Losing $350,000 because of a friend, what would you do? - page 7.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:31:43 AM

Quote from: jackg on November 07, 2022, 11:26:30 AM

Isn't that the point? What are you going to do? Prosecute them, leave them to get thrown out and stay on, or just what most would do and do nothing?

I don't have to do anything. Maybe tell the manager to look at the recording.
The dealer should have been not letting anyone touch the chips, so it's all on him.

I'm afraid that the casino won't bother at all and will just try and help to de-escalate the situation so that the other bettors won't be disturbed. Lucky for you if they will return your bet because most management will just talk to you privately that the situation can't be restored nor the bet, and will put the finger to your friend who did moved the chips. Trying to claim that $350k will be impossible, that's just pushing your luck for nothing.

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Quote from: Bitinity on November 17, 2022, 02:54:08 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

It happens in real gambling in my country especially in the place where I live. Although the game is not the same as mentioned by OP but it is a bit similar. It is a game where players against the dealer. Players place bets and other players can move other's money to others or even take the money of other's players but they responsible for it. Means that if the taken money or moved money is a bet, the one who take or move it should pay the winning. Perhaps it is not happening in big and professional land based casino, but it is happening in traditional gambling in my area.
Below is the gambling game I'm referring to where players can touch (take/move) other's money:

It is very clear, traditional gambling and casino gambling have a difference that looks very contrasting. whether it's from game rules, security guarantees, playing comfort, the many types of games, and the most important thing is the purity of the game which tends to be controlled by the dealer.

I mean, traditional gambling like you show in this picture. I don't guarantee 100%, but in most cases bookies from traditional gambling tend to play unfairly with the various tricks they do. at least, that's what happened in my country. after all, most of this kind of gambling is no longer popular because of the sophistication of technology. Gradually, traditional gambling will disappear with time.

however, there is one thing that modern casinos and traditional gambling have in common, namely, in the end, the dealer always wins. the difference is, traditional bookies are more inclined to cheating tricks, but if in a modern casino, players don't know the time so the money at stake will gradually run out too. So, that's roughly the difference.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 07, 2022, 06:59:10 PM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

Actions are restricted once the spin is now in the action.

And if some sort of movements were done while spinning and chips got moved for whatever reason, the supposed first number that is chosen is the original number and that won't be changed.

The movie shared is a comedy that's why stories like that occur but it can't happen in real life.

Well I would interpret lop as profit, there are times we let opportunities go by because we don't know very well, of course letting go of winning so much is something that can affect a lot, especially emotionally, especially when it is such a monstrous amount of money, but that would help of teaching, I think that here in gmbling as in trading the best of all are the teachings, I think that the friend learned a very valuable lesson and that is what matters, of course if we see it from the winning point of view it is obvious that He stopped winning a lot, but at least he won something and I am in favor of leaving with a positive balance and not a negative one, that is what I like the most.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

It happens in real gambling in my country especially in the place where I live. Although the game is not the same as mentioned by OP but it is a bit similar. It is a game where players against the dealer. Players place bets and other players can move other's money to others or even take the money of other's players but they responsible for it. Means that if the taken money or moved money is a bet, the one who take or move it should pay the winning. Perhaps it is not happening in big and professional land based casino, but it is happening in traditional gambling in my area.
Below is the gambling game I'm referring to where players can touch (take/move) other's money:

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Reality is far from a movie, and a movie is far from reality.
Ain't gonna happen in real life. You don't wanna touch your friends bet coz it's gonna be a total chaos when something like the movie happens. Plus, I guess we are not allowed to touch other person's bet on the table, most especially once the roullete have started rolling.
The most realistic scenario for that, is to give your friend an advice on what kind of risk he's been into, but touching his bets and replacing it, not gonna happen in reality. Unless you and your friend are drunk af.

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In real life, this kind of thing might never happen, because when betting and playing gambling I never invite my friends because it will mess with my mind, but if it really happened I would definitely be angry with him, but not scold him loudly. and hurt his heart, I think just slap him like I usually do if my friend is unconscious when he's drunk from drinking too much let alone $350k not a small amount of money

If he gets drunk and makes a mess while you are playing, it's out of his control because he can't think normally.
But it's best not to slap him because he might get back at you, which could put you and him in an uncomfortable situation.
Maybe you can just play online gambling instead of playing offline gambling because by playing online gambling, you can play in your room without anyone disturbing you.
That's what I do so I can be free in playing gambling.

therefore I know how my friend is behaving, so I never invite him to play online or offline gambling with him because he will definitely disturb me playing, he is also not someone who understands gambling, so I let him busy with his drink and I gamble

And while he's busy with his drink, we can enjoy our moment gambling.
If I had a friend like your friend, I would also not ask him to go gambling but if he didn't bother me while playing, maybe I would be happy to have him as long as I play gambling.
Maybe he will always try to remind me not to gamble continuously and to stop.
This can help us to reduce tension because of a friend like that.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 16, 2022, 05:34:57 PM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

That movie can only fool those who do not understand roulette and physical casinos if we take the scenario seriously he can protest the results because his friend who is not the bettor touched the chips so his action is invalid, his bet should be the one that is counted and should go home with the $350k, but if the bet is invalid his friend just burn the bridge on their friendship, it will take years to forget that $350k is such a huge amount to forget easily.

Could neither be forgotten or would really be as good like forever on which you would definitely cutting your friendship.For some 350k might not be something worth but
honestly this is already a life changing amount for most people and if someone do touches up your bet and missed out that opportunity then you cant really avoid not
to punch him on the face on what he had done.You would really be cutting off ties on making him as a friend but its true that this one could really be debated on
considering that casinos arent allowed for sudden changes of bets unless if the bettor itself do make out such changes on the go.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

That movie can only fool those who do not understand roulette and physical casinos if we take the scenario seriously he can protest the results because his friend who is not the bettor touched the chips so his action is invalid, his bet should be the one that is counted and should go home with the $350k, but if the bet is invalid his friend just burn the bridge on their friendship, it will take years to forget that $350k is such a huge amount to forget easily.

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 16, 2022, 04:45:14 PM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

Precisely. You have the full control on your chips, and nobody is allowed to touch it other than you. So if you bet correctly, you’ll definitely win. And not that others are responsible if ever you lose. And if this scenario will happen in reality, that friend of yours will definitely be banned and not allowed to play again.

Even if the rule isn't very strict the dealer would take not and at least ask you if that's your intention to change the bet.
If that happened to me I'd be angry at my friend but for it to happen we'd both have to be drunk. Me too drunk to notice and my friend to drunk to listen to me and know that it's my bet not his, so we'd probably laugh it off and go play at another table.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

If ever this is happening in reality, then I have to call the attention of the manager and tell him about the event. But this will not happen actually because no one gets to move our chips unless if we let that person too. What is actually happening in a movie may not be applicable in reality, so never make it a problem OP as it’s never be allowed to happen in real casinos.

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Quote from: traderethereum on November 16, 2022, 04:14:59 AM

Quote from: bitcampaign on November 15, 2022, 05:42:44 PM

In real life, this kind of thing might never happen, because when betting and playing gambling I never invite my friends because it will mess with my mind, but if it really happened I would definitely be angry with him, but not scold him loudly. and hurt his heart, I think just slap him like I usually do if my friend is unconscious when he's drunk from drinking too much let alone $350k not a small amount of money

If he gets drunk and makes a mess while you are playing, it's out of his control because he can't think normally.
But it's best not to slap him because he might get back at you, which could put you and him in an uncomfortable situation.
Maybe you can just play online gambling instead of playing offline gambling because by playing online gambling, you can play in your room without anyone disturbing you.
That's what I do so I can be free in playing gambling.

therefore I know how my friend is behaving, so I never invite him to play online or offline gambling with him because he will definitely disturb me playing, he is also not someone who understands gambling, so I let him busy with his drink and I gamble

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

Precisely. You have the full control on your chips, and nobody is allowed to touch it other than you. So if you bet correctly, you’ll definitely win. And not that others are responsible if ever you lose. And if this scenario will happen in reality, that friend of yours will definitely be banned and not allowed to play again.

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Quote from: Saisher on November 16, 2022, 06:27:32 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

The scene is quite unrealistic, but its fun watching this movie, I don't know if there's a possibility that something like this could happen in real life, for one once you place your bet and the roulette is in motion you cannot change your bet or even touch it, second, you don't close your eyes when betting because unexpected things can happen in physical roulette.
And what would I do I just going to hate my friend for the rest of my life, for ruining my fortune.

We talk only by the gambler's perspective, but imagine how it would be from the friend's perspective. His intention was noble, since he worried about his gambler friend losing huge money in a foolish bet, so he removed the bet with the best intention as possible of preserving his friend's bankroll and preventing him from becoming depressed after a severe loss that looked a certain at first point.

But after all, the one who became depressed and regretful was the friend who tried to help his gambler mate for messing his big win. I can imagine how frustrating it should have been for him. Probably felt the worst friend in the world!

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Quote from: Saisher on November 16, 2022, 06:27:32 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

The scene is quite unrealistic, but its fun watching this movie, I don't know if there's a possibility that something like this could happen in real life, for one once you place your bet and the roulette is in motion you cannot change your bet or even touch it, second, you don't close your eyes when betting because unexpected things can happen in physical roulette.
And what would I do I just going to hate my friend for the rest of my life, for ruining my fortune.

Yes, its unrealistic but those are what if's situation which is something we do presume out that it could happen and ending up on real which you could really be definitely be able to hate up your friend
or anyone that do really stop your fortune.You cant really just accept it easily yet it does involved huge amount of money.I agree on what you had said about that rolling on physical
roullete which it is really impossible that you wont really be able to stop if someone would really be making out alterations on your bet.You arent that closing your eyes imho.
This is why this particular condition or situation cant really be happening even if we do say about what if's.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

The scene is quite unrealistic, but its fun watching this movie, I don't know if there's a possibility that something like this could happen in real life, for one once you place your bet and the roulette is in motion you cannot change your bet or even touch it, second, you don't close your eyes when betting because unexpected things can happen in physical roulette.
And what would I do I just going to hate my friend for the rest of my life, for ruining my fortune.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 16, 2022, 03:15:21 AM

At first place, my friend doesn't have any rights to change my bet because it's my money and not his/hers.
Second, we can't predict the future and that safer bet might be a better choice. It's just that, the riskier bet won and unfortunately because of your stupid friend, you didn't win that money.

These scenarios happen rarely and TBH, I don't know if there are some stupid friends out there who will change the bet of their friend because at first place, it wasn't their own money. Maybe on the next time you will go to a casino, try to go alone so nobody will change your bets. If I'm on that situation, I'll just move on with it, but the friendship will be over Cheesy

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It is strange that at first you write that your friend does not have the right to cancel/change your bet and then write that because of this friend you did not receive a win. If your friend cannot change your bet, then you should get a win as the bet is considered made - after all, you have a bet with a casino, and not with "casino and a friend."

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Even if Kevin Hart manages somehow to rollback his friends action and insist on him winning 350k, casinos security will have 1001 reason to cancel that bet, because betting rules were broken.

If I was in that situation, I would not be much disappointed if I did not win 350k, but won only 10k. Reason is simple. If I can allow to make such a bet and be so reckless about it, then money is not a problem for me. So winning or loosing 350k is not a big deal.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on November 15, 2022, 05:42:44 PM

In real life, this kind of thing might never happen, because when betting and playing gambling I never invite my friends because it will mess with my mind, but if it really happened I would definitely be angry with him, but not scold him loudly. and hurt his heart, I think just slap him like I usually do if my friend is unconscious when he's drunk from drinking too much let alone $350k not a small amount of money

If he gets drunk and makes a mess while you are playing, it's out of his control because he can't think normally.
But it's best not to slap him because he might get back at you, which could put you and him in an uncomfortable situation.
Maybe you can just play online gambling instead of playing offline gambling because by playing online gambling, you can play in your room without anyone disturbing you.
That's what I do so I can be free in playing gambling.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

At first place, my friend doesn't have any rights to change my bet because it's my money and not his/hers.
Second, we can't predict the future and that safer bet might be a better choice. It's just that, the riskier bet won and unfortunately because of your stupid friend, you didn't win that money.

These scenarios happen rarely and TBH, I don't know if there are some stupid friends out there who will change the bet of their friend because at first place, it wasn't their own money. Maybe on the next time you will go to a casino, try to go alone so nobody will change your bets. If I'm on that situation, I'll just move on with it, but the friendship will be over Cheesy

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:50 AM

This kind of scene is unlikely to happen like someone going all in on just one number. Also, if this happened in real life, I think he (Kevin Hart) will still win the $350,000 as he is not the one who moved those chips or bet and why would the betting be closed after the spin, wouldn't it have been closed when the wheel is already spinning?

To me this is the correct explanation for that scene, only the owner of the chips can change the bet at all and any friends or other people at the table cannot really do so unless we are talking about their own chips, also at some point bets are closed off and you cannot put new bets or modify the existing ones, so I think in that case the person betting at a particular number will still win his bet, but taking into account such a huge win it will most likely take some time before the money is paid.

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