what you are talking about.

Looks like two different persons.


The first flag was withdrawn but you told that this was made by mistake. So I asked you how this happened and why you created the second flag if Livecoin unblocked your account and is working with you to resolve this issue?

PS
Don't forget about other unanswered questions from members like @Hhampuz.

The withdrawals is closed, you can only sell at a price over 16 times lower than the market! The situation is similar to a mona coin!

They lost coins through their own fault, then traded on the air for more than a year, received commissions, and withdrawals were closed all this time. And when people began to resent, they delisted Monero. So it was with the coin mona

What did you imply by writing "steal Monero"? From what I read, Livecoin do provide days to withdraw Monero from their platforms. The case of Monero is totally different from Monacoin.
https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/304
Did you call Bittrex as a scam exchange by their KYC requirement and did not give customers time to withdraw money if they don't want to do KYCs on Bittrex?

How can I talk calmly if they was blackmail me for a month, and then they stole my Mona coins?

I don’t understand what do you mean by saying “the flag was withdrawn”. What if he is acting like this because they stole mona coins from their users and now trying to steal monero?

Again, I don't understand what are you implying because I just quoted the whole sentence, only in three parts to make everything clear and to comment correctly.

I always try to be honest and never use such a shady practice, as to cut sentences in the quotes to change the meaning of your words. I have never done it before and will never do it in the future.
 
I stick to the facts and try to be polite and calm. I would advise you to do this same.


If you can, please, answer my questions.

I would like to withdrawals, look at the status in the screenshot.

Why didn’t you show the full message?

it is you trying to imply me, i said what I can’t withdrawals, but you say that I can do whatever I want

From what I have read Livecoin granted you access to the account and possibility to do whatever you like with the Mona coins and other holdings.


But there were problems with the Mona chain and you were not able to withdraw. If you are telling the truth and I have understood it correctly of course.


Additionally, Livecoin is still open to assist you and to your suggestions, despite they don't have to but try to do all what possible to resolve that support issue.


That all quoted above are your words so what are you trying to imply me here?

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Sorry, I don't know your case so I can't comment on your question or provide any useful answer. Just wanted to let you know.

Realy?   They was give me possibility to withdraw my MONA coins? When? I do not know that

If this exchange is so good, then where are my Mona Coins?!!!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51919311

It doesn't make exchange any less accountable.

I did the exact same thing and after I was accepted to the new Livecoin campaign I have removed myself. Now the narrative will change because of the reasons.

I understand that you were afraid that Livecoin Manager will not pay because there was no confirmation from officials: and you thought that everybody is doing this only for the money:  There are more such comments in this thread, that we are doing this only for the money and this will kill our reputation (advertising obvious scam for incentive), which I can understand to some extent, but despite everything and obvious threats:   I decided to wear the Livecoin signature without incentive for 3 weeks, only to show my support and back up my claims. To be exact that was a month, taking into consideration a couple of days in first and the last week. After this time, I applied one more time and was accepted again.

I participated in the first edition of Livecoin campaign and was in opposition to the first flag created by Izormood. Commented a few times in the accusation threads to support Livecoin exchange and show my point of few. I keep using Livecoin exchange until today frequently and never had a single problem. The flag created by Izormood was removed and he got his account back. All the reasons for the flag dropped in my opinion. Additionally, this scam accusation should be taken as a support issue because only one very complicated case is not enough to call such a big exchange with thousands of happy customers a scam (in my opinion of course).

But this accusation case is all about opinions and point of view. In my opinion, Livecoin Exchange hasn't scammed Izoormod and that was a support issue which escalated too much.
I found multiple complains about all crypto exchanges. This is enough, to use Google and search for query: "name of exchange + scam". All biggest exchanges are accused, by random users across all available social media channels for multiple cases of abuse and obvious scam tactics. From failed KYC, blocked accounts by AML, to lost deposits and withdrawals, lost altcoins in a mysterious way, etc. I think I found all types of accusations possible.

I know that now I will hear the accusation about shady TOS regulations but all exchanges have such Terms of Service. Better or worse, they are hidden between complex industry specificities, to mislead users or put there in the hope, that they will not understand it completely or never read it in the first place. This Livecoin TOS are there from the very beginning and one has, to agree with them when signing up. In every wallet software where I have found and read the TOS, I have seen point stating "this is experimental software and the creators take no responsibility for losses which it could create" or something similar.

If you ask me "is Livecoin exchange safe to use?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange". If you ask me: "is Livecoin a scam?", I would answer: "just like any other not regulated exchange".

At the start of Bitcoin, there were only not regulated exchanges and Livecoin was one of them. So many are already dead but Livecoin is still operating and have thousands of happy clients every day.
One has to know how to stay safe on such not regulated exchange and I try to share this knowledge whenever I can on the forum. I create special threads and keep repeating that you can't hold coins there for 2 years and should always triple check everything. I think that this is exactly what we should do. Not to scare people off from an exchange because of this case, only educate them on how to stay safe there. If I am able to trade there, sometimes with significant amounts and stay safe, then everybody can. Or just use a regulated exchange, where you will be able to open a court case if something goes wrong. Don't use unregulated exchanges if you don't have enough knowledge about them or accept your losses. I always made an extended investigation, when I used any new regulated or not exchange and I am talking here about days of investigation, which ended always with multiple withdrawals, deposits, trades checks before I decided to trade there, with slightly higher amounts.

Despite flags and broken reputation, Livecoin granted OP access to his account and the possibility to withdraw coins so I wonder why the second flag?

The first flag was withdrawn because of mistake? Common another coincidence in this very suspicious case, which divided the community?

Well, actually from the bottom of crypto/blockchain/decentralisation- hearts, one of the key-aspects is to hand out full control (and thus responsibility) into our hands so that we do not need any middleman (e.g. banks) to take care for our hard earned money (f.e.).

I get the impression that those core fundamentals still did not arrive to the people´s minds (I include myself into that)

Don´t get me wrong I still don´t endorse their TOS and/or behaviour against customers, that´s on an other sheet of paper ofc.

I did not attach any importance to this, because every day some wallets go for maintenance

Your reasoning is rather strange and similar to the fact that the exchange can do anything, and the user must think about everything himself

But how do you know it was turned off when you bought the mona? You said that once you figured out that you could not withdraw it had gone from 0.3BTC to 0.02BTC, if you knew that it was turned off once you bought it (which you claim), it seems quite stupid to just leave the coins there, no? Or was the price difference so huge on the buy/sell side when you bought it (without wondering why?) and you still thought it to be a good idea?

wallet was turned off

Que?

Good luck you too, you will need when you protect scammers again

Also you can continue to rejoice that they stole my money and money other users, I do not mind

750 MONA * $1.45 = $1087.50 = 0.10788 BTC

So you're fighting for 0.08788 BTC, since you would have gotten 0.02 anyway. That's $887 in today's prices. You're going to take them to court for an extra $887? OK well, good luck to you. Obviously they're not giving you back your coins.


Exactly my point.

BTW I still don't consider them a "scam exchange," but at this point I would say they do have questionable ethics.

Even if you do take them to court, the judge may rule their TOS cover their decision.

People on the forum can play lawyer all day long but nobody really knows until a judge rules on the matter. There's not exactly a set precedent for this type of thing. Even if there was, Livecoin may not be in the jurisdiction of the precedent ruling.

I do not need the sympathy of the defenders of scam exchanges like you and vadi2323

If it comes to trial, I will return everything mona, not a miserable 0.02 btc

Why are you talking about buying shitcoins and not selling shitcoins on the exchange?

And this "shitcoin" is in the top 70 Coinmarcetcap.

lol, he was off