Looks like master-P got me too who the hell can i trust here????????

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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 28, 2015, 03:35:31 PM

i think youre incapable of reading. that was his own coin he sold. the coins to pay campaign participants wee entrusted to the person currently behind the master-p account.

What's OP's job then? Why would he escrow the coins he's been entrusted to pay out? Doesn't trust himself?

Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 28, 2015, 03:36:33 PM

omg youre so retarded. I sold my own funds ive earned nothing to do with campaign funds at all. Dont come in here posting on this thread unless you have a clue what youre saying

zomg no u!!!11!
If you didn't lose the campaign funds, you got nothing to worry about, why even bring it up?

Most users on the forum dont join campaigns unless funds are safely escrowed with 1 of the top 5 guys on the forum, so they know that theyll get paid. Obviously we dont expect anyone to run off with the money but in this case it seems to have happened.

Im pretty sure with my reputation here i could have held the coins myself and been fine but ive always used master-P and hes always been a solid guy

I'm not reading though 6 pages of posts, so I'll just ask anyways:
Did you contact the campaign managers get? I'm not sure how they'll react but honestly someone has to take responsibility, and if its not master-p (although it seems more likely than not right now) it has to be the campaign manager or owner.

Read the post above yours. 2/3 campaigns i was managing have agreed to pay the campaigns out. The 3rd i have received no reply from so far. Iam and have been taking all the correct steps as a manager. My attitude during the beginning of this mess was questionable but i lost 1000$ personally in this mess so i hope you guys can understand my mind was in a pissed off place.

I am trying to get users paid though

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 28, 2015, 03:45:40 PM

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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 28, 2015, 03:35:31 PM

i think youre incapable of reading. that was his own coin he sold. the coins to pay campaign participants wee entrusted to the person currently behind the master-p account.

What's OP's job then? Why would he escrow the coins he's been entrusted to pay out? Doesn't trust himself?

Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 28, 2015, 03:36:33 PM

omg youre so retarded. I sold my own funds ive earned nothing to do with campaign funds at all. Dont come in here posting on this thread unless you have a clue what youre saying

zomg no u!!!11!
If you didn't lose the campaign funds, you got nothing to worry about, why even bring it up?

Most users on the forum dont join campaigns unless funds are safely escrowed with 1 of the top 5 guys on the forum, so they know that theyll get paid. Obviously we dont expect anyone to run off with the money but in this case it seems to have happened.

Im pretty sure with my reputation here i could have held the coins myself and been fine but ive always used master-P and hes always been a solid guy

I'm not reading though 6 pages of posts, so I'll just ask anyways:
Did you contact the campaign managers get? I'm not sure how they'll react but honestly someone has to take responsibility, and if its not master-p (although it seems more likely than not right now) it has to be the campaign manager or owner.

Edit: geez didn't see your replies above, lol. My message still replies if a campaign owner is not willing to cover up the funds.

If you still need an escrow, there are plenty on her (if master-p doesn't come back). LMK if you need any help.

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I have finally received mails from the owner of coinbet24 and from owner of ore mining. "Hmmm there are bad news. Did he steal all the sum?
Well, let's make a payments in the end of this period without any escrow" is from the owner of ore mining. can show the pm if needed but everyone will be paid who was in the campaign for this week. I will see if hes planning on continuing campaign for the entire term but this is positive for those who advertised for the past week.

Coinbet owner pmmed me and he will honor his payment term. He has also posted in the official campaign thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302647.40

Obits has however not replied to any messages as of yet. I will keep everyone posted but i cant promise anything

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locking this for now to await what the owners of the campaigns say if anything, and to prevent the useless arguing and witch hunting thats going on. will reopen when i have some answers

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This is to answer the "Who the hell can I trust here" part.

I'd say Ognasty. He's got a solid reputation.

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Quote from: errorcoin22 on December 29, 2015, 08:22:32 PM

^^
You'd have a great point if the begging was for a good cause -- curing cancer or saving puppies or getting some decent smack. It's not. It's for a shifty 'passive profits' web wallet/scammy cloud mining/gambling sites.
If you're running shit like that and you STILL have to beg, you're doing it fucking wrong Sad

On a more practical note, have the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents actually refuse to pay? If not, WTF is yahoo doing, and, if yes, lets give them some red trust, so that people would know them for the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments that they are.

Yeah, I agree but Yahoo hasn't taken any donations yet anyway. Have the campaign owners chimed in on this at all? I don't think the burden is on Yahoo at all; I'm just trying to help.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 29, 2015, 06:53:46 PM

Managers arent paid enough to assume responsibility of paying a campaign if the escrows takes off. Thats ridiculous to even consider. No matter whom chooses the escrow the escrow recieves the money. I never see it so i dont see where your logic makes any sense.

well then it's time for you to throw your employer(s) under the bus

please post a list of all your signature campaign "owners" who refuse to compensate their sig holders

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^^
You'd have a great point if the begging was for a good cause -- curing cancer or saving puppies or getting some decent smack. It's not. It's for a shifty 'passive profits' web wallet/scammy cloud mining/gambling sites.
If you're running shit like that and you STILL have to beg, you're doing it fucking wrong Sad

On a more practical note, have the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents actually refuse to pay? If not, WTF is yahoo doing, and, if yes, lets give them some red trust, so that people would know them for the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments that they are.

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yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

It's not his place to decide if the participants get paid. No more than it's my place to decide if they get paid.
It's not his place to insult the ~~spammers~~ participants for wanting the 'measly $5" that's owed them.
According to him, he's just a post-counting peon, never touches the money. Why the begging thread then?

@Quickseller: I'm not surprised. My creditors expect me to pay them, regardless of my getting robbed. I, in turn, expect the same from my debtors.

And where do you expect the funds will come from? From Master-P? He's gone or something to that nature.
What's wrong with the begging thread? yahoo62278 is going beyond of what is being expected from him so what is wrong with that?

The money would come from the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents, where it always (allegedly)comes from, where else?

>What's wrong with the begging thread?
Begging is not allowed on bitcointalk. It's one of the few stated rules here.

I don't see this as begging, and your complaints about this are probably going to fall on deaf ears given what happened. He's soliciting donations to try to right a wrong that was done to this community. If you can't be at least that flexible, I feel sorry for you. But as far as who should own the liability, it's whoever is paying the sig spammers. I agree with you on that.

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Quote from: lemipawa on December 29, 2015, 08:04:29 PM

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yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

It's not his place to decide if the participants get paid. No more than it's my place to decide if they get paid.
It's not his place to insult the ~~spammers~~ participants for wanting the 'measly $5" that's owed them.
According to him, he's just a post-counting peon, never touches the money. Why the begging thread then?

@Quickseller: I'm not surprised. My creditors expect me to pay them, regardless of my getting robbed. I, in turn, expect the same from my debtors.

And where do you expect the funds will come from? From Master-P? He's gone or something to that nature.
What's wrong with the begging thread? yahoo62278 is going beyond of what is being expected from him so what is wrong with that?

The money would come from the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents, where it always (allegedly) comes from, where else? Have you visited the Ore Mine website? ~~He's~~ They're totally huge bro, paying out thousands of BTC, according to ~~him~~ them! I'd think 1 BTC won't break them, especially since community-conscious yahoo will forfeit his cut for greater justice Undecided

>What's wrong with the begging thread?
Begging is not allowed on bitcointalk. It's one of the few stated rules here.

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Quote from: errorcoin22 on December 29, 2015, 07:52:51 PM

Quote from: lemipawa on December 29, 2015, 07:45:37 PM

yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

It's not his place to decide if the participants get paid. No more than it's my place to decide if they get paid.
It's not his place to insult the ~~spammers~~ participants for wanting the 'measly $5" that's owed them.
According to him, he's just a post-counting peon, never touches the money. Why the begging thread then?

@Quickseller: I'm not surprised. My creditors expect me to pay them, regardless of my getting robbed. I, in turn, expect the same from my debtors.

And where do you expect the funds will come from? From Master-P? He's gone or something to that nature.
What's wrong with the begging thread? yahoo62278 is going beyond of what is being expected from him so what is wrong with that?

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Quote from: lemipawa on December 29, 2015, 07:45:37 PM

yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

It's not his place to decide if the participants get paid. No more than it's my place to decide if they get paid.
It's not his place to insult the ~~spammers~~ participants for wanting the 'measly $5" that's owed them.
According to him, he's just a post-counting peon, never touches the money. Why the begging thread then?

@Quickseller: I'm not surprised. My creditors expect me to pay them, regardless of my getting robbed. I, in turn, expect the same from my debtors.
*I would also fire any employee who, unbeknownst to me, told my creditors to STFU about the 'measly' sums I owe them.

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[...] all parties to a transaction agreed to use a particular person as escrow.

No. Read the Coinbet sig thread. No mention of participants' pay depending on the escrow not running away. I expect to receive the wages promised me, unless the company employing me declares bankruptcy. Both the gambling site & the totally real ugaise cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operations claim to be doing just fine.

In the case of Coinbet, it would be coinbet that is responsible for making the payments as they would be the one who received the benefit of the signature advertising. The campaign manager is merely an employee

Fine. Who is behind Coinbet, let's paint their trust red.

I have no idea, however if the participants end up not receiving their payment, then they can open a scam accusation.

I can say that I have recently received my payment from the owner of the company behind my (previous) signature campaign whose funds were stolen by master-p

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yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

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yahoo62278 have you tried contacting the companies and seeing if they would still send payments for the campaigns?

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 29, 2015, 07:41:54 PM

Quote from: errorcoin22 on December 29, 2015, 07:36:10 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on December 29, 2015, 06:58:55 PM

[...] all parties to a transaction agreed to use a particular person as escrow.

No. Read the Coinbet sig thread. No mention of participants' pay depending on the escrow not running away. I expect to receive the wages promised me, unless the company employing me declares bankruptcy. Both the gambling site & the totally real ugaise cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operations claim to be doing just fine.

In the case of Coinbet, it would be coinbet that is responsible for making the payments as they would be the one who received the benefit of the signature advertising. The campaign manager is merely an employee

Fine. Who is behind Coinbet, let's paint their trust red. (have't checked the wording in his other thing, the cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operation. Doing that now.
Edit: Done. Same shit. Who's behind Ore mining? Let's paint their trust red.

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Quote from: errorcoin22 on December 29, 2015, 07:36:10 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on December 29, 2015, 06:58:55 PM

[...] all parties to a transaction agreed to use a particular person as escrow.

No. Read the Coinbet sig thread. No mention of participants' pay depending on the escrow not running away. I expect to receive the wages promised me, unless the company employing me declares bankruptcy. Both the gambling site & the totally real ugaise cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operations claim to be doing just fine.

In the case of Coinbet, it would be coinbet that is responsible for making the payments as they would be the one who received the benefit of the signature advertising. The campaign manager is merely an employee

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 29, 2015, 06:58:55 PM

[...] all parties to a transaction agreed to use a particular person as escrow.

No. Read the Coinbet sig thread. No mention of participants' pay depending on the escrow not running away. I expect to receive the wages promised me, unless the company employing me declares bankruptcy. Both the gambling site & the totally real ugaise cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operations claim to be doing just fine.

@madjules007: Begging for money is not, strictly, "by the book." Either OP or the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments he represents ripped off the ~~spammers~~campaign participants.

OP didn't incur any spam-related losses. He lost the coin he was selling (@+10% lol).
The ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments he represents incur any losses.
The ~~spammers~~campaign participants did. And they ain't begging. Not even asking for their due Undecided

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I dunno why you guys are jumping on the campaign manager's back. He did everything by the book, and all that should have been expected of him. These guys just get paid a nominal fee to administer the campaign. The agreement, certainly in spirit, is between the advertising company and the participants. If the manager were handling funds irresponsibly, it is incumbent upon the advertising company to sack him and move forward with a more responsible manager. But that isn't what happened here.

Master-P either exit scammed or got hacked. Really not sure how that makes a campaign manager responsible for his advertiser's debts. When my company has a dispute with a vendor, we don't scapegoat the attorney that signed the agreement. We place blame with the vendor.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 29, 2015, 06:41:29 PM

How do you say that i stiffed anyone? I dont see how you think its my responsibility to pay the campaigns if the escrow took off with the funds?

1. Were you told by the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments you represent that they refuse to honor their debts?
2. Did the participants entered into a contractual agreement with you, ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments you represent, or Master-P?

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I opened that thread to try and get the ppl currently in those campaigns some of their pay.

In a separate thread, you claimed losses of 6+ BTC.
3. Did the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments you represent authorize you to beg on this forum, on their behalf? And to claim their losses as yours?
4. In your begging thread, you ask people to display the sigs from the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments you represent for free. Did the ~~scumbags~~ reputable establishments you represent authorize this?

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I have 0 money to my name as my funds were taken by the same guy.

Yeah, life's unfair like that. Please answer the questions enumerated above.
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