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June 13, 2017, 07:11:47 AM

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Az én konfigommal sokra nem mész, 380x-eim vannak, teljesen más értékeim vannak mint neked lennének, de memóriafeszültséget úgy tudsz állítani, hogy csak simán a meglévő bat fájlhoz hozzáírod, hogy:
-mvddc 900,1200 ahol a gpu0 memória fesz 0.9V lesz a gpu1 vedig 1,2V. Több mint 2 kártya esetén ugyan így sorrendben, vesszővel elválasztva mehet tovább, ha 0 értéket adsz egy helyen, akkor változatlanul marad. A kártyák elnevezése pedig slot szerint felülről lefelé 0-val kezdődik.
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Nyilván a beállításaid nem érdekelnek, csak a szintaktika, hogy egy kártyához hogy vannak felsorolva a beállítandó értékek.
sr. member
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June 13, 2017, 04:24:29 AM
"Afterburner helyett inkább javaslom a mineren belüli konfigolást, az mindig biztosabb.
Nanopoolról nem nagyon tudok nyilatkozni, de nem hiszem, hogy bármiféle rangsor lenne, én coinotronon bányászom, sose volt még olyan, hogy bármi üresjárat lett volna, mindig a hashspeedemnek megfelelő rewardot kaptam, én úgy tudom, hogy ha egy pool rendesen működik, mindig kiosztja a work package-eket. A rating pedig sok minden lehet, attól is függ, hogy az adott poolnak milyen a jutalomelosztási rendszere, de ha valaki nanopoolt használ az meg tudja mondani.
A dual miningnek pont az a lényege, hogy az ETH nem használja ki teljes mértékben a kártyát, a megmaradó kapacitást használja fel a miner, hogy mellette bányásszon valamit. Lényegében ez ugyan az, mintha egy ethminer mellé elindítanál egy decred minert is, csak Claymore minerében ez össze van vonva."

A mineren belüli konfigoláson mit értesz?

Azért kérdem a dual miningolást, mert múltkor SIAval dualoztam egy picit, de ott az ETH hash nagyon visszaesett, ezt pedig nem szeretném. Ha jól tudom prioritást lehet beállítani a Claymoreon.

Claymorenál például mineren belül meg tudod adni az egyes feszültségeket és frekvenciákat. Afterburnert annyira nem ismerem, nekem ASUS kártyáim vannak, nem igazán szeretik az afterburnert, de ha mindent be tudsz rajta állítani, akkor végül is az sem gond.
A dual mining meg akkor érdemes igazából, ha annyira nem keresed az optimális sebesség/fogyasztás arányt, mert pl fix áramot fizetsz stb. és nem annyira számít a fogyasztás.
Szerintem a legegyszerűbb, ha keresel valami referenciasebességet a kártyáidhoz, és próbálod akörül kihozni a lehető legkevesebb feszültséggel és core clockkal amíg még stabil sima ETH bányászással. Ha befektetésnek szánod, akkor igazából ennyinek elégnek kell lennie, jelen pillanatban ha eladásra bányászol nem hiszem, hogy nagyon megérné, akkor már inkább használnék nicehash minert, fix bitcoinban kapnád a rewardot attól függetlenül, hogy mit bányászol.

Ha kérhetnék egy másolatot a bat fájlból ahol bekonfigoltál egy kártyát, hogy milyen frekvenciával, feszültséggel, stb. menjen megköszönném. Főleg arra vagyok kíváncsi, hogy hogyan van az adott kártya megnevezve több kártya esetén. Nem tudom, hogy a memória feszültsége állítható-e, mert az is hoz a konyhára, nem is keveset fogyasztásban, lévén ugye az 100%-kal pörög, míg a GPU jó ha 20%-on.
Az én konfigommal sokra nem mész, 380x-eim vannak, teljesen más értékeim vannak mint neked lennének, de memóriafeszültséget úgy tudsz állítani, hogy csak simán a meglévő bat fájlhoz hozzáírod, hogy:
-mvddc 900,1200 ahol a gpu0 memória fesz 0.9V lesz a gpu1 vedig 1,2V. Több mint 2 kártya esetén ugyan így sorrendben, vesszővel elválasztva mehet tovább, ha 0 értéket adsz egy helyen, akkor változatlanul marad. A kártyák elnevezése pedig slot szerint felülről lefelé 0-val kezdődik.
newbie
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June 13, 2017, 01:35:36 AM
"Afterburner helyett inkább javaslom a mineren belüli konfigolást, az mindig biztosabb.
Nanopoolról nem nagyon tudok nyilatkozni, de nem hiszem, hogy bármiféle rangsor lenne, én coinotronon bányászom, sose volt még olyan, hogy bármi üresjárat lett volna, mindig a hashspeedemnek megfelelő rewardot kaptam, én úgy tudom, hogy ha egy pool rendesen működik, mindig kiosztja a work package-eket. A rating pedig sok minden lehet, attól is függ, hogy az adott poolnak milyen a jutalomelosztási rendszere, de ha valaki nanopoolt használ az meg tudja mondani.
A dual miningnek pont az a lényege, hogy az ETH nem használja ki teljes mértékben a kártyát, a megmaradó kapacitást használja fel a miner, hogy mellette bányásszon valamit. Lényegében ez ugyan az, mintha egy ethminer mellé elindítanál egy decred minert is, csak Claymore minerében ez össze van vonva."

A mineren belüli konfigoláson mit értesz?

Azért kérdem a dual miningolást, mert múltkor SIAval dualoztam egy picit, de ott az ETH hash nagyon visszaesett, ezt pedig nem szeretném. Ha jól tudom prioritást lehet beállítani a Claymoreon.

Claymorenál például mineren belül meg tudod adni az egyes feszültségeket és frekvenciákat. Afterburnert annyira nem ismerem, nekem ASUS kártyáim vannak, nem igazán szeretik az afterburnert, de ha mindent be tudsz rajta állítani, akkor végül is az sem gond.
A dual mining meg akkor érdemes igazából, ha annyira nem keresed az optimális sebesség/fogyasztás arányt, mert pl fix áramot fizetsz stb. és nem annyira számít a fogyasztás.
Szerintem a legegyszerűbb, ha keresel valami referenciasebességet a kártyáidhoz, és próbálod akörül kihozni a lehető legkevesebb feszültséggel és core clockkal amíg még stabil sima ETH bányászással. Ha befektetésnek szánod, akkor igazából ennyinek elégnek kell lennie, jelen pillanatban ha eladásra bányászol nem hiszem, hogy nagyon megérné, akkor már inkább használnék nicehash minert, fix bitcoinban kapnád a rewardot attól függetlenül, hogy mit bányászol.

Ha kérhetnék egy másolatot a bat fájlból ahol bekonfigoltál egy kártyát, hogy milyen frekvenciával, feszültséggel, stb. menjen megköszönném. Főleg arra vagyok kíváncsi, hogy hogyan van az adott kártya megnevezve több kártya esetén. Nem tudom, hogy a memória feszültsége állítható-e, mert az is hoz a konyhára, nem is keveset fogyasztásban, lévén ugye az 100%-kal pörög, míg a GPU jó ha 20%-on.
sr. member
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June 12, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/
Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.
There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pay 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.

Yes yes I know the difference between individual (15%) and company (9%) from this year. I live in Hungary and i have a company here.

The problem is that it's still a grey zone about BTC and cryptocurrencies in Europe, and especially in the central - Est Europe countries.

Currently, there is no law, no jurisprudence, no recommandation about the hungarian state or NAV. So nothing can be sure at 100% for the moment.

And as we talked previously with flekkelek, we have a real doubt about the competence and the skills of the NAV, politicians (and Cie) about the cryptocurrencies world and how it's considered, because there is nothing about that now.

It's like the online professionnal poker player, no law, no statut, no rules, nothing in lot of countries.

sr. member
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June 12, 2017, 08:19:59 AM
Bitcoin.hu fórum oldalra állítólag gmail-es címmel lehet regelni.
newbie
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June 12, 2017, 02:48:27 AM
Hi everyone.
I'm sorry, I don't speak Hungarian either. Where do you guys buy risers in Budapest (if it's even possible)? Or you order from some EU-based company that ships fast?

Same Q for mobos/CPUs/RAM: any good trusted store that usually have everything in stock? (I specially don't ask about GPUs, as seems noone has them just as everywhere).

Thanks much for any adivse.

What would you like to buy? Maybe I can help you :-)
newbie
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June 11, 2017, 05:56:27 PM
Hi everyone.
I'm sorry, I don't speak Hungarian either. Where do you guys buy risers in Budapest (if it's even possible)? Or you order from some EU-based company that ships fast?

Same Q for mobos/CPUs/RAM: any good trusted store that usually have everything in stock? (I specially don't ask about GPUs, as seems noone has them just as everywhere).

Thanks much for any adivse.
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 274
June 11, 2017, 01:29:52 PM
Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/
Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.
There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pays 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.
Azon gondolkodtam, hogy ha mondjuk katás vagyok és tfh ez még belefér a 6millióba, akkor ennek az adója is vajon letudható a havi fix katás adóval? Mert gondolom az "Egyéb informatikai tevékenységbe" ez is beletartozik.
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Vires in Numeris
June 11, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/
Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.
There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pay 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.
sr. member
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June 11, 2017, 12:31:53 PM
What do you want in Hungary?
sr. member
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June 11, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
Also a link for many countries (last update 05/2017)

Nothing special for Hungary for the moment

https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/digital-currencies-international-actions-and-regulations.html
sr. member
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June 11, 2017, 09:32:43 AM
Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/
Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.
sr. member
Activity: 719
Merit: 388
June 11, 2017, 09:15:59 AM
Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/
sr. member
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June 11, 2017, 09:10:12 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you


Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.


Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.

Thanks for your feedback. So in your case, you paid last year 15% of your profit, without any deduction?
I guess it shoud happen that way, but it's more like 27% (VAT), but I haven't sold what I earned or invested last year. Not to mention in laws I found only the term "bitcoin" but no mentions about altcoins or something, so it used to be a way to manuever between these laws. I can't find any new article or relevant information about it, even on our national bank's website. But as I know our politicans and lawmakers they have no idea how cryptoworld works. 
sr. member
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June 11, 2017, 08:49:09 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you


Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.


Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.

Thanks for your feedback. So in your case, you paid last year 15% of your profit, without any deduction?
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 274
June 11, 2017, 08:35:39 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you


Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.


Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.
sr. member
Activity: 719
Merit: 388
June 11, 2017, 08:31:01 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you


Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.

sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 274
June 11, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you


Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.
sr. member
Activity: 719
Merit: 388
June 11, 2017, 07:52:38 AM
Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

sr. member
Activity: 325
Merit: 250
June 11, 2017, 04:39:53 AM
Nem rossz a bitcoin.hu, főleg a portál része tetszik. A forumot illetően én inkább a bitcointalk híve vagyok, jobban örülnék ha itt pörögne fel a felhaszálók száma.
A bitcoin.hu-t illetően illene vásárolni egy SSL-t a weboldalhoz, a legtöbb hosting ingyen adja. Ha venni kell akkor szóljanak, szerintem szívesen összekalapozzzuk az árát.

Tudtommal maga a "tulaj" nem elérhető, hosszú ideje, ezért nem is tudják megvenni s ezért az új oldal.
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