Ipo is too expensive and they are manipulate the market. The latter one makes people whether this project is just a scam in order to pump MSC.
This. The have no idea on how to price the safecoins in the future, "the market will found out" they said.
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This. The have no idea on how to price the safecoins in the future, "the market will found out" they said.
With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA. That is the beauty of open source.
it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.
Along the present, more practical lines, when are my Safecoins going to show up in my Masterchest wallet?
If that's not how it works, how do I access my Safecoins?
If that's not how it works, how do I access my Safecoins?
You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.
I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit) but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.
I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?
Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor
1: I would certainly quit immediately
2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise
3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.
I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.
What is not clear to me here is the notion of apps? I can see apps that use maidsafe as its storage / backup mechanism, however does this network support arbitrary apps on a decentralized manner?
Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes. 100% guarantee however is likely not possible.
100% isn't possible with centralized services either, almost by definition. Typical webhosts at best reach their advertised 99.9% uptime. Dropbox's servers could be hit by a nucular 'splosion.
This is just a natural circumstance as long as we live in a material world.
The best way to make sure the safety of your own data in such P2P systems like MaidSafe is just to safe-keep them as a local copy (as you probably would anyway). That way you'll still have them and you'll be the last remaining and perfectly valid node if you're the only survivor of an apocalypse.
With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA. That is the beauty of open source.
You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.
I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit) but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.
I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?
Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor
1: I would certainly quit immediately
2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise
3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.
I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.
Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.
No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's BitcoinsOr those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox
LOL
Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?
Come on...
I'm a fucking genius
I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot
You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.
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What did they do? The IPO went a bit twisted with the whole MSC/BTC conversion thing, but immoral ?
People are free to invest in whatever they like.....I I dont really see where you're going with this.
My next question, the elephant in the room: illegal content.
How is MS going to deal with this issue ?
I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit) but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.
I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?
You can tell that NXT discussed this stuff a while ago.....
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.
I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.
Jesus.
If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?
The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.
The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.
Can you comment how the data dispersion algorithm differs from Cleversafe?
Not really, I am not sure the source is available for that. I see they use FEC, we do not, instead we use replication, and we disperse data randomly across a DHT Address space with replication and failover techniques involving account synchronisation and an accumulator pattern.
You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.
How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)
Maidsafe raised the amount is too big, hope maidsafe can develop better
The point is it is not maidsafe any more. MaidSafe is now part of a huge community and one that grows each day now. The community are taking over creating forums, looking at and testing code and networks and developing applications. The raise will pay for some of this, so MaidSafe will be using some money to set up competitors in core development, which is great.
We are proud members of the maidsafe community and believe this is true open source, open development and real decentralisation. We have a huge job to do in the next few months to kick off the network and help some devs get their apps on line, we will become less important very soon. We should all celebrate this way of working, it is decentralisation and a business model that may prove to be radical and copied by many. Of course we all see the dangers etc. but nobody got anywhere without moving things forward, lets see what's round the next corner :-)
How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)
Maidsafe raised the amount is too big, hope maidsafe can develop better
I have a question:
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
Exactly.
If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.
The Proof of Resource calculations appear to incentivize Quality of Service, so an unreliable node will tend to be avoided. Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes. 100% guarantee however is likely not possible. I think however we are working with very low probabilities here with the data being striped and mirrored.
Excellent opinion, all of the network is a probability matrix really. I suppose all crypto is as well. The key as you rightly point out is to make the probability of loss or collision so low it is negligible over a huge timescale. It is hard to get your head around this for some people, me included at the start, as you think cpu == 100% correct math all the time. It's just not true in real life, everything is a probability and this is an excellent point, well made.
Thanks (btw address space is 2^512 so larger than the number of atoms in visible universe almost squared, not always good to use that number but a good starting point in the thought process)
I have a question:
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
Exactly.
If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.
The Proof of Resource calculations appear to incentivize Quality of Service, so an unreliable node will tend to be avoided. Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes. 100% guarantee however is likely not possible. I think however we are working with very low probabilities here with the data being striped and mirrored.
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.
I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.
Jesus.
If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?
The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.
The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.
Can you comment how the data dispersion algorithm differs from Cleversafe?
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.
I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.
Jesus.
If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?
The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.
The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.
I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.
Jesus.
If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?
I have a question:
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
I am not a developer. In fact very far from it. From what I read is that they will always try to maintain at least 4 copies of any file. So if one computer drops out, 3 are left and then the network will instantly try to make a 4th copy somewhere else. So people will always be dropping out, but most of the farmers will be leaving their machines on all the time and so it'll be hard for 4 copies to go down exactly at once. But yes, if they do, a person would have to wait until one of them hopefully turned their farmer back on.
I have a question:
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?
So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?
Exactly.
If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.
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