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Topic: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile - page 2. (Read 18511 times)

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I think that it was thought to be a military aircraft, and was shot down by mistake. Another case of the "Fog of War". Russia and the Russian separatists had absolutely nothing to gain by shooting down an airliner full of foreign nationals.
legendary
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somebody can give me the picture? i really want to know the truth.

MH17 Lies and Inconsistencies Exposed – Excellent Analysis by a French Citizen
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/09/16/mh17-lies-and-inconsistencies-exposed-excellent-analysis/

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The fallacy of the official Western party line is obvious even to a layman, albeit a sharp one. Listen to an excellent analysis of the MH17 tragedy and lies surrounding it by a concerned French citizen Thierry Andre Laurent-Pellet. He conducted his own investigation, covering pretty much all incongruities and lies in the official pre-reports and the investigation in general.

Thierry Andre Laurent-Pellet analyses a pre-report, and asks some very important questions that don't get answered in the report, in the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhmi-f-UbE

Also this:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/ukraines-snowden-whistleblower-confirms-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine/
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somebody can give me the picture? i really want to know the truth.
sr. member
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My guess is that it was thought to be a military aircraft, and was shot down by mistake. Another case of the "Fog of War". Russia and the Russian separatists had absolutely nothing to gain by shooting down an airliner full of foreign nationals.
legendary
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Almost one and a half years have passed since the shooting down of the MH17. And till now, it is not clear who was behind this incident. The Russians will blame the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians will blame the Russians. This is going to go on for ever. Feels bad for the victims. But a few questions remains to be answered:

1. Why was permission given to the MH17 to use the airspace over Donbass, when it was clear that the rebels were shooting down Ukrainian Air Force jets using modern surface-to-air systems?

2. Why the Americans are not releasing the satellite data?

3. If the Buk system was transported from Russia (as claimed by Ukraine), then why the evidence is not being given to support this? Buk systems are very heavy, and it is almost impossible to hide them.
legendary
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Russian experts requested access to materials pertaining investigation of the shoot-down of Boeing in Ukraine, but were denied it.
That would put the Ukrainians as the main suspected. But why would the do it? Could it be some kind of mistake?

Well, actually, it's the Dutch, who did the denying.

As for Ukraine, they are still to release the ATC communication - both civilian and military. The civilian ones were seized by SBU right after the shoot-down and are kept classified too.

Why would they do it? For that you need to understand one simple thing - Ukraine is an occupied state, controlled from across the ocean. Ukraine stopped doing what is good for Ukraine a long time ago. That shoot-down was not mistake - it was a premeditated false flag to sick the world onto Russia and to discredit the freedom fighters of Novorossia. But this false flag didn't go entirely as planned, so tracks need to be covered by the perpetrators.
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Russian experts requested access to materials pertaining investigation of the shoot-down of Boeing in Ukraine, but were denied it.

That would put the Ukrainians as the main suspected. But why would the do it? Could it be some kind of mistake?
legendary
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Russian experts requested access to materials pertaining investigation of the shoot-down of Boeing in Ukraine, but were denied it. Ukrainian military flight controller records are also being kept classified.

http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/09/03/n_7548707.shtml
legendary
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MH17: A Year Without the Truth

Dutch Security council watched with great interest the Russian documentary "MH17: A Year Without the Truth" and contacted RT asking to help them get details on and assist with transfer of the cockpit cabin fragments, shown in the film:
http://russian.rt.com/article/106937

The film itself can be watched here:
Russian: http://doc.rt.com/filmy/mh17-god-molchaniya/
English: http://rtd.rt.com/films/mh17-a-year-without-the-truth/#part-1
legendary
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Today marks 1 year since MH-17 shoot down. The West continues to play dumb, trying mightily to stall investigation and erase the event from people's memory.

Prosecutor General's Office of DNR marked the day by publishing documents, related to the investigation. Most of the documents comprise protocols/transcripts of witness questioning:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/17/n_7386105.shtml
One citizen reported about sounds, similar to shots shortly before the disaster. Another mentions sound of a jet engine right after the liner fell. Almost all witness testimonials coincide, indicating presence of another airplane in the vicinity.
legendary
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A year ago today Malaysia flight MH17 was shot down in a false flag operation to blame Russia and the Pro-Russian separatists. RIP to the victims.
legendary
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Russian Prosecutor General's office published a report, which says that MH-17 was shot down by and air-to-air missile of a non-Russian make. They also say that they know the make of that rocket:
http://tass.ru/politika/2122685

While CNN published a partial "official" report, which it obtained through its channels (read: was given to publish by the CIA), where the plane was shot down from the ground from the resistance-controlled territory:
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/15/boeing1/

By that theory of CNN's falls apart already, as DNR say they didn't have control over Grabovo back then, when the the rocket was allegedly launched from there:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/15/n_7379761.shtml

legendary
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Not surprise me that soon began another stupid war...
legendary
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Independent British journalist Graham Philips, despite the intimidations from his government, continues to report from Donbass.

His latest reports are from the MH-17 crash site and interviews with locals, who witnessed jet fighters before the explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-O0LdA2uJ8

According to one report, there were two fighters, one flying from the direction of Saur Mogila (a strategic hight and a memorial from WWII, which Ukro Nazis completely bombed out), while the other climbing just before the airliner exploded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBIOAKpgT0c
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The world's starting to sound the a movie
legendary
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Just in. At the press conference in St.Petersburg Putin answered a question about MH-17 investigation. He said that we should wait for the official report from the Dutch investigation committee. He also referred to an unofficial report, which he got presented and which concludes that the airliner may have been shot by a rocket, launched from the direction of Ukraine-controlled territory. According to that report, the trajectory of the rocket went through the tail part of the plane.

http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2059874

Also, and undisclosed informant seems to have turned up, laying claim to the £30 million bounty, placed by Germany for information on the shoot-down:
http://russian.rt.com/article/98528
legendary
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US can solve all the trouble with the data release. Or maybe hiding it because what happened would land everybody in a bugger trouble.

It would not land everyone in trouble. But it will definitely create issues for the United States. The MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, which was probably given to the junta forces by the Americans or their allies. The Americans will be forced to give compensation to the victims, if the truth comes out. So for them, it will be better if they hide the data.
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I have long suspected this. Also, the media has suddenly gone silent over the MH17 incident. Earlier also, there were indications such as these:

1. No missile plumes
2. Bullet holes on the wreckage
3. US not releasing the satellite data.

US can solve all the trouble with the data release. Or maybe hiding it because what happened would land everybody in a bugger trouble.
legendary
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About the above investigation:

BUK Manufacturer Almaz-Antey Investigation: MH17 was shot down by Ukraine BUK Missile

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Russian defence contractor and BUK launch system manufacturer Almaz-Antey completed its own investigation into the MH17 downing in Ukraine in July, 2014. Ukraine denied the responsibility for the attack on the civilian plane en route from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, blaming intermittently the Donbass self-defence and Russia. Nearly 300 people died as a result of the tragedy.

The BUK manufacturer has released the results of its independent investigation, which show that the 9M38-M1 surface-to-air missile from the M1 BUK system was used to shoot down the plane. The missile was produced until the 1990s and Almaz factories discontinued it in 1999. The Almaz-Antey CEO Yan Novikov confirmed that M1 BUK missiles were not delivered to anyone in the 21st century. Moreover, the Russian Army has long retired these older missiles, having been equipped with the new generation weapons. However, M1 is precisely the kind of BUK that is abundant in today’s Ukrainian armed forces.

The Almaz-Antey investigation also confirms that the trajectory of the missile is consistent with the location which at the time of the shoot-down was under Ukrainian (aka, Kiev junta) control. The missile was shot from the neighborhood of the Zaroshchenskoe village, controlled at the time by Kiev. This means that the Donbass self-defence was telling the truth that they had nothing to do with the tragedy.

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To prove its findings in action, Almaz-Antey proposes a real-life demo reconstruction of the event. The CEO of Almaz also notes that two US satellites were flying above the sector of E. Ukraine in question during MH17 shoot-down; however, to this day US refused to release the footage in its possession.

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Western double standards: Almaz-Antey has been under EU and US sanctions since MH17 tragedy, based on Ukraine and USA’s accusation that Russia and Donbass self-defence shot down the Malaysian Airlines plane.

A commenter to the article nails it:

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No Black Box records released, no tapes from the ATC Tower, no photographs from official US intelligence sources. If Russia has really shot down MH17, the western shill MSM media would be screaming denunciations 24/7 based on the supposed evidence. Instead the USSA/’EU MSM rely upon controlled assets like bellingcrap to issue propaganda that can easily be officially denied after the truth finally emerges.

Read more + a video in English: https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/buk-manufacturer-almaz-antey-investigation-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine-buk-missile/
legendary
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This belongs here, for the record:

Almaz-Antey, missile manufacturer, is holding the press conference.

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09:49 GMT:

The character of the damage caused to the aircraft is consistent only with the BUK9M38 and BUK9M38-M1 missiles, if the BUK missiles are in question - Malyshevsky

09:46 GMT:

The BUK 9M317 missile type employed by the Russian Armed Forces is out of the question here, as the shape of the fragments does not match the damage caused to the aircraft - adviser to the head engineer Mikhail Malyshevsky

http://rt.com/news/264205-buk-manufacturer-mh17-ukraine/

They're also ready to carry out an experimental explosion to prove that Ukrainians are responsible for this tragedy.

They are claiming that the Buk M1 hit the Boeing aircraft, over the village of Zaroschshenskoe. This contradicts with the version given out by the Kiev junta. The junta have been claiming all along that the hit occurred near the town of Snezhnoe.

Here is the location of Zaroschshenskoe (Зарощенское):

https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=ru&pagename=%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5¶ms=47_59_18_N_38_26_46_E_scale:50000

https://www.google.com/maps?ll=47.988333,38.446111&spn=0.005,0.005&t=m&q=47.988333,38.446111(%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5)&hl=ru



Psaki Mk.II - Harf - said that USA will not be providing any additional information regarding downing of MH-17, despite Russia urging them to do so.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/04/harf/

Well, USA is once more reaffirming their guilt as a accessory to murder by their damning silence.
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