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March 25, 2014, 11:16:58 AM
You said he chose to kill himself this way in an attempt to try hide the fact it was a suicide. Well there's only one thing more shameful than killing yourself and that is killing yourself and hundreds of others. Quite an elaborate and far-fetched plan just to kill yourself.

Not much elaborate about it if you are a pilot and you fly every day. Also, wouldnt be the first time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

No, your theory is still pretty elaborate, and that wiki page says "The cause — either deliberate crash or mechanical failure — is disputed". There's two 'conclusions' apparently: Deliberate crash (NTSB) and Mechanical failure (ECAA), but this is still pretty irrelevant.
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March 25, 2014, 10:57:39 AM
You said he chose to kill himself this way in an attempt to try hide the fact it was a suicide. Well there's only one thing more shameful than killing yourself and that is killing yourself and hundreds of others. Quite an elaborate and far-fetched plan just to kill yourself.

Not much elaborate about it if you are a pilot and you fly every day. Also, wouldnt be the first time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
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March 25, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
All I am saying is that right now they (search parties) have no clue what went wrong with the plane and -more important- where and how did it end. There are very few weak hints, even that area in southern Indian ocean is just an educated guess - there isn't one single solid evidence to support this theory. Therefore, their pretty explicit announcement "plane crashed, everyone dead, kthxbye" doesn't hold up very well. That's irresponsibility, an insult for passengers families. They shouldn't have said that. Surely, fatal crash is the most probable scenario, but no one really knows for sure. What if the plane crash landed onto some land mass and there are survivors? Should we completely dismiss the possibility of hijacking?

We shouldn't dismiss anything. It still could be a hijacking. It could be pilot error. It could be one or several malfunctions, or a combination of several theories.
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March 25, 2014, 10:27:26 AM
All I am saying is that right now they (search parties) have no clue what went wrong with the plane and -more important- where and how did it end. There are very few weak hints, even that area in southern Indian ocean is just an educated guess - there isn't one single solid evidence to support this theory. Therefore, their pretty explicit announcement "plane crashed, everyone dead, kthxbye" doesn't hold up very well. That's irresponsibility, an insult for the families. They shouldn't have said that. Surely, fatal crash is the most probable scenario, but no one really knows for sure. What if the plane crash landed onto some land mass and there are survivors? Should we completely dismiss the possibility of hijacking?
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March 25, 2014, 10:21:02 AM
They're designed to float for as long as possible, but planes are pretty fragile and I doubt they'll take much from the waves before they go under.

Its not the going under thats the main problem, its the crashing in to 10 meter high concrete walls (called waves) at nearly 300KmH. Here is what happens :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD2AYvI2s5w

And thats on a calm sea, with maybe 1-2 meter high waves.



That's one example, not classic of all water landings. You could see from the angle it came in that the wing touched the water and it wasn't going to go well. Similar thing would happen if the wing clipped the ground.
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March 25, 2014, 10:18:01 AM
Committing suicide via such an elaborate plan would clearly not be foolproof. It'll bring much more shame knowing that he took a plane full of passengers with him. This seems to be quite the speculation.

More shame than what? You think it makes a difference in what ocean he decides to commit suicide, taking 100s with him?

As for foolproof, time will tell if we can actually locate the plane and discover what happened, but it sure is a better way then nosing over and flying straight down in much more shallow waters on a known location.  Im sure if the pilot intended to kill himself, he would have been aware of EgyptAir 990.

You said he chose to kill himself this way in an attempt to try hide the fact it was a suicide. Well there's only one thing more shameful than killing yourself and that is killing yourself and hundreds of others. Quite an elaborate and far-fetched plan just to kill yourself.

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March 25, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
Committing suicide via such an elaborate plan would clearly not be foolproof. It'll bring much more shame knowing that he took a plane full of passengers with him. This seems to be quite the speculation.

More shame than what? You think it makes a difference in what ocean he decides to commit suicide, taking 100s with him?

As for foolproof, time will tell if we can actually locate the plane and discover what happened, but it sure is a better way then nosing over and flying straight down in much more shallow waters on a known location.  Im sure if the pilot intended to kill himself, he would have been aware of EgyptAir 990.
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March 25, 2014, 10:09:23 AM
They're designed to float for as long as possible, but planes are pretty fragile and I doubt they'll take much from the waves before they go under.

Its not the going under thats the main problem, its the crashing in to 10 meter high concrete walls (called waves) at nearly 300KmH. Here is what happens :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD2AYvI2s5w

And thats on a calm sea, with maybe 1-2 meter high waves.

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March 25, 2014, 10:08:17 AM
Why is pilot suicide a likely explanation? I've seen nothing at all to suggest that.

I say that based on earlier reports that indicated ACARS had been turned off manually and the flight computer reprogrammed to turn before the last radio contact, which would imply a deliberate pilot action for reasons he didnt want to share with traffic control. But I do not know what the source of those reports were and the timing of events seems to have been altered since, undermining most of my hypothesis. Even so, if I were to commit suicide by crashing a plane, Id probably prefer it remained a mystery too, if for no other reason as to save my family the shame.  Disabling all comms and flying it to the most remote part of the ocean where it may never be found,  is a good way of achieving that.

Committing suicide via such an elaborate plan would clearly not be foolproof. It'll bring much more shame knowing that he took a plane full of passengers with him. This seems to be quite the speculation.
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March 25, 2014, 10:07:51 AM
i still cling to the hope that some mad peanut has this plane parked on an island runway somewhere and waiting out a hostage demand etc. its a long shot but its the only positive with such sad impending news.

as most of you have touched on that the debris is not yet verified so it could be anything, depending where you sit on the whole secrecy of the data being shown or not shown.

but one thing is certain, it will really suck right now being a Malaysian Ambassador/Diplomat in China right now.

the Malaysian "intelligence" have pooched this to no end. I am also guessing their relations with Thailand and China will be strained for decades to come.

The lack of cooperation was unbelievable. sure they have secrets to guard but when 239 lives are involved and potential terrorist threat, its absurd.

Its also hard for us to not be caught up in this as we live only 200kms from the Pearce Air force base and the traffic, apart from the annual air show here is unprecedented. Every time we hear them take off and land we just hope for the best.

Sad times made worse by the inept and ill informed who are paid to be quite the opposite.

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March 25, 2014, 10:04:16 AM
Why is pilot suicide a likely explanation? I've seen nothing at all to suggest that.

I say that based on earlier reports that indicated ACARS had been turned off manually and the flight computer reprogrammed to turn before the last radio contact, which would imply a deliberate pilot action for reasons he didnt want to share with traffic control. But I do not know what the source of those reports were and the timing of events seems to have been altered since, undermining most of my hypothesis. Even so, if I were to commit suicide by crashing a plane, Id probably prefer it remained a mystery too, if for no other reason as to save my family the shame.  Disabling all comms and flying it to the most remote part of the ocean where it may never be found,  is a good way of achieving that.
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March 25, 2014, 09:57:50 AM
Thing is that at this point there is no evidence that the plane crashed: we don't have reliable radar data, no debris, no sightings... nothing. How can they be so sure that it went down straight into the ocean

There was nothing but ocean and planes tend to go down when they run out of fuel. Whether it went straight down or at an angle makes no difference.

If you are hinting at the possibility it ditched mostly intact, no passenger plane ever ditched intact on an ocean to my knowledge (lakes and rivers is something else), especially not an ocean as rough as the one where it went down. You'd also need to explain how the crew would be able to do the impossible by doing a successful ditching but were unable to prevent the plane from flying 1000s of miles of course for the previous 6+ hours.


They're designed to float for as long as possible, but planes are pretty fragile and I doubt they'll take much from the waves before they go under.
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March 25, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
Thing is that at this point there is no evidence that the plane crashed: we don't have reliable radar data, no debris, no sightings... nothing. How can they be so sure that it went down straight into the ocean

There was nothing but ocean and planes tend to go down when they run out of fuel. Whether it went straight down or at an angle makes no difference.

If you are hinting at the possibility it ditched mostly intact, no passenger plane ever ditched intact on an ocean to my knowledge (lakes and rivers is something else), especially not an ocean as rough as the one where it went down. You'd also need to explain how the crew would be able to do the impossible by doing a successful ditching but were unable to prevent the plane from flying 1000s of miles of course for the previous 6+ hours.

As it stands now, the most likely explanation IMO is still pilot suicide or something similar to Helios flight 522:



Why is pilot suicide a likely explanation? I've seen nothing at all to suggest that.
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March 25, 2014, 09:33:18 AM
Thing is that at this point there is no evidence that the plane crashed: we don't have reliable radar data, no debris, no sightings... nothing. How can they be so sure that it went down straight into the ocean

There was nothing but ocean and planes tend to go down when they run out of fuel. Whether it went straight down or at an angle makes no difference.

If you are hinting at the possibility it ditched mostly intact, no passenger plane ever ditched intact on an ocean to my knowledge (lakes and rivers is something else), especially not an ocean as rough as the one where it went down. You'd also need to explain how the crew would be able to do the impossible by doing a successful ditching but were unable to prevent the plane from flying 1000s of miles of course for the previous 6+ hours.

As it stands now, the most likely explanation IMO is still pilot suicide or something similar to Helios flight 522:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

WHich also flew on for many hours with everyone on board unconscious /dead (except possibly one crew member).

The only thing clearly different here is that transponder and other comms were disabled, which could easily be explained by an electrical fire which would be the underlying cause for the oxygen deprivation/incapacitation of the crew.

Whatever happened, if that plane was ever anywhere near the places that the satellite data points to, there is no feasible way people onboard could still be alive.
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March 25, 2014, 08:24:26 AM
If the goat lady can't find it and the voodoo witch doctor guy couldn't find it that only leaves one possible location of where it could be...

The aliens vaporized it.

Aliens are just a easiest way to explain it :-)
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March 25, 2014, 07:51:09 AM
Apparently the black box only has the last 2 hrs of recordings which will not be as helpful as when the decision was made to turn the plane hard left
It will be helpful we don't even know when the plane crashed[if it did] so listening to all recording will be helpful .
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March 25, 2014, 07:42:34 AM
Apparently the black box only has the last 2 hrs of recordings which will not be as helpful as when the decision was made to turn the plane hard left
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March 25, 2014, 07:37:50 AM
There will be no closure until the black box is found.
For that they will require to find it..! if they can't find a Huge plane I'm quite skeptical about they will be able to find a relatively small black box.
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March 25, 2014, 07:26:31 AM
it seems there is some closure on this and I'm glad to here it. 

There will be no closure until the black box is found.

I dunno. They could find bits of the wreckage but never the black box. I think finding wreckage would be sufficient closure.
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March 25, 2014, 07:21:29 AM
it seems there is some closure on this and I'm glad to here it. 

There will be no closure until the black box is found.
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