Topic: Lockdown easing - I'm back in the cafe - page 4. (Read 1549 times)

ventilators are specialist equipment
and yes when american hospitals ask a stupid ER doctor to spend a week in a ICU department and he does stupid stuff he gets reprimanded for it and told to get off the ward. (badecker referenced that stupidity in march)
but thats where hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed
as for the rush to buy/design new ventilators for the pandemic. they are not of low grade.
the reason for the redesign is because some of the usual ventilators are patent protected and can only be sourced from certain suppliers meaning expensive and limited supply.
so the government got companies like Dyson to look at the patent and then make certain tweaks that dont break the quality but do atleast get out of the licencing deal of the certain supplier.

the equipment is actually tested to higher standards in the UK than say other countries. so dont even try making it sound like the new vents are crap

however covid doesnt just drain people of oxygen due to clogged up lungs. it also causes other organ damage due to the strain the virus ravishes on the person. EG stresses the heart kidneys and liver. causes blood clots and all the bad stuff that comes with all of that.
meaning people need other treatments too not just oxygen therapy. and thats why the 'temporary' nightingale hospitals were not much success because they only consisted of a bed and a vent. so when patients bodies were strained with other issues triggered by the virus the vent by itself would not be good enough. so patients were redirected straight to proper hospitals for multiple treatments for all the stuff triggered by the virus
ecmo, dialyses, heart monitors, medications, nebulisers. and all the rest
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yes people already with heart conditions will have a strained heart even more when covid triggers. but even healthy people can strain their heart. yes diabetic people can get blood clots more due to covid. but even healthy people can get blood clots.
also emphasising venitlitors is not the first/only treatment
usually patients start by being given nebulised oxygen therapy via a cpap machine or just non-pressure oxygen through a mask/nose cannula. but yea if things get worse more treatment and more extremes are given.

but anyway.
hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed.
in 1989 there were 300k hospitals beds. but now there are way under 200k. yep less beds=less patients can be managed at once
the nurse to patient ratio has changed
the gold standard in 1967 was one nurse per patient. but this has changed alot
these days a general ward of 24 bed has just 2 nurses and 3 support staff =12:1 bed:nurse ratio
some specialist wards do have the 1nurse 1bed. but even doing the math of 2 shifts(night and day) the amount of nurses vs beds per shift is just too low to cope with any high peak situation

as for the nurses that are trained to a high enough standard to be 'multiskilled' and able to be reassigned to different wards when a need arises. this has fallen to just 60% of registered nurses. meaning

in 3 wards of 73 patients at peak. with 6 nurses(2 per ward) only 4 of them can be reassigned to the ICU ward to take care of the 24 most critical leaving only 2 nurses to look after the other 48 less critical patients
.. and its this that needs addressing the most

as for your playful admission of you not knowing anything
if you just stop loitering around cafe's looking at antivaxxer sites. and actually use your internet time wisely to search proper sites with proper information. you can find the real info.
it took me one google search to fact check the hospital capacity and staffing levels.. and just 4 minutes.
its not rocket science

The whole topic of ventilators is quite interesting. I gather most of the ventilators in use are pretty useless, and the staff don't know how to use them. The successful ones are extremely expensive, and monitor the patient constantly, and make frequent micro adjustments. Operating them is a skilled and time consuming job, and this is why there aren't many of them. It's a last resort treatment as well. All of the ventilators that governments have been buying for the panicdemic are low grade, and are more likely to cause death rather than curing the patient.

But what do I know - I'm one of those nuts who believes that it is better to eat stinging nettles, dandelions and thistle roots to avoid illness, and that injecting disease into one's arm is stupidity.

The Covid virus has already spread around the world through the atmosphere, inside water droplets. Almost everybody has it. Those who are going to get sick from it, have already done so. The rest of us have Coronavirus (common cold) immunity that has tweaked itself to resist Covid. The whole Covid thing is done and over with... except for a few places that are far away from populated centers.

What's really interesting is that you don't seem to have any credentials, and you seem to have all kinds of knowledge, yet you want to claim that other people don't have knowledge.

What? Do you think you are god or something?

Doctors don't grab anybody off the streets, randomly or not. Totally irrelevant.

Some doctors have found that Covid patients don't need ventilators at all. Many patients who were placed into a coma and ventilated, died. We can see that it was the ventilators that killed them, because people in similar condition and simply given oxygen with a mask lived.

The point isn't about people who need ventilators. The point is about those who don't need them, yet are subject to them, and die from them.

A second point is that you attempt to twist the whole language to make points that irrelvant to the conversation, as though they were relevant to the conversation.

If we were talking about painting the car blue, you would say that you wanted the garage painted red.

1. presuming everyone 'came from home so virus free' is not logical or even common sense
people might have just finished work at a hospital where they had sick people coughing on them. many might have got off a plane and restocking their fridge after being away, many might have been home but have a sick person at home and the one going to the store is the only one available after being coughed on
heck they might even be supermarket tourists like yourself and its not the first shop they been to that morning

2. when a cafe has half as many tables as it usually does they they have to be more careful about loiterers just using up the space especially if its one person taking up a 4seat table. it doesnt matter if at that precise instant the cafe was quiet. they dont know when a sudden rush of people wanting a breakfast might come in. and they dont want to suddenly have to rush around trying to get you to move while also having the sudden rush to handle aswell. so yea they are pre-empting a rush and handling it while quiet
they would rather have an empty table for 4 potential patrons to buy 4 breakfasts. than one loiterer not even buying a coffee

3. its still good advice to only go to shops when really needed and not be a shop tourist jumping from one shop to another to another just for internet, i mean, your on a mobile phone. you dont need to be sat down especially in a cafe where you are not even buying a coffee. thats just pushing your luck
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come on
for someone that says that people should help the economy. your hijacking free internet and not buying a coffee.. not very inspiring to tell others to do things you dont even do yourself

for someone that wants other people to go around and hug strangers. why be so helpful to your friend by doing things for them instead of motivating them to get their own cat food and hug random people
again. why are you saying to do things you are now revealing you dont do yourself

it seems you love to shout out scripts of stuff anti-vaxxers are campaigning for. but without understanding what they are campaigning for and without actually doing it yourself. heck its like your on autopilot just repeating conspiracy sites without thinking

so here is a plan
before trying to get the rest of the world sick. if you think the virus is so fake go get your friend to risk her health first
before telling others to risk getting sick for the economy. how about you buy stuff first
or
come to your senses when suddenly your own advice impacts your own close friends.. where you suddenly accept that your advice is bad advice.. and realise that we know your all mouth and deep down you know the virus is a real health risk. but ur just upset that your lifestyle has to change to adapt to the risk

welcome to reality. everyones lifestyle has changed. even mine. i used to travel alot. but i aint even gonna risk going on a plane in a closed cylinder of hundreds of people breathing the same air for hours.. i aint that dumb. i adapt, skype is way cheaper then a plane ticket anyway

Well this morning was interesting. I arrived at Asda early (6 am ), and used the mobile to check on Bitcoin,and a few other things, including Bitcoin Talk. I didn't bother to reply to any threads, as they contain so many useless poster quotes and re-quotes that it is quite hard to read the threads on a mobile, and even harder to try to understand the replies. Why do people have to keep quoting posts in full to make a minor reply to one of the points? You wouldn't do it if you were in a group conversation would you? Can you imagine it? Fred said "blah blah" and George replied "do dah dah", then Susan qualified George with the comment "dah dah do". After you had said all that lot, you then say " I agree with Susan". I bet the next time you joined the group, they would all walk away from you.  Forums are really group discussions, so the same concepts apply. Anyway enough of that, and on to the main point of this post.

I had gone to Asda because my elderly friend wanted some cat food ( behave, it was for the cat ).By the time I had got to the cafe, it had been open for an hour or so. I moved towards one of the wall tables with bench seats, and was told I had to get a number. OK, so I went back and picked up a flag with number 19 ( my old house number in Walton-on-Thames ), and headed for the wall tables. There are 5 tables, and two of them are closed because of social distancing. A family was occupying one, one had just been vacated, and one was clear with a number flag on it. I was told I couldn't sit at that table, so I sat at one of the less comfortable central tables to wait for the central one to be cleared. Another staff member observed that I had to order my coffee at the till, and I said that I was waiting for one of the wall tables.I was then told that as I had sat down at the smaller table, I had to stay there, as customers aren't allow ro move. When I asked why I couldn't use the empty table, I was told that it was in its quarantine period. It seems that after a table has been cleared and sanitised, it can't be used for 10 minutes. At this point I got up and went to Morrison's yet again.

Now lets put this in perspective. Fewer than half of the customers in the main store were wearing face masks, and I didn't see any wearing gloves. A higher percentage of the staff were wearing masks or visors, and some were wearing gloves. Nobody seems to bother about the law of the land.  Customers block the entrance as they utilise the hand sanitised stations. This is after they have come from home, and got out of their cars, and one would presume they were virus free, The sanitiser stations at the exit are largely unused,as people seem to want to hang onto the viruses they have picked up in the lethally infected store. The use of face masks must be reducing, as there weren't as many as usual blowing around in the car park.

is a masseuse
she gets paid to give people massages.. not really what id call a experienced medical doctor nor one with much actual first hand knowledge of virology nor antibody nor any kind of epidemic

but i can now see why she likes to get paid just to touch people
$11 to watch a video on how to touch people.. hmm
pornhub can do a better job cheaper

it was comedy gold reading an article of hers
less than a year ago she wrte an article saying how in 2010 CDC started demanding all people of all ages healthy or the infirm to get their yearly flu shots. and was saying how she expects "That sounds like marching orders, and if you are not careful, you may end up being trampled by the hordes of people flocking to their doctor’s office, a pharmacy, a senior center or even grocery store to be inoculated and sent on their merry way."

funny part is when she wrote that in 2019 .. she obviously had 9 years of post knowledge to know that there was no trampling, hordes, flocks.. but even after 9 years of no evidence of any marching orders. she still wanted to make a scary illusion that its whats happening

anyway. she was never a ER doctor stitching up patients. she was a office dwelling back rubber. getting paid to go to meetings and conferences

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Sherri Tenpenny is an American osteopathic physician and anti-vaccination activist who supports the discredited hypothesis that vaccines cause autism.[1] She is the author of four books opposing vaccination, and her 2015 lecture tour of Australia was cancelled due to a public outcry over her views on vaccination, which go against the established scientific consensus. She has no advanced clinical or research specialization in immunology, vaccinology, or public health, nor has she ever published peer-reviewed research in any area related to vaccines or immunology.

hmm....

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Well it needs to protect itself against the crows, as I chucked it over the hedge.

This is natural, a mutation to emit ultraviolet light to protect itself and you against COVID. You may find yourself also glowing blue at night, but don't worry.

Why haven't you guys commented on my cod filet that emitted blue light in the dark?

I got some news for you.

Research is not YouTube.

As others have noted, you do shun reliable sources and you favor quack sites. I do like the fictional concept of the magical mystery nano-thermite being cast into the WTC and detonated decades later. How many other structures have this built in time bomb? Could it be that a COVID-exosome mutation actually caused the exosome-derived-nano-thermite accumulation in the world trade towers?

No you are not right, and you believe whackos "reports".

Isn't it true that most of what we are opinionated about comes to us at least second hand? So, what does it matter what you believe? What I believe is based on second hand things that I see and hear, just like you. Or were you digging around in the 9/11 debris where you got some samples that you analyzed?

Likewise, the subject of Covid is a subject that is probably second hand to you as well as to me. Or do you know everything by first-hand experience and examination?

What I mean is, I am right regarding both of them, Covid and 9/11, because I am relying on the reports. Or are you RIGHTER because you are relying on some other reports?

Don't tell me you do the research yourself, like franky1. Actually, if you DO do the research on Covid your actual self, I'd really like to know that. And I'd like to see your reports on Covid, to see if you follow Roberts' upgrade of Koch's Postulates.

Wow, was that right? I heard they found chips of red paint, and made themselves look totally ridiculous trying to embellish the story into a magical mystical compound.

But on the subject of COVID, you're going to be RIGHTER, Right? Righter than on your nana-thermite-cast-into-WTC concrete in 1976, waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...

Stephen Jones and a fellow researcher proved the existence of nano-thermite.

You should look up his theory of "nano thermite" being cast into the World Trade Towers concrete during the tower construction back in 1976, so that they could be BLOWN UP whenever the DEVIOUS FORCES decided to. It's a mythical compound, of course, but this gives him a platform to expound on with a subject.