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April 18, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

Dude I'm not saying I believe that lol! Don't lump me in with randomlove and the tinfoil hat-wearers, please!
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April 18, 2014, 09:39:02 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?

Sounds like a perfectly plausible situation lol.
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April 18, 2014, 09:35:43 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.

Don't you think there'll be easier ways to kidnap a handful of people rather than make an entire plane disappear?
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April 18, 2014, 09:24:34 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

And a slight variation on this, is the theory that they were essentially kidnapped for the skill sets.
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April 18, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.

It's been discussed and is only shared by conspiracy nuts.
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April 18, 2014, 09:05:54 AM
There is also a theory that some of the passengers held patents for microchips, patents which would be owned by their respective companies if they died.
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April 18, 2014, 07:02:29 AM

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

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If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

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I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

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Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

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If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.


+1 nothing else to add other than grammar Nazi stuff so I will refrain.

Let's hope that the engineers actually get some parts to piece together what happened. There is a probability that something lurking silently threatening crews and passengers in this aircrafts design that needs to be addressed or in the maintenance regime at Malaysia Airlines.

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April 17, 2014, 07:45:35 PM

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

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If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

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I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

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Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

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If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.


Schooled much?
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April 17, 2014, 06:25:01 PM

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

They did contact the ground crew (but IIRC, they did not contact air traffic control, never sent out a panpan or mayday), but the problem was not fire as might be the case in flight 370, so there was no reason to cut power to the radio/transponder/etc (even though the last words of the captian were asking where certain fuses where, go figure). In case of an (electrical) fire, isolating the fire by turning off all electrical equipment is a lot more urgent than sending out a distress signal.

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If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

Why not? Engines need absolutely none of the electrical equipment in the fuselage. As I pointed out earlier, in the case of the Quantas Airbus A380 which had an engine explode, the crew did not manage to turn OFF another engine for several hours after landing, despite everything they tried, even hosing the engine with water from fire trucks. Once they run, engines only need fuel and they will keep running almost no matter what. Thats what they are designed to do.

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I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

I dont understand why you think this is weird or impossible? An electrical fire doesnt necessarily have to rage out of control, especially not if all fuses were pulled, no longer feeding of the fire. All you need to incapacitate the crew is smoke, and having shut down, or the fire disabling most of the electrical stuff, you'd have no airconditioning, no ventilation and perhaps even no continuing pressurization. Guess what happens next?

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Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

Who said the fire was viscous? Just how much plastic do you think needs to burn or smolder to intoxicate 200 people crammed together in a small room with no ventilation and low oxygen levels?

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If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

You know, there is a reason very few accidents happen more than once in an identical way. Its because we are maniacal about flight safety and from every crash we learn and make sure it doesnt happen again. Id be more shocked to find a strikingly similar accident had happened before.
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April 17, 2014, 04:35:48 PM
aside the theory crafting any real news about the plane?
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April 17, 2014, 04:25:36 PM
Never said i was, I know my flaws. Maths and Geometry lead me to the truth.

Good old maths!

Yeah, he's hardly a master craftsman of the English language:

The truth smacks you in the face and you dismiss it. You see thats what they want you to do sheeple! Your all perfetic cowards! And that's just fact!


My favorite has still got to be "neivity" or however the flaming fuck he spelled it.
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April 17, 2014, 04:18:09 PM
Uncontrolled Decompression Incidents Posted again for those that missed it buried in the garbage.

Far from unique there are plenty every year.

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Decompression incidents are not uncommon on military and civilian aircraft, with approximately 40–50 rapid decompression events occurring worldwide annually.  "Rapid Decompression In Air Transport Aircraft" (PDF). Aviation Medical Society of Australia and New Zealand. 2000-11-13. Retrieved 2008-09-01.[26]

--snip--

It helps put it in PERSPECTIVE.

A car can go missing right off a known travelled road and not discovered for 43 years. A plane can do the same. Let us not let the tinfoil hats win. A horrible accident happened. We need to know what happened to protect others from the potential maintenance or engineering flaw. It was NOT aliens, NOR conspiracies or any other BS story your imagination can come up with. I did my part by previously posting the list cabin depressurization accidents and it is not a short list by far and most probably fits this scenario although there maybe others. When you got a theory that relates to what is at least remotely plausible then let us talk about it. The theory I put forward has been put forward by commercial pilots as a plausible explanation. You have to start with the theory that makes some sense and is based on the facts as they are given.

A plane travels hours and crashes well off course in the Indian Ocean?

What does that sound like when you compare it to past events like this?

If I was going to believe anything then it would be fire and decompression and pilots become incapacitated for a plane to fly along then run out of fuel and crash that far off course.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10711590/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Cairo-777-cockpit-fire-could-yield-clues-to-missing-plane.html

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I suggest when it is found they will find something like this as the cause. You don't need the god of the GAPS argument to make an educated guess. People are making educated guesses. LISTEN to them.


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There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.


http://www.wired.com/2014/03/malaysia-air/

All you have to do is educate yourself. Read widely be skeptical. Just don't ignore the obvious.

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It took investigators two years to recover the black box data recorder from Air France Flight 447, which went down over the Atlantic on June 1, 2009.

There is a lot here to respond to, so forgive me for the length  Shocked

The list you provided doesn't really show flights the same as MH370... sure, they are similar, but I guess I take a more defined approach with this thinking because I want to compare an 'apple' to an 'apple', and not an 'apple' that is somewhat similar to another apple.

To save my own time and sanity, I stuck with the accidents in the last 20-30 years that I am guessing you would see as similar to MH370.

If you go with the theory of decompression, I don't understand how the flight continues to move along the path they are acting like it took. Other incidents of a decompression incidents don't seem to show this behavior and typically result in emergency landings, not to mention the issue with the communications being disabled/etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Rapid decompression
plenty of communication happened between the pilot and ground. Plenty of alarms, plenty of time for distress calls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_100
Rapid decompression
Safely landed... 1 killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_30'
Rapid decompression. Again, plenty of communication & time to deal with the situation, and a safe landing nobody hurt. (even with numerous oxygen masks not deploying)


If you go with the theory of an electrical fire + a decompression incident, I don't see how the plane goes on for 6+ hours and on the flight path they are stating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611
Explosive decompression - crashed quick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
Explosive decompression - crashed quick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTA_Flight_772
Explosive decompression - crashed quick.  (I am seeing a pattern)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811
Explosive decompression - well here goes my pattern. But, these guys made it safely and landed after a pretty extreme situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
Explosive decompression - I like this one, it does have *some* similarities... no signs of a distress signal, but again, plane crashed quick and hard 8 seconds after an explosion.

I may be able to accept a ghost flight without the fire, but without a fire then you can't explain the communications manually being turned off, which would imply a severe electrical fire or a hijacking.

Generally speaking, I find it hard to believe that a vicious fire could have taken out the crew without being able to send a distress signal, and then continue to fly on for 6+ hours until running out of gas.

If you show me an incident, in the past, which had some type of electrical fire and a decompression issue that incapacitated the crew quickly enough for them to not be able to send a distress signal AND force them to quickly disable electronics to stop a fire before sending a distress signal AND THEN having that plane somehow continue to fly for 6+ hours while making turns

... then I might be able to stop looking at this damn thread and maybe I can get some sleep tonight

Until then, IMO, your theory is just as flawed as the tinfoil hatters.  At this point, I haven't *accepted* any theory. Even though I do have my opinions. But anyone who has accepted 100% that this was an accident as you seem to have done, in my mind, isn't fully following through with their thought process.

I do hope some type of conclusive evidence will be shown to provide comfort for those families and the millions of people around the world scratching their head, but I really don't believe it will.  Sad

And one last thing
The link about the Egypt 777 flight, which was also a Boeing 777, and had an issue which is believed to be a short-circuit in the oxgyen line for the crew:

Wouldn't a fire of this caliber have killed the crew and took down the plane somewhat quickly. Major damage was caused to the Egypt 777 Boeing, which happened on the ground, and it took crews 90 minutes to get the fire under control.

Not so sure a fire like this is going to allow a plane to continue flying for 6+ hours.

BTW - imagination is a good thing to have if you use it correctly  Grin
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April 17, 2014, 03:55:23 PM
Never said i was, I know my flaws. Maths and Geometry lead me to the truth. Technology as served me well. English as always been the barrier of communication!

In fact, That is going be something i work on come to think of it. Thank you for pointing that out as im currently going teach myself some new stuff and that can be chucked in as well. I don't like it, i'm honest but it needs improvement as you point out.

Maybe i will return when i'm a lyrical master and truly be able to convince you i'm not a troll and maybe when you look back on what i have tried to show you and realise what i say is just trying make you see the world isn't as you have been made to believe!

Ill leave you to your hubris and show that i can be humble

Peace

It's the way you aggressively deliver your message as if it's a scientific fact and anyone else who doesn't agree with it is an unenlightened fool. It makes you look like a troll whether you are or aren't one.
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April 17, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
Never said i was, I know my flaws. Maths and Geometry lead me to the truth. Technology as served me well. English as always been the barrier of communication!

In fact, That is going be something i work on come to think of it. Thank you for pointing that out as im currently going teach myself some new stuff and that can be chucked in as well. I don't like it, i'm honest but it needs improvement as you point out.

Maybe i will return when i'm a lyrical master and truly be able to convince you i'm not a troll and maybe when you look back on what i have tried to show you and realise what i say is just trying make you see the world isn't as you have been made to believe!

Ill leave you to your hubris and show that i can be humble

Peace
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April 17, 2014, 03:32:15 PM
Yup, randomlove is definitly trolling.

Brain dead smuck! Obviously you never paid attention to anything i say as you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Move along you sheep! Humanity doesn't need your kind polluting the gene pool with dumb sprogs!

This has got to be the 3rd or 4th time I've tried to teach him how to spell "schmuck" but some people just never learn...  Grin Maybe we need to start a grammar and spelling for trolls 101 class on bitcointalk.

Yeah, he's hardly a master craftsman of the English language:

The truth smacks you in the face and you dismiss it. You see thats what they want you to do sheeple! Your all perfetic cowards! And that's just fact!
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April 17, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
Yup, randomlove is definitly trolling.

Brain dead smuck! Obviously you never paid attention to anything i say as you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Move along you sheep! Humanity doesn't need your kind polluting the gene pool with dumb sprogs!

This has got to be the 3rd or 4th time I've tried to teach him how to spell "schmuck" but some people just never learn...  Grin Maybe we need to start a grammar and spelling for trolls 101 class on bitcointalk.
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April 17, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
People just jump to conclusions and do it.

You're the only jumping to conclusions based on not a shred of evidence, research or common sense, just outlandish conspiracies, self contradicting arguments and hearsay from crackpots. Let me guess, you believe in chemtrails and fake moonlandings too, right?
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April 17, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
Yup, randomlove is definitly trolling.

Brain dead smuck! Obviously you never paid attention to anything i say as you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Move along you sheep! Humanity doesn't need your kind polluting the gene pool with dumb sprogs!

I paid attention. It's just mostly nonsense. Even if there's a sliver of truth there you just cover it and mix it up with shite that it's hard to take you seriously. But I get it, you're just trolling.

Its not for me to convince you, Only you can teach yourself, Your right!

Good luck with your endeavours, Maybe one day you will think you got some randomlove!

peace

The only thing I got was trolled by a moron.

Its amazing, They dont even need to pay people to do what they want, People just jump to conclusions and do it. The oppressed opressing the weaker for there oppressors! It's genius, I take my hat off to them, as their 200+ year plan is working a dream. No wonder all the Zionists are laughing at how well there plans are working. Genius in its simplicity, always the best ideas!
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April 17, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
Yup, randomlove is definitly trolling.

Brain dead smuck! Obviously you never paid attention to anything i say as you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Move along you sheep! Humanity doesn't need your kind polluting the gene pool with dumb sprogs!

I paid attention. It's just mostly nonsense. Even if there's a sliver of truth there you just cover it and mix it up with shite that it's hard to take you seriously. But I get it, you're just trolling.

Its not for me to convince you, Only you can teach yourself, Your right!

Good luck with your endeavours, Maybe one day you will think you got some randomlove!

peace

The only thing I got was trolled by a moron.
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April 17, 2014, 10:36:47 AM
Yup, randomlove is definitly trolling.

Brain dead smuck! Obviously you never paid attention to anything i say as you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Move along you sheep! Humanity doesn't need your kind polluting the gene pool with dumb sprogs!

I paid attention. It's just mostly nonsense. Even if there's a sliver of truth there you just cover it and mix it up with shite that it's hard to take you seriously. But I get it, you're just trolling.

Its not for me to convince you, Only you can teach yourself, Your right!

Good luck with your endeavours, Maybe one day you will think you got some randomlove!

peace
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